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05-21-2013, 11:04 PM
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Thanks a bunch Eggers. Glad to hear that he still has his speed and that you still have large expectations for him. Anyone else have any insight?

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Kovalchuk all fights and all shorthanded scores (2002-2013), new video

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Tell me about Clarkson

Hey guys, Leafs fan here. From what I've heard, it seems like Clarkson, if he leaves the Devils, will want to come to Toronto. I know a bit about Clarkson but would like to hear some Devils fans in-put.

From what I know he's very physical, is prone to stupid penalties, can put the puck in the net and loves to shoot almost to the point where he makes the wrong play often because of it.

Can you guys fill me in with more detail about Clarkson? Is he a 2nd line guy or a 3rd line guy? What type of players does he fit best with? Can he play both wings? How is he on the PP? In-front of the net type of guy? What does he need to succeed and what are his flaws and limitations? How much money/term would you say is not over-paying for him?

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Hey guys, Leafs fan here. From what I've heard, it seems like Clarkson, if he leaves the Devils, will want to come to Toronto. I know a bit about Clarkson but would like to hear some Devils fans in-put.

From what I know he's very physical, is prone to stupid penalties, can put the puck in the net and loves to shoot almost to the point where he makes the wrong play often because of it.

Can you guys fill me in with more detail about Clarkson? Is he a 2nd line guy or a 3rd line guy? What type of players does he fit best with? Can he play both wings? How is he on the PP? In-front of the net type of guy? What does he need to succeed and what are his flaws and limitations? How much money/term would you say is not over-paying for him?

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Ideally he is a 3rd line RW that can play the PP in front of the net.

he does not take THAT many bad penalties. I think that aspect is overblown by a lot of people. but it goes along with the fact that he has absolutely NO hockey smarts. none. literally, could possibly be the dumbest hockey player in the league.

he is physical but he hasnt been fighting much since he has been relied upon to score more. he shoots way too much, as you said, which isn't necessarily a good thing. he is also not a good defensive player whatsoever and tends to be somewhat of a puck hog. he is not very good at utilizing his linemates.

all that being said if given a third line/PP role he can still be a 20-25 goal scorer.

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Clarkson is one of the dumbest players hockey sense wise in the league. He doesn't fight anymore because he thinks he's a top liner now, and I don't think he knows that he's allowed to pass. He's a good garbage goal man that can also pick a corner every once in a while. Otherwise, he's pretty useless. Ideally, he's a third liner and a pp specialist

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Worst Hockey IQ on the team, one of the worst defensive forwards on the team. He normally scores in and around the net however he scared away from it towards the later part of the season.

One thing I hate about him is the constant complaining. Every single time he thinks there is supposed to be a call, he stops what he is doing and talking to the ref .

Will only be on the 2nd line if needed. Perfect 3rd liner. I think he wasnt as physical this year because he didnt want to be injured in a contract year

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Clarkson is one of the dumbest players hockey sense wise in the league. He doesn't fight anymore because he thinks he's a top liner now, and I don't think he knows that he's allowed to pass. He's a good garbage goal man that can also pick a corner every once in a while. Otherwise, he's pretty useless. Ideally, he's a third liner and a pp specialist
Perfectly said

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06-08-2013, 07:57 PM
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Do you think he would be a good fit as the RW on a line with Lupul & Kadri and being relied upon to do most of the dirty work getting good passes from Kadri but Lupul is the primary option? Kadri would generally be gaining the zone and dishing passes. That line was very good when Kulemin was there as the other winger to do a lot of the dirty work. If Clarkson replaced him on that line it would be relied on for a lot of offence and not so much defence.

What type of players should Clarkson be on a line with?

is 5-years 19M (3.8M AAV) a fair contract assuming he takes a small hometown discount?

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06-08-2013, 07:59 PM
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at 3.8 he will be returning to the Devils. He will get about 5 million plus in the open market

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TOP-TEN THINGS TO KNOW ABOUT DAVID CLARKSON

1) He falls down a lot

2) He's a deceptively talented fighter, but now that he thinks he's an Art Ross Trophy candidate, he doesn't fight anymore.

3) He has two offensive moves, and two offensive moves only:
Move a) Wrap-around
Move b) Toe-drag

4) He will shoot from the parking lot (of the practice rink arena).

5) He is physically incapable of passing, a born puck hog (GENUS: Sus SPECIES: Puckhogicus).

6) He seems like a genuinely nice young man.

7) On or off the ice, he is not a threat to cure cancer.

8) There are a handful of NHL GMs that seem to have a raging ***** in their pants for him.

9) He's always the last player off the ice and shoots a puck into the open net before games.

10) He once scored 30 goals in a season (and he will never do it again, and once he realizes that, he will be a very effective player again).

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TOP-TEN THINGS TO KNOW ABOUT DAVID CLARKSON

1) He falls down a lot

2) He's a deceptively talented fighter, but now that he thinks he's an Art Ross Trophy candidate, he doesn't fight anymore.

3) He has two offensive moves, and two offensive moves only:
Move a) Wrap-around
Move b) Toe-drag

4) He will shoot from the parking lot (of the practice rink arena).

5) He is physically incapable of passing, a born puck hog (GENUS: Sus SPECIES: Puckhogicus).

6) He seems like a genuinely nice young man.

7) On or off the ice, he is not a threat to cure cancer.

8) There are a handful of NHL GMs that seem to have a raging ***** in their pants for him.

9) He's always the last player off the ice and shoots a puck into the open net before games.

10) He once scored 30 goals in a season (and he will never do it again).
Add 11) He always goes backhand on a breakaway or penalty shot

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06-08-2013, 08:18 PM
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I just want to point out that if I went to the Leafs board and said something like "if Kessel leaves Toronto, he'd want to be a Devil" in his UFA year and then asked about what kind of player he was, I would probably not be very welcomed.

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Clarkson is one of the dumbest players hockey sense wise in the league. He doesn't fight anymore because he thinks he's a top liner now, and I don't think he knows that he's allowed to pass. He's a good garbage goal man that can also pick a corner every once in a while. Otherwise, he's pretty useless. Ideally, he's a third liner and a pp specialist
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TOP-TEN THINGS TO KNOW ABOUT DAVID CLARKSON

1) He falls down a lot

2) He's a deceptively talented fighter, but now that he thinks he's an Art Ross Trophy candidate, he doesn't fight anymore.

3) He has two offensive moves, and two offensive moves only:
Move a) Wrap-around
Move b) Toe-drag

4) He will shoot from the parking lot (of the practice rink arena).

5) He is physically incapable of passing, a born puck hog (GENUS: Sus SPECIES: Puckhogicus).

6) He seems like a genuinely nice young man.

7) On or off the ice, he is not a threat to cure cancer.

8) There are a handful of NHL GMs that seem to have a raging ***** in their pants for him.

9) He's always the last player off the ice and shoots a puck into the open net before games.

10) He once scored 30 goals in a season (and he will never do it again, and once he realizes that, he will be a very effective player again).
Pretty much. I appreciate him very much but he's not the player the media hypes him up to be.

If you want an incredibly loyal 3rd liner with little to no hockey sense but moderate shooting ability that doesn't really fight anymore, David Clarkson is your man.

He's worth $3.5-4M a year and not a dime more. But him and Lou are BFF's so many of us think he'll be back for more money than we'd prefer.

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06-08-2013, 08:31 PM
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I just want to point out that if I went to the Leafs board and said something like "if Kessel leaves Toronto, he'd want to be a Devil" in his UFA year and then asked about what kind of player he was, I would probably not be very welcomed.
Well, to be fair, if Kessel was a pending UFA and you were a Minnesota Wild fan who said "If Kessel doesn't re-sign in Toronto, I think he would want to come to Minnesota" most on the Leafs board wouldn't have a problem.

The only reason I think that after the Devils the Leafs would be a his first choice is because of how frequently the media talks about his love for Toronto.

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Wtf with the hostility? I hate the leafs but he didnt really do anything to warrant mistreatment.

Clarkson is only useful when he's in front of the net deflecting pucks or cycling down low and behind the net. He has no vision. When he should pass he shoots, when he shoots he should pass. He's a 3rd liner capable of 20+ goals a year in the right situation. If asked to he more than a 3rd liner(like he was last season) he changes his game to a more finess style which consits of ripping hopeless shots after hopeless shots. He needs to be in a 3rd line grinder type role to be the most effective he can be. I'd love him back, but if he asks for more than 5 you guys can take him.

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He's very good at cycling the puck, meaning he can skate it all around the offensive zone and not lose it off his stick, until he can get it back to the point. He shoots the puck a lot. From everywhere. This results in goals from sheer force of probability, even if no single goal looks probabilistically likely. These two traits are the reason he will get paid.

He can also sit in front of the net, but he's not really any better at doing that than anyone else with his size and build.

He's not particularly good at anything else.

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I still think it's kind of a dick move to come to a teams board, tell them about how one of their top players could leave, how he wants to join your team, and then ask to describe his game.

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at first I was annoyed about the presumptious window-shopping Leafs fans when it comes to Clarkson. so many of them are already including him in their mock lines for next year. but in reality, hes probably going to end up there so live and let live I guess. I dont remember much of that happening for Parise and minny but I dunno, I didnt look at forums much then

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at first I was annoyed about the presumptious window-shopping Leafs fans when it comes to Clarkson. so many of them are already including him in their mock lines for next year. but in reality, hes probably going to end up there so live and let live I guess. I dont remember much of that happening for Parise and minny but I dunno, I didnt look at forums much then
I think he'll be back, but we'll pay more than we'd like.

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Clarkson is an excellent 3rd liner, the problem is he needs to stay out of the top 6 but that isn't his fault

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Clarkson is an excellent 3rd liner, the problem is he needs to stay out of the top 6 but that isn't his fault
yeah hes a bottom 6 on a team that has maybe 3ish legit top 6 players

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Your not getting him hes ours, go back to Toronto and dont worry about it. We're already in the works of locking him back up before he hits the market.

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Lol at Leafs fans thinking it's a lock to sign him. I understand being curious. But this is something you do AFTER your team signed him.

Not that I even care if he returns or not. Jus' sayin.

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Your not getting him hes ours, go back to Toronto and dont worry about it. We're already in the works of locking him back up before he hits the market.
I wouldnt go that far....

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He's very good at cycling the puck, meaning he can skate it all around the offensive zone and not lose it off his stick, until he can get it back to the point. He shoots the puck a lot. From everywhere. This results in goals from sheer force of probability, even if no single goal looks probabilistically likely. These two traits are the reason he will get paid.

He can also sit in front of the net, but he's not really any better at doing that than anyone else with his size and build.

He's not particularly good at anything else.
More like this.

Good puck handler, will throw the toe drag here and there, smart on the boards, a born agitator, can deflect pucks too. He just needs to settle down and stay on his role, he was on pace for a Maurice Richard candidate and forced himself to play as one towards the end of the season, shooting from almost everywhere and refusing to play physical as others suggested. He'll be a great pickup for a 3-3,5M range contract. 3rd liner who can help on a scoring line, but he's not at his best there.

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Do you think he would be a good fit as the RW on a line with Lupul & Kadri and being relied upon to do most of the dirty work getting good passes from Kadri but Lupul is the primary option? Kadri would generally be gaining the zone and dishing passes. That line was very good when Kulemin was there as the other winger to do a lot of the dirty work. If Clarkson replaced him on that line it would be relied on for a lot of offence and not so much defence.

What type of players should Clarkson be on a line with?
I think everyone in here has nailed his style of play on the head. I don't think he'd be a good fit with Lupul and Kadri for a lot of the reasons already mentioned. He really should be on the third line and since he's a bit of a puck hog (the guy really cannot pass) that would take away a lot of Kadri's game. He'd probably best be suited with, say, McClement and Frattin/MacArthur. Guys like that.

As far as term: Ideally I think it would be $4 million but he's going to get a lot more from someone.

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