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Jake Gardiner for 7th overall pick (EDM)

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06-09-2013, 06:40 PM
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It's interesting. I think I'd do it if Monahan or Lindholm are still on the board, which I imagine one of them will be.
And I think the only way the Oilers do it is if those guys aren`t avaiable.

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Value is spot on but it would come down to who was sitting at 7th spot, would Oilers pass up on a center for a future number 2 dman. Very tempting though.

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So we trade Gardiner for the 7th pick in the draft hoping that we can pick up somebody with as much potential as.....Gardiner. Um, no, no, no. To repeat, no, no, no.

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06-09-2013, 06:54 PM
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And I think the only way the Oilers do it is if those guys aren`t avaiable.
Haha, exactly.

Won't happen. I don't even think Gards is the type of D-man you're looking for.

I love Gardiner, so I won't be too upset if we keep him.

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06-09-2013, 07:17 PM
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So we trade Gardiner for the 7th pick in the draft hoping that we can pick up somebody with as much potential as.....Gardiner. Um, no, no, no. To repeat, no, no, no.
Not so much. We trade from a position of relative strength to address a position of relative weakness.

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Not so much. We trade from a position of relative strength to address a position of relative weakness.
I would not call our D a "relative strength" I mean we have a lot of potential but funny thing about potential it is not 100% guaranteed.

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Value is there, but should the Leafs trade a young dman who finally is coming into his own for a young forward that will likely need a couple seasons to mature? I think the Leafs are more interested in adding experienced players to this team

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06-09-2013, 07:25 PM
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I would not call our D a "relative strength" I mean we have a lot of potential but funny thing about potential it is not 100% guaranteed.
Nothing is 100% gauranteed. We have enough D that can play NHL shifts coupled with quite a few decent prospects and one dynamite one. How are we looking for top 2 line forwards going forward? We have tons of excellent 3/4 line guys.

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06-09-2013, 08:04 PM
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To be fair, Gagner has been the poster boy for Edmonton's recent failures. Cogliano has been great for Anaheim, the Oilers couldn't wait to get rid of him.

Losing makes everyone look bad and you should know this as a Leafs fan.
Cogliano just needed to be put into the right role.

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1. Edmonton just hired Dallas Eakins (developed Gardiner)
2. Edmonton has Justin Schultz (Gardiner's college teammate)
3. Edmonton is looking for a top pairing young defenceman

Gardiner was tremendous in the playoffs and has shown that he can be a top pairing defenceman. He is still only 22 years old and would fit in perfectly with the young core of the Edmonton Oilers. Now that Eakins is in Edmonton and the Maple Leafs are in a situation where they can/should make a big move to add a top notch young centre, this seems to be one of those situations that could potentially be a good fit.
I know TML fans will be upset but the Oilers say no very quick to this . Gardiner is worth the 7th , that is not the issue . We have enough d men coming thru our system , what we do not have is centre men . Maybe this works if the centre men are gone , but i think Mact will trade back and try and grab another centre and another first for our 7th . Maybe the CBJ will give up 2 of their first for our then maybe we can grab 2 centre men . Mac T has alway ready said he is drafting a centre man . I think you will find most Oilers fan agree we need more help at centre . TML fans are going have to find their centre somewhere else we need them too .

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No thank you.

All I hear is oiler fans tooting Gagner's horn. If he is so good, keep him.
All I hear is Leafs fans tooting Gardiner's horn. If he is so good, keep him.

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Not so much. We trade from a position of relative strength to address a position of relative weakness.
Of the Top 10 in GA, only 2 didn't make the 2nd round.

Of the Top 10 in GF, only 3 did make the 2nd round.

What is the Leaf's position of relative strength again?

Toronto - 6th overall in GF
Toronto - 18th overall in GA

But let's keep trying to trade quality defencemen for the potential of more offence.

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1. Edmonton just hired Dallas Eakins (developed Gardiner)
2. Edmonton has Justin Schultz (Gardiner's college teammate)
3. Edmonton is looking for a top pairing young defenceman

Gardiner was tremendous in the playoffs and has shown that he can be a top pairing defenceman. He is still only 22 years old and would fit in perfectly with the young core of the Edmonton Oilers. Now that Eakins is in Edmonton and the Maple Leafs are in a situation where they can/should make a big move to add a top notch young centre, this seems to be one of those situations that could potentially be a good fit.
When did he develop Gardiner? Gardiner made the team out of camp last year and made the all rookie team before ever playing for Eakins.

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He's 22.
And Gagner was 22 last year and yet Leafs fans think he is worthless and garbage . Funny thing is you can not have it both ways .

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06-09-2013, 08:27 PM
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Not quite enough I think, also Gardiner isn't really what the Oilers need. I just think Nurse is a better option for them, as is Ristolainen. Gardiner might be able to return a top 10 pick but I dont think this is the year.

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Which is what Im sorry? a promising D with one good year and one bad year? That is not very proven at all. Potential wise that D and Gardiner would be the same
Sorry, but where is this bad year? He had a great rookie year, then got hurt and took time to heal. Come playoff time he played amazing against the team in the Stanley cup playoffs. The team who swept the cup favourites.

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Pens fan. I think it's an interesting offer, for sure. At the end of the day, I just don't see why the Leafs would trade an asset for futures at this point in their rebuild. The seventh overall is by no means a sure-fire roster player. It's a big risk. Definitely think it's a quality proposal, though, and worth some thought by both team's GMs.

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06-09-2013, 08:45 PM
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To Edm
Jake Gardiner
Joe Colborne
Tyler Biggs
21st overall

To Tor
Sam Gagner
7th overall
Jones
Teubert

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06-09-2013, 08:46 PM
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How about Eakins, Komiserak and a Real Sports franchise for the new arena?

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I think Nonis would wait until draft day to make this trade. If Monahan and Lindholm are gone by 7 then there's no need to make a trade.

I feel that EDM doesn't want more "down the road" players. They're tired of being at that position and could use an NHL ready player. Gardiner fits that bill perfectly. He's still very young but has had enough seasoning/exposure to make an impact right now. Plus he'd be joining his former college line mate Justin Schultz.

I feel the Oilers need defense more than offense and that's why I see this deal happening.

Either way I'd be happy if we simply kept Gardiner.

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To Edm
Jake Gardiner
Joe Colborne
Tyler Biggs
21st overall

To Tor
Sam Gagner
7th overall
Jones
Teubert
Why would the Oilers do this? The OP's isn't enough already..

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Gross deal for the Leafs unless they're looking to go backwards...

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All I hear is Leafs fans tooting Gardiner's horn. If he is so good, keep him.
The Leafs have no need to trade Jake Gardiner, he is a player to keep for many years to come. No player is not untouchable, but it would take something really good for the Leafs to consider moving Gardiner for the right player/package.

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Not so much. We trade from a position of relative strength to address a position of relative weakness.
If that was the thinking then why not trade Gardiner for a young forward instead of a draft pick.

I don't understand the idea of getting rid of an NHL ready defensemen with value like that to pick up a draft pick unless you're getting a true franchise player with that pick (which we won't). That only makes sense if the leafs were scrapping the current setup and doing a rebuild.

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Value is there, but should the Leafs trade a young dman who finally is coming into his own for a young forward that will likely need a couple seasons to mature? I think the Leafs are more interested in adding experienced players to this team
Exactly.

The leafs don't need to stock up on draft picks because were done rebuilding. Heck, we finally made the playoffs!!

We have a very young core and now we have to be patient. I wouldn't trade Gardiner for a pick unless it was top 3, because those top 3 players seem NHL ready, and Gards is definitely NHL ready.

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