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06-08-2013, 03:33 PM
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Wonder if they'd consider moving it for one of our defenseman that we can't possibly afford (either Coburn or Mez), and a pick in a later round to balance it out.

I'd count on the Sabres drafting a center.
Hodgson, Ennis, grigorenko , girgenson, ....another center?

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Hodgson, Ennis, grigorenko , girgenson, ....another center?
I'm not sure Ennis isn't better suited to play wing.

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06-08-2013, 11:20 PM
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Yep. That's why in my opinion picking an offense only d man is a bad idea. If we were staying with that system? Sure

But chances are lavi is gone next year
I did not advocate a offense only defenseman.
Just a defenseman with offensive skills, something few of our defenseman possess.
Timmonen will retire, what will we do then ???

Even if Lavi is gone, a defenseman who can move the puck or run a power play is still useful.

And if we managed to find a #1 defenseman, it will help us to stop dwelling on what
a healthy Chris Pronger could have brought to the Flyers.

It is my position that our porous defense is our achilles' heel.
Until this is addressed we can not reach our goal.

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06-09-2013, 12:52 AM
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I did not advocate a offense only defenseman.
Just a defenseman with offensive skills, something few of our defenseman possess.
Timmonen will retire, what will we do then ???
The point that you are missing is that regardless of what defensemen we draft, the hole left by Timmonen is still going to be there and no draft pick will be there to address that short term gap. NO defenseman, including Seth Jones, will be second highest scoring defenseman in the NHL in two years. Whoever we we select is very likely 4-5 seasons from being a true difference maker.

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Hodgson, Ennis, grigorenko , girgenson, ....another center?
Hodgson stinks, Ennis is a winger, so, yes.

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06-09-2013, 08:51 AM
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Are the people saying that the Sabres won't draft a center because they have too many the same people saying the Flyers should draft a center if he is BPA even though they have a ton centers? If so, just curious why the Sabres wouldn't/shouldn't go BPA but the Flyers would/should.

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Hodgson, Ennis, grigorenko , girgenson, ....another center?
Ennis isn't even on the radar, Hodgson is atrocious defensively, Grigorenko and Girgenson will both be in the NHL next year, so... yea, they could use another center prospect in case one of those players doesn't pan out.

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the pick is getting traded for Eminger so it don't matter

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The point that you are missing is that regardless of what defensemen we draft, the hole left by Timmonen is still going to be there and no draft pick will be there to address that short term gap. NO defenseman, including Seth Jones, will be second highest scoring defenseman in the NHL in two years. Whoever we we select is very likely 4-5 seasons from being a true difference maker.
I am hoping it does not take 4-5 years to develop a defenseman.
But, I have posted before that we need to draft defenseman and trade for atleast one to replace Timmo.
I know this drafted defenseman would be at best a 3rd pairing guy the first year if he played at all.
Our defense is not a one player fix away, it is atleast 2 players short at this point.
And I really do not want a 30+ year old bandaid like Streit.
If needed we could try trade our #11 pick+ for a top defenseman.


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If needed we could trade our #11 pick+ for a top defenseman.
going to cost much more than that, we would have to overpay

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going to cost much more than that, we would have to overpay
I'm beginning to wonder how many people understand that the only way were getting a #1 defenseman is if we draft one.

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Guys who is better: Pulock or Morrissey?

Been at least 5 minutes since this was debated and I wanted to see if anything changed.




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Guys who is better: Pulock or Morrissey?

Been at least 5 minutes since this was debated and I wanted to see if anything changed.




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Guys who is better: Pulock or Morrissey?

Been at least 5 minutes since this was debated and I wanted to see if anything changed.




Kill me now.
I like this debate, lets talk about it for another 25 posts or more.

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going to cost much more than that, we would have to overpay
How much? I am willing.
This defense is unwatchable.

To get a #1 defenseman, which we will never draft
it would be worth overpaying.


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I'm beginning to wonder how many people understand that the only way were getting a #1 defenseman is if we draft one.
We do not draft defensemen in the early in the first round.
So we will not draft a #1 defenseman.
The only thing we might draft is a decent PMD in 2nd or later round.

We had a chance to draft a #1 defenseman but chose Couturier instead.

Since our pick is at #11 we are not likely to draft one anytime soon.
So I guess we will try once again to win with a mediocre defense.

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We do not draft defensemen in the early in the first round.
So we will not draft a #1 defenseman.
The only thing we might draft is a decent PMD in 2nd or later round.

We had a chance to draft a #1 defenseman but chose Couturier instead.

Since our pick is at #11 we are not likely to draft one anytime soon.
So I guess we will try once again to win with a mediocre defense.
Hamilton is a long way away from #1 at this point. Couturier has more of a defensive impact here than Hamilton does in Boston.

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I like this debate, lets talk about it for another 25 posts or more.
Personally, I prefer 90+ posts of the same thing over and over again.

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Hamilton is a long way away from #1 at this point. Couturier has more of a defensive impact here than Hamilton does in Boston.
He might not be a #1 at this point.
But, he is better than what we have defensively.
And he is 2 years into his development.
He is not a rookie, like whoever we draft this year defensively.

Here we are 2 years later trying to figure out how to get a #1 defenseman.
The answer was simple, draft Hamilton instead of Couturier.
We would be 2 years further along in replacing Timmonen.

Instead we will sign an old Streit. Why???
Because we prefer to overpay for our defensive talent, instead of drafting it.


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I'd rather have Couturier than Hamilton.

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We do not draft defensemen in the early in the first round.
So we will not draft a #1 defenseman.
The only thing we might draft is a decent PMD in 2nd or later round.
This statement is simply not correct. The Flyers don't draft early in the first round, period. It is not an aversion to drafting defensemen early, it is the fact that they just don't pick early. They have drafted three times in the top ten since 2000. They took Pitkanen, JvR, and Couturier. Hard to argue that drafting a defenseman one third of the time that they pick in the top ten as not drafting defensemen early. Not to mention looking at the draft year with JvR there were absolutely no defensemen worthy of the number two pick.

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We had a chance to draft a #1 defenseman but chose Couturier instead.
I wanted Hamilton at the time, but I don't really think you can argue with drafting Couturier at this point. Maybe personal preference, but at this point I think Couturier has shown more than Hamilton, and I feel their ceilings are about the same.

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Since our pick is at #11 we are not likely to draft one anytime soon.
So I guess we will try once again to win with a mediocre defense.
Once again, the fact that they are picking #11 does not and will not preclude them from taking a defensemen. It doesn't guarantee they will, but to say they won't because the Flyers "do not draft defenseman early in the first round" is just inaccurate.

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06-09-2013, 08:17 PM
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IMO what we have is a core of six really good young players that need to be here for the long haul which includes Giroux, Couts, Voracek, Simmonds and both Schenns. The only way any one of those players should be traded is for a #1 defenseman, not a good compliment to a number one defenseman. If the opportunity arises to get a number one defenseman like Pietrangelo or someone else like that, a guy like Couts should obviously be available in a package close to what we gave for Pronger. So Couts + Coburn+ 2 Firsts.

But for players of Yandle's stature our offers should start with players like Read and Laughton. If we are trading our best players for someone who does not fill our need then it is just pointless. We would be better off going after free agents that we do not have to give up any assets for. It seems to make more sense to go after a guy like Streit and pay him 5.5 mil a year than to trade couts + picks for Yandle and pay him 5.25 mil a year. Yes Yandle or someone similar is probably better offensively than Streit but it will make our team worse overall if we are losing Couts plus picks

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06-09-2013, 09:37 PM
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This statement is simply not correct. The Flyers don't draft early in the first round, period. It is not an aversion to drafting defensemen early, it is the fact that they just don't pick early. They have drafted three times in the top ten since 2000. They took Pitkanen, JvR, and Couturier. Hard to argue that drafting a defenseman one third of the time that they pick in the top ten as not drafting defensemen early. Not to mention looking at the draft year with JvR there were absolutely no defensemen worthy of the number two pick.

I wanted Hamilton at the time, but I don't really think you can argue with drafting Couturier at this point. Maybe personal preference, but at this point I think Couturier has shown more than Hamilton, and I feel their ceilings are about the same.

Once again, the fact that they are picking #11 does not and will not preclude them from taking a defensemen. It doesn't guarantee they will, but to say they won't because the Flyers "do not draft defenseman early in the first round" is just inaccurate.
I understand they only had 3 picks in top 10 in last 11 years.
Of the 11--1st round picks in last 12 years, 8 were forwards and 3
were defensemen.
In fact one year we had 2 first rounders, and both were center picks.
Overall its a 80% chance they draft a center, it is stupid.
We could actually draft a defender, its about a 20% chance as I see it.

I am sure there were other highly rated defensemen that
we could have picked by moving down a bit in the draft
instead of taking JVR. Kane was concensus #1 pick, we should have
used the 2nd pick to trade for #1 defenseman, or traded down.

We needed much Hamilton more, its a draft failure by Holmgren again!
Couturier is at this point a 3rd line center, Hamilton is a potential #1 defenseman.

The Flyers could draft a defenseman at #11 , but more likely
a center/forward will slip and they will draft him instead.
Only 3 defenseman picks in first round in last 12 years,
not likely to change this year, IMHO.

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its a draft failure by Holmgren again!


This is completely ridiculous on so many levels.

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