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Typical Sather. A meeting they could have knocked out in two hours in a JHS cafeteria in Queens the day after Torts was fired somehow becomes this week long excursion to a 100-degree weather environment in SoCal.

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After a tip from @ian_mendes, Sure sounds like Alain Vigneault is on his way to Palm Springs to talk to NYR brass. #coachonaplane

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Should've gotten Jim Nils. Oh well.

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The select few around here who have had the dispeasure of paying attention to the Sabres the last five seasons can attest to the criminal nature Ruff handled his players -- notably his skilled ones.

Forget the public feuds -- **** happens. Ruff found a way to make his entire top-6 tune him out, and the Miller situation is a whole another mess.

What's endearing about Ruff? His jokes? Why not hire Don Rickles then. He'll probably be less insulting to the players than Ruff or Torts have been over their careers.

Players are notorious for having off years under Ruff. One on, one off. One on, one off. That's not coaching. Find me a key player who had an off year under Keenan or Arbour or Bowman or Burns that wasnt related to injury.

Ruff is like Barry Trotz. Massively overrated simply because the ownership never had the sack to ****-can a guy they felt was "nice".

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Rhetorical question here.

Is everyone completely happy with the drafting this team has seen over the last 10 years?

I mean, we do have some very solid players, but still lacking that one legit 1st liner or that offensive catalyst on D seems concerning.

Also, the passivity that permeates most, not all, the drafted players I find alarming.

I guess the real question I have is, what role did and does Gorton have with regards to the players we target at the Drafts?

I see people talk about Gorton's role is how the Bruins look today and think to myself that we are a long ways off from being as physically stubborn as they are. Talent match up may be even, but they have a group of players that get after the game and don't give a frickin inch.

We are nothing like that. So if Gorton has had a big hand in formulating this current team, then I'm not sure I trust him as the GM of this team. Seems like we are going to see more of the same passive personalities getting drafted.

I'd hate that.

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hope he blows the interview.

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Rhetorical question here.

Is everyone completely happy with the drafting this team has seen over the last 10 years?
Completely? No. But I am definitely happy with the drafting post-lockout.

And that was definitely not a rhetorical question.

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Rhetorical question here.

Is everyone completely happy with the drafting this team has seen over the last 10 years?

I mean, we do have some very solid players, but still lacking that one legit 1st liner or that offensive catalyst on D seems concerning.

Also, the passivity that permeates most, not all, the drafted players I find alarming.

I guess the real question I have is, what role did and does Gorton have with regards to the players we target at the Drafts?

I see people talk about Gorton's role is how the Bruins look today and think to myself that we are a long ways off from being as physically stubborn as they are. Talent match up may be even, but they have a group of players that get after the game and don't give a frickin inch.

We are nothing like that. So if Gorton has had a big hand in formulating this current team, then I'm not sure I trust him as the GM of this team. Seems like we are going to see more of the same passive personalities getting drafted.

I'd hate that.
I agree, it should be better than what it is, but is Miller/MCI really passive players? IDK about that.... not being star material doesn't automatically make you passive.

Lately I have not had too many problems with who/why they drafted said player. One BIG one that I didn't agree with, but for the most part that is still playing out.

Again, the reason we go back years here is not to whine about prospects past, but to show how those results still affect the organization in big ways.

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Rhetorical question here.

Is everyone completely happy with the drafting this team has seen over the last 10 years?

I mean, we do have some very solid players, but still lacking that one legit 1st liner or that offensive catalyst on D seems concerning.

Also, the passivity that permeates most, not all, the drafted players I find alarming.

I guess the real question I have is, what role did and does Gorton have with regards to the players we target at the Drafts?

I see people talk about Gorton's role is how the Bruins look today and think to myself that we are a long ways off from being as physically stubborn as they are. Talent match up may be even, but they have a group of players that get after the game and don't give a frickin inch.

We are nothing like that. So if Gorton has had a big hand in formulating this current team, then I'm not sure I trust him as the GM of this team. Seems like we are going to see more of the same passive personalities getting drafted.

I'd hate that.

It's a great question.

I think that we went so long without having homegrown talent that the drafts of the mid 2000s were refreshing and might have skewed our perspective on some level. We managed to draft nice pieces to the point where a Nash deal was possible.

They have become more willing to include draft picks in trades (to get Erixon, to get Clowe, etc)

But of late, it seems there's been a fall off to what the Rangers can reach down forMcIlrath has been correctly brought along slowly. Christian Thomas and Ryan Bourque are players who for some reason seem to be flawed.

The fact that there is no fourth liner they can bring up is a concern and they don't, hence the Benn Ferrieros, Brandon Mashinters, Michael Haleys, Kris Newburys and Brandon Segals of the world. And that the Rangers keeps signing the Boogaards, Rupps, Ashams, et al.

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I'm sick and tired of these mother-fricken coaches on this mother-fricken plane

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The fact that there is no fourth liner they can bring up is a concern and they don't, hence the Benn Ferrieros, Brandon Mashinters, Michael Haleys, Kris Newburys and Brandon Segals of the world. And that the Rangers keeps signing the Boogaards, Rupps, Ashams, et al.
Good point. Our depth can barely feed the bottom lines. Brandon Prust, a player who would go through walls for the NYR's was 'too expensive' yet we used that money we saved on his pricetag for what exactly? Haley(headcase), Segal(who are you again?), and Pyatt(serviceable at best) ? Money not well spent.

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Considering how horrendous Ranger drafting was from before the lockout dating all the way back to Smiths 2nd or 3rd year, its obviously been a huge improvement.

But it could still be better.

I understand the "build from the net out" and/or BPA philosophies, but one way or another they need to draft another top line offensive player.

But for the most part I have been happy.

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Good point. Our depth can barely feed the bottom lines. Brandon Prust, a player who would go through walls for the NYR's was 'too expensive' yet we used that money we saved on his pricetag for what exactly? Haley(headcase), Segal(who are you again?), and Pyatt(serviceable at best) ? Money not well spent.
I think Haley and Segal were more for Hartford than NY, and don't really affect the salary cap, but you have a point with Pyatt.

Also why they probably wanted Dorsett in the Gaborik deal. When he's 100% he can be a similar type of player, a tough 3rd liner who stirs things up and makes stuff happen, but he also has to watch the dumb penalties.

I'm OK with the drafting, but some surefire top line forwards would be nice...

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Good point. Our depth can barely feed the bottom lines. Brandon Prust, a player who would go through walls for the NYR's was 'too expensive' yet we used that money we saved on his pricetag for what exactly? Haley(headcase), Segal(who are you again?), and Pyatt(serviceable at best) ? Money not well spent.
Can you explain that?

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Good point. Our depth can barely feed the bottom lines. Brandon Prust, a player who would go through walls for the NYR's was 'too expensive'
And somehow Prust was an one-of-a-kind irreplaceable player.

Pierre McGuire kept talking about how the Bruins were killing the Rangers on the fourth line. I think that was a bit of a nit as the Bruins were killing the Rangers across the board, to me. But look at that fourth line. Is there a unique player on their fourth line? Not to me.

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Rhetorical question here.

Is everyone completely happy with the drafting this team has seen over the last 10 years?

I mean, we do have some very solid players, but still lacking that one legit 1st liner or that offensive catalyst on D seems concerning.

Also, the passivity that permeates most, not all, the drafted players I find alarming.

I guess the real question I have is, what role did and does Gorton have with regards to the players we target at the Drafts?

I see people talk about Gorton's role is how the Bruins look today and think to myself that we are a long ways off from being as physically stubborn as they are. Talent match up may be even, but they have a group of players that get after the game and don't give a frickin inch.

We are nothing like that. So if Gorton has had a big hand in formulating this current team, then I'm not sure I trust him as the GM of this team. Seems like we are going to see more of the same passive personalities getting drafted.

I'd hate that.
What?

McIlrath, Miller, Kreider aren't small or soft. Let's give them more then a half season to develop in the NHL before damning them as "passive personalities".

Gorton was responsible for bringing to Boston Chara, Rask, Lucic, Marchand, Seguin, Hamilton...

You would be the only one not feeling comfortable with Gorton.

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And somehow Prust was an one-of-a-kind irreplaceable player.

Pierre McGuire kept talking about how the Bruins were killing the Rangers on the fourth line. I think that was a bit of a nit as the Bruins were killing the Rangers across the board, to me. But look at that fourth line. Is there a unique player on their fourth line? Not to me.
There wasn't a unique player on the Devils 4th line last year either and they absolutely killed us.

Just put together and keep together a line with some size and that can skate and tell them to throw everything at the net.

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There wasn't a unique player on the Devils 4th line last year either and they absolutely killed us.

Just put together and keep together a line with some size and that can skate and tell them to throw everything at the net.
Fair point.

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Can you explain that?
Yeah, I think he's a headcase, not that his play is much better, but his head worries me. There was already something this season he was upset about, not being called up or something.

Just my opinion. I look at the players who represent the best of this team and he doesn't seem to fit with that, and that's all I'm gonna say about the matter.

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And somehow Prust was an one-of-a-kind irreplaceable player.

Pierre McGuire kept talking about how the Bruins were killing the Rangers on the fourth line. I think that was a bit of a nit as the Bruins were killing the Rangers across the board, to me. But look at that fourth line. Is there a unique player on their fourth line? Not to me.
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There wasn't a unique player on the Devils 4th line last year either and they absolutely killed us.

Just put together and keep together a line with some size and that can skate and tell them to throw everything at the net.
Bruins and Devs lower lines were scorers or pests in their junior days. They have skill to play the game in more than one area.

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Typical Sather. A meeting they could have knocked out in two hours in a JHS cafeteria in Queens the day after Torts was fired somehow becomes this week long excursion to a 100-degree weather environment in SoCal.
They do this every year, it's the organizational meetings they do prior to the draft. Might as well discuss everything when you can get input from everyone in your front office.

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Rhetorical question here.

Is everyone completely happy with the drafting this team has seen over the last 10 years?

I mean, we do have some very solid players, but still lacking that one legit 1st liner or that offensive catalyst on D seems concerning.

Also, the passivity that permeates most, not all, the drafted players I find alarming.

I guess the real question I have is, what role did and does Gorton have with regards to the players we target at the Drafts?

I see people talk about Gorton's role is how the Bruins look today and think to myself that we are a long ways off from being as physically stubborn as they are. Talent match up may be even, but they have a group of players that get after the game and don't give a frickin inch.

We are nothing like that. So if Gorton has had a big hand in formulating this current team, then I'm not sure I trust him as the GM of this team. Seems like we are going to see more of the same passive personalities getting drafted.

I'd hate that.
From 1994 - 2003, the Rangers drafted a total of three forwards who hit the 50-point mark -- Savard, York and Prucha.

From 2004-2008, the Rangers have drafted three forwards who hit the 50-point mark -- Callahan, Dubinsky and Stepan (safe to say Stepan would have hit 50 in a full season in '13)

They were able to trade for Nash because organizations coveted their draft picks.

They've been one of the better teams at drafting the last 8 or 9 years. No question.

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They do this every year, it's the organizational meetings they do prior to the draft. Might as well discuss everything when you can get input from everyone in your front office.
And they need to go to Cali to do this?


That's my point.

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And they need to go to Cali to do this?


That's my point.
Sather has a home there, what does it matter?

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Seems like we are going to see more of the same passive personalities getting drafted.

I'd hate that.
Wrong thing to hate. You've got to tank in order to get those you would like. If we were a last team yet scred up the draft, then you may hold it against whoever you think is at fault.
The only one to hate is Dolan who has never allowed Rangers to go PIT or CHI ways.

My prediction is Sullivan, BTW. The fact he wasn't let go points out in my direction. Safest of all choices, it will allow Sather to keep things afloat. Everyone knows Sather is not after SC, just after his job. He is not stepping down, no way!.

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