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06-09-2013, 10:32 PM
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I remember when we were praised on the Shawn Belle and Marek Schwarz picks. Even the so called draft experts aren't experts.

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I watched that draft on TSN, and I have to say I wasn't to thrilled with the second of silence from the analysts when Schmaltz' name was called, followed by the "right off the board" comment from one of them. I also read a post stating that Schmaltz was not only non-physical, he actually shied away from physical contact, a report that really alarmed me. I didn't like the pick then, and I still don't like it. I posted my views and got a little torched, oh well. I agree I am not an expert and the Blues management are. I just think Schmaltz could have been available in the 2nd round and it was a bit of a waste of a pick. I sincerely hope I am proven wrong.
I still don't like the pick either. I am just hoping I am wrong about Jordan.

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I still don't like the pick either. I am just hoping I am wrong about Jordan.
He played well in the USHL he just hasn't performed in college. He's had more good years than he has bad years. He'll bounce back.

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He played well in the USHL he just hasn't performed in college. He's had more good years than he has bad years. He'll bounce back.
Jordan Schmaltz was an offensive-oriented defenceman in The USHL, who has good offensive instincts. He is very tall, but his body needs to fill out. He needs to get a lot stronger. he needs to learn to use his body much better. He needs to learn defensive positioning, and get a lot better at defending, especially in his own end. In his college freshman/rookie season, he was working on his defence. He got mostly rookie minutes, plus some Power Play time, mostly during the 2nd half of the season.

Reports on him were that he has been getting better in his own end, and has also contributed more on offence, as the year went on. That's all that can be asked of him at this point in his career. He was always known to be a "project". He shouldn't have been expected to score a lot of points or play a lot of minutes and be an "all star" in his freshman year.

I believe that he is improving decently, and is right on target in his development. Let's see how he's doing in his junior year. Then, after that, he'll still need, possibly, another year in college, and/or a year or two in The AHL. I wouldn't expect him to be able to help The Blues, significantly, until he's 24 years old. Until then, I wouldn't worry about him being a "bust". Not only does he have the offensive instincts, but he's 6 ft. 3 inches tall. That means that he'll likely fill out to at least 200 lb. If so, EVEN if he's not a physical defenceman, as a good skater, with some size, he should be able to, at least, hold his own in his own end (3rd defensive shift, with slide up potential to 2nd pairing), plus Power Play quarterback specialisation. That sounds like a decent draft pick to me.

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Jordan Schmaltz was an offensive-oriented defenceman in The USHL, who has good offensive instincts. He is very tall, but his body needs to fill out. He needs to get a lot stronger. he needs to learn to use his body much better. He needs to learn defensive positioning, and get a lot better at defending, especially in his own end. In his college freshman/rookie season, he was working on his defence. He got mostly rookie minutes, plus some Power Play time, mostly during the 2nd half of the season.

Reports on him were that he has been getting better in his own end, and has also contributed more on offence, as the year went on. That's all that can be asked of him at this point in his career. He was always known to be a "project". He shouldn't have been expected to score a lot of points or play a lot of minutes and be an "all star" in his freshman year.

I believe that he is improving decently, and is right on target in his development. Let's see how he's doing in his junior year. Then, after that, he'll still need, possibly, another year in college, and/or a year or two in The AHL. I wouldn't expect him to be able to help The Blues, significantly, until he's 24 years old. Until then, I wouldn't worry about him being a "bust". Not only does he have the offensive instincts, but he's 6 ft. 3 inches tall. That means that he'll likely fill out to at least 200 lb. If so, EVEN if he's not a physical defenceman, as a good skater, with some size, he should be able to, at least, hold his own in his own end (3rd defensive shift, with slide up potential to 2nd pairing), plus Power Play quarterback specialisation. That sounds like a decent draft pick to me.
The only thing is that I still didn't see a need for the pick at the time. There was a more glaring hole in the offensive side of things and even though Tarasenko and Schwartz were present, as well as Rattie and Jaskin, providing the system with a developmental dman made little sense IMO. Taking a safe CHL player like Gaunce or Samuelsson would have fixed our pipeline at center and would have provided a solid playmaking prospect.

And I really didn't get the Kurker pick either. I think taking two developmental prospects is very redundant, and IMO, stupid. The blues will have to wait about 4 years for each of the first 2 picks, and even the first 3 with maceachern to make a difference. Just doesnt make sense when players like pearson were left on the board. He came right over after 1 season since being drafted.

it boggles my mind that the blues first 4 picks- Schmaltz, Kurker, maceachern, and parayko are all in college and at least 3 years away.

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The only thing is that I still didn't see a need for the pick at the time. There was a more glaring hole in the offensive side of things and even though Tarasenko and Schwartz were present, as well as Rattie and Jaskin, providing the system with a developmental dman made little sense IMO. Taking a safe CHL player like Gaunce or Samuelsson would have fixed our pipeline at center and would have provided a solid playmaking prospect.

And I really didn't get the Kurker pick either. I think taking two developmental prospects is very redundant, and IMO, stupid. The blues will have to wait about 4 years for each of the first 2 picks, and even the first 3 with maceachern to make a difference. Just doesnt make sense when players like pearson were left on the board. He came right over after 1 season since being drafted.

it boggles my mind that the blues first 4 picks- Schmaltz, Kurker, maceachern, and parayko are all in college and at least 3 years away.
I just don't understand any of these criticisms. You take the best player available, there is no exceptions to that. You don't pick a player because he might be ready in 2 years instead of 3 and you don't pick a player because you don't have many players in that position within your organisation.

If we want a centre then we pay the price to move up to a position where the BPA is a centre we rate. None of us know if we attempted to do that or not.

As for the players being 3+ years away... considering the current make up of the Blues team and prospects then that has actually worked out well.

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I remember when we were praised on the Shawn Belle and Marek Schwarz picks. Even the so called draft experts aren't experts.
Jaden Schwartz was considered a reach in 2010.

Obviously the jury is still out on him to judge, but I think he's looking like a very strong pick. The potential and work ethic he has is just too much for him to bust. He'll at least be another Oshie type two-way forward.

Basically what I'm trying to say is a lot of times the Blues do go off the board with their picks (Oshie is another example) but a lot of times they tend to work out. I think we have good scouting.


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The only thing is that I still didn't see a need for the pick at the time. There was a more glaring hole in the offensive side of things and even though Tarasenko and Schwartz were present, as well as Rattie and Jaskin, providing the system with a developmental dman made little sense IMO. Taking a safe CHL player like Gaunce or Samuelsson would have fixed our pipeline at center and would have provided a solid playmaking prospect.

And I really didn't get the Kurker pick either. I think taking two developmental prospects is very redundant, and IMO, stupid. The blues will have to wait about 4 years for each of the first 2 picks, and even the first 3 with maceachern to make a difference. Just doesnt make sense when players like pearson were left on the board. He came right over after 1 season since being drafted.

it boggles my mind that the blues first 4 picks- Schmaltz, Kurker, maceachern, and parayko are all in college and at least 3 years away.
Thats a good thing, Id rather actually develop our prospects then rush them to the NHL. We arent desperate for them to make an impact right away so whats the rush. You dont draft players based on how soon they will play in the NHL, you draft based on who will help your franchise out most in the long run.

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Jaden Schwartz was considered a reach in 2010.

Obviously the jury is still out on him to judge, but I think he's looking like a very strong pick. The potential and work ethic he has is just too much for him to bust. He'll at least be another Oshie type two-way forward.

Basically what I'm trying to say is a lot of times the Blues do go off the board with their picks (Oshie is another example) but a lot of times they tend to work out. I think we have good scouting.
That's right, he was suppose to be a late 1st. Our scouting went from one of the worst to one of the best after Jarmo came here. Sure there have been some blunders like trading back for Eller when we could have had Couture or passing on Stastny, they've earned my trust on whatever reach or project they want.

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I just don't understand any of these criticisms. You take the best player available, there is no exceptions to that. You don't pick a player because he might be ready in 2 years instead of 3 and you don't pick a player because you don't have many players in that position within your organisation.

If we want a centre then we pay the price to move up to a position where the BPA is a centre we rate. None of us know if we attempted to do that or not.

As for the players being 3+ years away... considering the current make up of the Blues team and prospects then that has actually worked out well.
There were people disappointed that the Blues took Pietrangelo because he was considered the farthest of the top few picks from being ready to contribute.

I totally agree....you take the best player available. Period.

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There were people disappointed that the Blues took Pietrangelo because he was considered the farthest of the top few picks from being ready to contribute.

I totally agree....you take the best player available. Period.
I remember really wanting Bogosian, but then he went 3rd, so at #4 I was very happy with Petro. I really wanted his offensive upside over Schenn pretty easily.

However I gotta admit, the first couple years after drafting him I thought he would take long to development and didn't think he'd do that well in the NHL and would have considered trading him.

Well thank God I'm not a GM. Obviously we all know what happened, he turned out great and EJ was the one shipped off which was a tremendous move to make at the exact right time.

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Thats a good thing, Id rather actually develop our prospects then rush them to the NHL. We arent desperate for them to make an impact right away so whats the rush. You dont draft players based on how soon they will play in the NHL, you draft based on who will help your franchise out most in the long run.
I'm right there with you. I never want to rush anyone. I would have liked more players that would take 2 years or so, like most CHL players. It's no lie that college players take longer. Players were available in both the 1st and 2nd round last year that only would take 2 years or so. Not 3-4.

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I'm right there with you. I never want to rush anyone. I would have liked more players that would take 2 years or so, like most CHL players. It's no lie that college players take longer. Players were available in both the 1st and 2nd round last year that only would take 2 years or so. Not 3-4.
They also had very limited upside. We have depth in the NHL and in the prospect pool to take riskier, higher reward picks. You don't win by continually taking safe picks.

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They also had very limited upside. We have depth in the NHL and in the prospect pool to take riskier, higher reward picks. You don't win by continually taking safe picks.
But you don't win either by using all 4 of the first picks on them.

You need balance between the two.

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But you don't win either by using all 4 of the first picks on them.

You need balance between the two.
When you have as much depth as we have in both the NHL and with our prospects, you can take as many risks as you want.

Just like in stocks, the more you diversify, the more you succeed. Since we had multiple picks in the first few rounds to go along with the depth, the risk was minimized. Maybe 1 or 2 make it, but if one is a boom, it is a hell of a lot better than taking a safe pick who ends up being a 3rd/4th liner or a bottom-pairing dman.

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For those that have seen a fair amount of Joel Edmundson, I'm curious if he would project favorably to someone like Johnny Boychuk? I would love if he could develop into a really solid top 4 defenseman that brings a huge shot and a mean streak. I was really impressed with Boychuk's game in the playoffs and feel like the Blues lack that intimidation on the blue line that guys like Chara and Boychuk bring. He just nailed Sharp in Game 3 or 4 of the finals and really threw off Sharpe the rest of the game. It seems like Edmundson is the one legit prospect in the system that has some of those aforementioned traits and maybe his offensive game could blossom in the minors like Boychuk's.

Fair comparison or no?

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I remember when we were praised on the Shawn Belle and Marek Schwarz picks. Even the so called draft experts aren't experts.
You just never know when drafting 18 year old kids. I long for the Halycon days when the NHL drafted 20 year olds instead, 2 more years of maturity and bodies filling out etc...

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You just never know when drafting 18 year old kids. I long for the Halycon days when the NHL drafted 20 year olds instead, 2 more years of maturity and bodies filling out etc...
You and me both... Still think they need to make a draft age of 20 with an exception of a player drafted at 18 if and only if a top 10 pick and must play and stay on the NHL team's current roster.

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For those that have seen a fair amount of Joel Edmundson, I'm curious if he would project favorably to someone like Johnny Boychuk? I would love if he could develop into a really solid top 4 defenseman that brings a huge shot and a mean streak. I was really impressed with Boychuk's game in the playoffs and feel like the Blues lack that intimidation on the blue line that guys like Chara and Boychuk bring. He just nailed Sharp in Game 3 or 4 of the finals and really threw off Sharpe the rest of the game. It seems like Edmundson is the one legit prospect in the system that has some of those aforementioned traits and maybe his offensive game could blossom in the minors like Boychuk's.

Fair comparison or no?
They are obviously different players, but I can see those characteristics in Edmundson. I do think Edmundson has more of an attacking/loose playing style (in terms of positioning), while Boychuk has more strategically implemented, hostile aggression (in terms of physicality). Mind you, some of those differences could be due to age and experience.

I think, like Boychuk, Edmundson will take till the last third of his career to become a top 4, if he reaches his potential.

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Have I missed anything, or is there just no news on which prospects we are going to be bringing back for next season?

Quite a number of guys have their contracts up (Fairchild, Grachev, McRae, Sonne, Karpowich), but haven't heard anything.

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Have I missed anything, or is there just no news on which prospects we are going to be bringing back for next season?

Quite a number of guys have their contracts up (Fairchild, Grachev, McRae, Sonne, Karpowich), but haven't heard anything.
I have not heard anything, but of those guys the only locks, IMO, should be Fairchild and Karp.

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I have not heard anything, but of those guys the only locks, IMO, should be Fairchild and Karp.
Not sure even Karpowich fits in. Not very good in the ECHL or AHL last season, and hes already 24.

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Is Tesink turning pro this season?

EDIT: also Edmundson?

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as a follow up to my last post, i guess i don't fully understand what the rules are for junior players being eligible to play in the AHL. for example, why were Walters and Veilleux able to play a few games for Peoria last year and does that mean they'll be in Chicago or back with their junior teams this season?

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