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Would you trade Jake Gardiner for Sean Monahan/Elias Lindholm?

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06-11-2013, 12:00 AM
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He can't even score PPG in junior and you think he will be and you think he has #1C potential?
Few players score PPG in the NHL. If you can get about ~60 points while going against the oppositions top line night in night out while PKing you are one of the best centers in the league in my books. There is a reason I said if all of his offense translates, he would need all/most of it in order to become a #1.

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I'd rather look at moving our 21st pick to fill any lineup vacancies, than lose Gardiner.

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He can't even score PPG in junior and you think he will be and you think he has #1C potential?
Horvat may not be a future #1C in the sense that Anze Kopitar is a #1C.

He'll be a lot closer to Ryan O'Reilly and O'Reilly is definitely a #1C on quite a few teams.

They are different types of #1 centres.

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Well you're on HFBoards.com, so...
herp derp, those rankings never get it right.

For example they rated Kreider as a much better prospect than kadri.

Needless to say, Kadri is a high end NHL player, while kreider can't even crack 0.5ppg in the AHL.

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Horvat may not be a future #1C in the sense that Anze Kopitar is a #1C.

He'll be a lot closer to Ryan O'Reilly and O'Reilly is definitely a #1C on quite a few teams.

They are different types of #1 centres.
We call those bottom dwellers.

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06-11-2013, 12:04 AM
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herp derp, those rankings never get it right.

For example they rated Kreider as a much better prospect than kadri.

Needless to say, Kadri is a high end NHL player, while kreider can't even crack 0.5ppg in the AHL.
all this time I thought HF stood for hockey forum, not hockey's future.

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herp derp, those rankings never get it right.

For example they rated Kreider as a much better prospect than kadri.

Needless to say, Kadri is a high end NHL player, while kreider can't even crack 0.5ppg in the AHL.
I noticed that too. Plus they bumped up Kadri from 7.5 C to 8.0 B when he went on rampage mode during the regular season.

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06-11-2013, 12:07 AM
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Disproven? You really don't get it do you? I didn't say Gardiner was miles ahead, but I know why you did. This is what happens when one doesn't know how to respond with reason and intelligence. They make a statement, attribute it to someone, then call them stupid. Look up the following words for me.

Straw man, adult
Is there a discussion here? I do recognize backtracking and passive aggressive posting when confronted with a contradiction a poster(you) is trapped by their own illogical response.

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herp derp, those rankings never get it right.

For example they rated Kreider as a much better prospect than kadri.

Needless to say, Kadri is a high end NHL player, while kreider can't even crack 0.5ppg in the AHL.
That's not the context in which I used the HF rating system.

If I tell you that Prospect A is a 8.5B prospect, it gives you an idea of what kind of potential the player has. The player not reaching that potential does not completely discredit the rating system. It's a tool to express how good a player can be in the future without having to post the scouting report and expecting people that aren't so familiar with these player to have to come to a reasonably accurate idea of what the value of the prospect should be.

Monahan and Lindholm are both #1C potential guys with plenty of pedigree and a track record.

You have to shift assets from the blue line to the centre position.

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I noticed that too. Plus they bumped up Kadri from 7.5 C to 8.0 B when he went on rampage mode during the regular season.
7.0c is the new 5.b

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Is there a discussion here? I do recognize backtracking and passive aggressive posting when confronted with a contradiction a poster is trapped by their own illogic.
Does this ever work or are you one of those "are we there yet" kids? You literally got caught up in your own web of dictionary.com ad-lib

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Playoffs.

GP G. A. Pts. Pims
15 4 31 35 24

That's a special playoff run. Wanna take a guess at who's numbers those were?
Chris Didomenico. Special player, eh?

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That's not the context in which I used the HF rating system.

If I tell you that Prospect A is a 8.5B prospect, it gives you an idea of what kind of potential the player has. The player not reaching that potential does not completely discredit the rating system. It's a tool to express how good a player can be in the future without having to post the scouting report and expecting people that aren't so familiar with these player to have to come to a reasonably accurate idea of what the value of the prospect should be.

Monahan and Lindholm are both #1C potential guys with plenty of pedigree and a track record.

You have to shift assets from the blue line to the centre position.
Why do we need to do that?

In the playoffs, it was not our offense that held us back.

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06-11-2013, 12:12 AM
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We call those bottom dwellers.
O'Reilly was Colorado's most valuable forward.

Better than Matt Duchene, Gabriel Landeskog and Paul Stastny.

Oh... O'Reilly's also younger than Jake Gardiner.

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O'Reilly was Colorado's most valuable forward.

Better than Matt Duchene, Gabriel Landeskog and Paul Stastny.

Oh... O'Reilly's also younger than Jake Gardiner.
well, if O'Reilly is your best player, its no wonder they finished last in the division.

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06-11-2013, 12:14 AM
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We need more depth at centre than at the defense position, but you can never have enough studs in the making. In the future, having both Gardiner and Rielly on the same team will be a threat and I want to be able to see that. That is the kind of defensive depth that wins cups.

Kadri to me can be our #1 C. He's really surprised me this year and he has lots more time to prove himself. He has so much pure skill. Another guy I like is Colborne. He may be taking long to develop but I feel he dug himself a hole in his development. This year I finally saw what he's all about. He's big, strong, fast, uses his body to separate the man from the puck, has good vision, and plays very well with with guys like Frattin. He'd be better suited on our 3rd line but I wouldn't be surprised if he cracked our 2nd line soon.

I'd only trade Gardiner for 7th if Lindholm is available.

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1 year to me isn't going to make me lose sleep or cry over it. Instead of trying to sway us with your opinion, you started this thread to get your answer. Leaf Nation has spoken. Let's keep our cool and not go insane about this.


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O'Reilly was Colorado's most valuable forward.
Not this season.

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O'Reilly was Colorado's most valuable forward.

Better than Matt Duchene, Gabriel Landeskog and Paul Stastny.

Oh... O'Reilly's also younger than Jake Gardiner.
Not really, he's currently their #3C, probably #4C if they draft Mac.

Avs fans aren't certain what their going to do with him but I'd imagine they would ship him out if their going with Duchene/Mac.

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Does this ever work or are you one of those "are we there yet" kids? You literally got caught up in your own web of dictionary.com ad-lib
Deflection is not your greatest talents.

Here's what you said,
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Sure, why not. Lets trade Kadri for Nurse too. Can never trade enough guys who are NHL'ers for guys who might be.
By the way, I never said you compared Gardiner to Monahan, don't know where you hallucinated this.

But what you said above is clear, want another chance to elaborate? Wouldn't trade a "might be" like Jones for a proven NHL player, in this case Franson.

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Why do we need to do that?

In the playoffs, it was not our offense that held us back.
Yep, it was those players that were -3 in 6 games playing 3rd line opponents who held us back

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If you think Gardiner is miles ahead of Horvat or Monahan in talent, you know little of the game. Gardiner is still very much an unfinished player that can go either way. Ignore his up and mostly down season last year?

I am not interested in swaying your opinion, it does not matter to me, I was merely pointing to a faulty argument you tried to portray. Jones is unproven, has he played a NHL game? Some were saying Erik Johnson and comparing him to this player.

No your argument was weak to begin with, thus disproven.
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Deflection is not your greatest talents.

Here's what you said,

By the way, I never said you compared Gardiner to Monahan, don't know where you hallucinated this.

But what you said above is clear, want another chance to elaborate? Wouldn't trade a "might be" like Jones for a proven NHL player, in this case Franson.
Uh...ya you did. By the way, deflection is all you've done with me. I posted a thought as to why we shouldn't trade now talent for later talent, and you started with the Franson-jones, and followed it up with that. Seriously, I do halluciate. For a while I thought you weren't 12. Sobering isn't it

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Not really, he's currently their #3C, probably #4C if they draft Mac.

Avs fans aren't certain what their going to do with him but I'd imagine they would ship him out if their going with Duchene/Mac.
Last season, prior to his contract debacle, he was by far their most valuable forward.

Played ridiculous minutes on the PK and was their best penalty killer.

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It's fascinating how distraught some are that we aren't near a lottery pick. Almost as if they're in it for the trades and drafts.

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Yep, it was those players that were -3 in 6 games playing 3rd line opponents who held us back
It was also losing 70% of the draws because we don't have a legit two-way centre.

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