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06-11-2013, 05:33 AM
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can i ask where this Di Pietro trade scenario came from? Did someone link him with the habs, or sheer nonsense?
I vote for this.

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can i ask where this Di Pietro trade scenario came from? Did someone link him with the habs, or sheer nonsense?
go read bak those pages plz!!

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I still can't believe some people want to deal for this guy...

"Dustin Byfuglien reportedly weighed 302 pounds by the end of the 2013 campaign, according to Jets blogger Pete Tessier.
Byfuglien's fitness levels have been a common source of criticism in the past and it may be hurting his trade value in any potential deals down the road. Coach Claude Noel referred to Byfuglien's play as "up and down" late in the season and if the Jets want to maximize his value then he will have improve his fitness and get more consistent."

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Plekanec + 2nd (MTL) for Bobby Ryan is something I could get behind!
Pass, Ryan is overrated and Plekanec is underrated.

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06-11-2013, 06:58 AM
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I still can't believe some people want to deal for this guy...

"Dustin Byfuglien reportedly weighed 302 pounds by the end of the 2013 campaign, according to Jets blogger Pete Tessier.
Byfuglien's fitness levels have been a common source of criticism in the past and it may be hurting his trade value in any potential deals down the road. Coach Claude Noel referred to Byfuglien's play as "up and down" late in the season and if the Jets want to maximize his value then he will have improve his fitness and get more consistent."
Some people just take MOAR BIGGER to the extremes. It's a shame he can't deal with it very well, he's a good hockey player. Honestly though, I can't imagine how you could gain that much weight as a professional hockey player.

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06-11-2013, 07:46 AM
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Pass, Ryan is overrated and Plekanec is underrated.
Bobby Ryan is far from overrated...

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I still can't believe some people want to deal for this guy...

"Dustin Byfuglien reportedly weighed 302 pounds by the end of the 2013 campaign, according to Jets blogger Pete Tessier.
Byfuglien's fitness levels have been a common source of criticism in the past and it may be hurting his trade value in any potential deals down the road. Coach Claude Noel referred to Byfuglien's play as "up and down" late in the season and if the Jets want to maximize his value then he will have improve his fitness and get more consistent."
If he stayed in shape consistently he would be a beast, maybe one of the best D in the league. Unfortunately if he hasn't figured that part of the game out at this point, he never will.

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06-11-2013, 08:34 AM
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Some people just take MOAR BIGGER to the extremes. It's a shame he can't deal with it very well, he's a good hockey player. Honestly though, I can't imagine how you could gain that much weight as a professional hockey player.
Big Butt Buf ate Enstrom.

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Big Butt Buf ate Enstrom.
Say goodbye to Desharnais, Gionta, Bouillon, Gallagher and Dumont. This was your plan all along it seems.....

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About buy-outs, there will be more than you think as the SCap is going down and some teams (Flyers, Vancouver, Boston, etc.) will have to take some measures to stay under the cap.
Some are already in trouble, others will be with upcoming contracts (RFA).
For example: Rask is probably going to get 6-7M and Boston has 5.8M is SCap (after loosing Jagr, Horton, Ference).
Rumor is that Bryz is going to be bought. It is either him or Brière.

Interesting Summer.
Looking at the numbers, I'm quite sure that the Flyers would buy out Briere long before Bryz. Briere's cap hit is high for what he brings now and there's only two years left on his deal. His buyout money would be 3.3M (total!) over 4 years. Bryz is 23M over 14 years.

The Flyers are stuck for the next 1-2 years, after that, the cap will go up. Easy solution: buy out Briere, get 6.5 back in cap hit and it cost only 3.3M total.

Bryz term is ridiculous agreed, but he's a proven goaltender and his cap hit is not that bad. You still need a goalie anyway. Help him with some defense and see what happens.

That's what I mean when I say we can forget about these 10-20M buyouts. Most teams have an underperforming player with little money owed. These will go long before the big contracts.

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Looking at the numbers, I'm quite sure that the Flyers would buy out Briere long before Bryz. Briere's cap hit is high for what he brings now and there's only two years left on his deal. His buyout money would be 3.3M (total!) over 4 years. Bryz is 23M over 14 years.

The Flyers are stuck for the next 1-2 years, after that, the cap will go up. Easy solution: buy out Briere, get 6.5 back in cap hit and it cost only 3.3M total.

Bryz term is ridiculous agreed, but he's a proven goaltender and his cap hit is not that bad. You still need a goalie anyway. Help him with some defense and see what happens.

That's what I mean when I say we can forget about these 10-20M buyouts. Most teams have an underperforming player with little money owed. These will go long before the big contracts.
As exciting as they may be to follow, Holmgren and Sather really screw with a lot of teams and the salary balance in the NHL with the contracts they give out. Obviously there are more examples but these two really grind my gears.

Who gives Bryz that kind of term or money? Ridiculous.

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can i ask where this Di Pietro trade scenario came from? Did someone link him with the habs, or sheer nonsense?
http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/opin...spiration.html

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Bobby Ryan is far from overrated...
He is because...

1-he's been in rumors for the last 5 years and people see him as a big young guy so he must be great.

2-his production/numbers get a sizeable bump from playing with Getzlaf and Perry usually. When he isn't on their line he's a 50-55 point guy(+- a few points).

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06-11-2013, 10:19 AM
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If he stayed in shape consistently he would be a beast, maybe one of the best D in the league. Unfortunately if he hasn't figured that part of the game out at this point, he never will.
He would also need to upgrade his defensive game. He has a lot of size and skill but his overall production falls way short.

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Looking at the numbers, I'm quite sure that the Flyers would buy out Briere long before Bryz. Briere's cap hit is high for what he brings now and there's only two years left on his deal. His buyout money would be 3.3M (total!) over 4 years. Bryz is 23M over 14 years.

The Flyers are stuck for the next 1-2 years, after that, the cap will go up. Easy solution: buy out Briere, get 6.5 back in cap hit and it cost only 3.3M total.

Bryz term is ridiculous agreed, but he's a proven goaltender and his cap hit is not that bad. You still need a goalie anyway. Help him with some defense and see what happens.

That's what I mean when I say we can forget about these 10-20M buyouts. Most teams have an underperforming player with little money owed. These will go long before the big contracts.
Briere to me is a no brainer. Bryzgalov would surprise me but sort of wouldn't. Maybe their best option with Bryz is some kind of trade for another bad contract(Fleury?).

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As exciting as they may be to follow, Holmgren and Sather really screw with a lot of teams and the salary balance in the NHL with the contracts they give out. Obviously there are more examples but these two really grind my gears.

Who gives Bryz that kind of term or money? Ridiculous.
Holmgren to me is massively overrated on here. Most of Phillie's big assets were there before he arrived and he's not shown he can take them to the next level. He's shown "balls" with a few deals, but as a GM brains beats balls all week and twice on Sundays.

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Flyers still have two compliance buy-outs.
In that case, no SCap impact for the team, just for the league SCap.

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He is because...

1-he's been in rumors for the last 5 years and people see him as a big young guy so he must be great.

2-his production/numbers get a sizeable bump from playing with Getzlaf and Perry usually. When he isn't on their line he's a 50-55 point guy(+- a few points).
Ryan doesn't even play on the top line for your info, he plays on the 2nd line with Selanne and Koivu

I don't think he's overrated, far from it. And the reason they would move him is probably because of the 2 big contracts they just handed to Perry and Getzlaf

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Brian Gionta + David Desharnais + 2nd pick

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Bobby Ryan

Pacioretty - Plekanec - Ryan
Galchenyuk - Eller - Gallagher
Prust - Koivu (UFA) - Bourque

Everything ends well

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Brian Gionta + David Desharnais + 2nd pick

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Bobby Ryan

Pacioretty - Plekanec - Ryan
Galchenyuk - Eller - Gallagher
Prust - Koivu (UFA) - Bourque

Everything ends well
At the end of the day the Ducks are better off keeping Ryan and signing Koivu

Doubt this intrigues them

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Say goodbye to Desharnais, Gionta, Bouillon, Gallagher and Dumont. This was your plan all along it seems.....
Gallagher would put up too much of a fight. He can eat the others and take their cap hit with them. I actually like Boullion and 7th dman and Dumont as 14th F.

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I still can't believe some people want to deal for this guy...

"Dustin Byfuglien reportedly weighed 302 pounds by the end of the 2013 campaign, according to Jets blogger Pete Tessier.
Byfuglien's fitness levels have been a common source of criticism in the past and it may be hurting his trade value in any potential deals down the road. Coach Claude Noel referred to Byfuglien's play as "up and down" late in the season and if the Jets want to maximize his value then he will have improve his fitness and get more consistent."
Really? He had 81 points in 109 games last 2 seasons playing D against high quality QoC, good skater for size, good playoff history, while having this fitness issue. Now imagine if someone fixes that flaw - which happens to be much feasible to solve than teaching a player how to actually play the game.

We have people defending and wanting to keep centers who had 88 points in 129 games playing sheltered C against low quality Qoc, average skater for size, poor playoff history, while having size/strength versatility issues.

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Brian Gionta + David Desharnais + 2nd pick

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Bobby Ryan

Pacioretty - Plekanec - Ryan
Galchenyuk - Eller - Gallagher
Prust - Koivu (UFA) - Bourque

Everything ends well
When did Mike Milbury take over as GM for the Ducks!?

This is a great deal, if you're a Habs fan. It's a kick to the d1ck if you're a Ducks fan.

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Really? He had 81 points in 109 games last 2 seasons playing D against high quality QoC, good skater for size, good playoff history, while having this fitness issue. Now imagine if someone fixes that flaw - which happens to be much feasible to solve than teaching a player how to actually play the game.

We have people defending and wanting to keep centers who had 88 points in 129 games playing sheltered C against low quality Qoc, average skater for size, poor playoff history, while having size/strength versatility issues.
Man Byfuglien would be great. Though I have a feeling that he would be such a polarizing figure here. We all know how much the Montreal media loves to run with stories regarding a player's character. The weight issue, his supposed attitude issues and laziness would be taken up as narrative so quickly by our media the moment he falters.

He's a very unique player in this league. I don't know why the Jets would want to move him, but if they are willing, the Habs should be all ears. Dudley brought him to Atlanta

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Hmm Stalberg seems to be scratched for Game One of the Finals. I see him moving on from Chicago in the summer, but do we want a guy that was scratched in the most important games?

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First piece of business that MB needs to take care of is Carey Price. If he actually wants out of Mtl, then we need to maximize the return. If not, then he is our goalie and we need to get a top notch goalie coach. If we do have to trade him I would call Florida first to try to wrangle the 2nd pick and make the deal larger to get Gudbranson and Matthias. We could add Diaz or Gorges and Kristo or a 2nd. We would then have to trade for Mike Smiths rights from Phoenix. Deal DD and Diaz for a 2nd and his rights. Our future centers would be MacKinnon, Galchenyuk and Eller once Pleks deal is up. Trade a third for Bickells rights if Chicago can't sign him.

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Hmm Stalberg seems to be scratched for Game One of the Finals. I see him moving on from Chicago in the summer, but do we want a guy that was scratched in the most important games?
He is young, fast and has size, but their board has said he has done nothing in the playoffs this year...

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