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06-11-2013, 08:57 AM
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Right here. Wonderful idea. Subban proves he's worth a good sized contract, Habs fans win.

What I want to know is where are the people who wanted a 10-12 year deal for Carey Price before the last CBA expired.

In a proven results versus potential debate, put me on the results side of the argument.
WHOA WHOA WHOA. Who said this? Please quote so I can laugh and laugh. Look at all the 10-year contracts that have worked out for goalies and their teams (Luongo? DiPietro? Bueller? Bueller?)

Seriously, anyone who wanted Price to sign a 10+ term contract is simply nuts. Even i, one of the biggest of Price fanboys could see that would be ridiculous, regardless of the cap hit.

People seriously need to wake the **** up.

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Taking risks and managing your players/contracts is also part of the job. Ideally, you sign up your young players to cheaper long term deals just before they prove their full worth.
Tell that to the Oilers, who fired their GM very recently...(Hall 7 years/42 million, Eberle 6 years/36 million)

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They are holding firm that the bridge contract is the only reason Subban showed up. He needed to impress to get paid for his next contract...

I will never buy that reasoning. PK has proven, to me at least, that he is a cut above the rest and will continue to improve, because HE WANTS TOO!
I buy it. Although I also buy that PK is a competitor and probably pays just as well if he were paid 10 million or 1 million per year.

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Congrats on PK!!!


(imo he was a superstar as soon as he joined our Habs).







p.s.: I still laugh at those who can't give credit to Subban (ex: mad/angry/bitter Gorges who played crappy D this season)...and many still say ''PK Subann still has a lot to learn from Markov...'' (Markov this, Markov that... yet Markov never ever came close to winning the Norris and never ever did anything for our Habs during the playoffs.... would love to magically remove Markov and add another PK Subban to our lineup...we'd have the best top 4 in the NHL IF we somehow added another PK Subban, but there's only one PK).
Habs fans are the greatest. Your memories are all very short (most of you). Markov was the best defenseman to come out of the Montreal system since like Eric Desjardins or maybe Patrice Brisebois.

Markov never won the Norris because in the time-frame of his prime years, Norris went to Lidstrom almost every year and then he was injured when it went to Chara, Karlsson, etc.

But keep on thinking that Markov's terrible. POs he hasn't played as well (especially recently, but injuries...) but he's still a top 10 defenseman in the NHL, along with PK Subban.

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Just thinking back at some of the ridiculous comments made about Subban before the year started is making me giggle a bit.

I remember when people were saying Subban + 3rd overall (Galchenyuk) wouldn't be enough to get the 1st overall (Yakupov) - fun stuff
LOL people are hilarious. Price should get a 10+ year term contract. Subban + 3rd isn't enough to get 1st overall.

People need to learn how to project player's development and their histories like professionals. Oh wait, this is HF Boards...what am i saying

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He's no Erik Karlsson.
Like people have said before, Erik Karlsson is no PK Subban.

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Nah. At the moment, most of us hate the Pens more than the habs. I suspect that will change in October.
I'm not going to lie, I hate the Bruins...more specifically Chara, Lucic, and Marchand. However, would I love to have every single one of those guys on the Habs? Abso-****ing-lutely.

What's even more impressing is the Bruins front office. What Chiarelli has done in 7 years there is nothing short of amazing. In 5 years there he made a Cup winning team. He made some great trades/signings (Chara, Kessel, Ryder, Recchi, Horton, Rask, etc.), he drafted well (Kessel, Lucic, Marchand (all in 2006), Seguin) and they won a cup and are contending for another this year.

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Subban is the Joffrey (Game of Thrones) of HFboards
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I see him as a pre-chopped hand Jaime Lannister. Smug, confident the best at what he does. Furthermore nobody respects him as proven constantly by everyone calling him kingslayer and also cause of his wealth. Joffrey is just a whinny little b***h.
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I meant hatred wise. No one really hates Jamie (I don't think) but so many people hate Joffrey, although there is cause for it.

side note: Arya is going to be bad ass!
Crosby is King Joffrey. PK Subban should be Tyrion Lannister (instead of dwarf, he's an odd-man out black athlete in a mostly white athlete sport who excels at what he does despite of it).

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Plekanec is a competent centre. He's not someone that should be grouped as part of a "mess".

OTOH, Desharnais was disappointing especially after he signed his new deal. He needs to be better if the habs want to boast 3 balanced lines next year.

Plekanec-Deharnais might look mediocre, but plekanec-desharnais-eller looks better. Their strength at centre is in the depth.

Shore up the 3rd pairing/defensive depth, and try to get a top 6 winger who can take some load off of gionta. Its time to start that transition.
3rd pairing is fine. It's our top 4 that needs work. Right now, Gorges and Emelin are in our top 4. Emelin i'm fine with, but Gorges? I don't think he's a top 4 guy (fringe top 4, more suited for our 3rd pairing). Problem is, Tinordi and Diaz are great for our 3rd pairing. IMO, we should trade gorges and a pick for a solid two-way defenseman to play with Emelin/Markov.

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If be surprised if he signs for under $6 million. I'm think right around what Price got ($6.5 million).
I'd be suprised if he signs for under $7 mil/year. I'm thinking he either signs 7 years/49 million or 8 years/56 million. There is absolutely no chance in PK regressing, so let's do it.

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06-11-2013, 10:14 AM
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If Gallagher won the Calder, would that have been leaked by now too? Or am I just assuming too much?

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06-11-2013, 10:19 AM
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If Gallagher won the Calder, would that have been leaked by now too? Or am I just assuming too much?
Total wild ass guess here, P.K's connection to Sportsnet through his analyst gig may have given Kypper the heads up, after which he corroborated with people in Montreal and NY.

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Total wild ass guess here, P.K's connection to Sportsnet through his analyst gig may have given Kypper the heads up, after which he corroborated with people in Montreal and NY.
Should never had been leaked...

Anyhow, can't wait for next season, when PK gets a full season to prove his talents...the main board is full of hate...
This is not going to be the last time he wins the Norris!!

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Perhaps P.K. Subban captures its essence best: “It’s not even the way it looks; it’s the history behind it, all the Cups. It’s unbelievable. That logo stands for more than just hockey, and it’s hard to find a logo around the NHL that has that, and there never will be one. Whether I’m there or when I’m dead and gone, it’s still going to be the Montreal Canadiens logo. I hope I can play my whole career there and live that.”
Subban on the Habs logo recently talking to Sportsnet

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What no one has commented on is arbitration. I assume that Subban has
arbitration rights when this "bridge" contract ends. I would love it if someone
corrected me on this, because the consequences could get ugly.

After one year on an arbitration award, Subban becomes an UNrestricted
free agent. He may already have decided to continue his career elsewhere.

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06-11-2013, 10:48 AM
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What no one has commented on is arbitration. I assume that Subban has
arbitration rights when this "bridge" contract ends. I would love it if someone
corrected me on this, because the consequences could get ugly.

After one year on an arbitration award, Subban becomes an UNrestricted
free agent. He may already have decided to continue his career elsewhere.
I know, Subban seems to be the guy who hates Montreal! He hates being popular! He hates his teammates! He even fights with them!


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I know, Subban seems to be the guy who hates Montreal! He hates being popular! He hates his teammates! He even fights with them!

I assume this is not sarcasm, but your honest opinion.

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I assume this is not sarcasm, but your honest opinion.
It was sarcasm. A reply to your previous post.

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It was sarcasm. A reply to your previous post.
There was no relationship between your post, and my previous post.

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There was no relationship between your post, and my previous post.
"He may already have decided to continue his career elsewhere."
Yes, there was. Your post was stupid.

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"He may already have decided to continue his career elsewhere."
Yes, there was. Your post was stupid.
It is possible that he failed to enjoy sitting out at the beginning of last
season.
And his agent may have noticed that it puts Subban in a position to
take a "bridge" contract of his own.



Just for your personal education, the word "may" in english is what's
known as a "qualifier". It doesn't mean something is the case. Only that
it is possible.

Because an arbitration award would take him all the way to unrestricted
free-agency, the habs have less than the usual bargaining power this time
around. No one else has mentioned this, so I thought I should raise the issue.

If that makes my post "stupid", you've set the bar pretty high.

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It is possible that he failed to enjoy sitting out at the beginning of last
season.
And his agent may have noticed that it puts Subban in a position to
take a "bridge" contract of his own.



Just for your personal education, the word "may" in english is what's
known as a "qualifier". It doesn't mean something is the case. Only that
it is possible.

Because an arbitration award would take him all the way to unrestricted
free-agency, the habs have less than the usual bargaining power this time
around. No one else has mentioned this, so I thought I should raise the issue.

If that makes my post "stupid", you've set the bar pretty high.
I know what the word "may" means. The possibility of thinking that Subban would have already decided to play somewhere else is stupid. I want real reasons why he would play somewhere else. Just because of sitting out at the beggining of the season is not one of them. Do you watch Habs games or you don't?

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I thought the word may referred to the month after April. Damn, what have I been doing wiht my life?!

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I know what the word "may" means. The possibility of thinking that Subban would have already decided to play somewhere else is stupid. I want real reasons why he would play somewhere else. Just because of sitting out at the beggining of the season is not one of them. Do you watch Habs games or you don't?
The "possibility of thinking" that you or I know what is in someone else's
mind, is also questionable.

Actually we don't know if sitting out at the beginning of the season is a
reason to Subban, or not. But most athletes hate sitting out. My opinion is
that Subban is in that group.

Yes I watch most hab games. I just don't want to be watching them while
Subban is playing for someone else's team. And nothing about watching the games
tells us anything, about any player's future plans. Many players have played well
for their team, and then chosen to leave as a free agent.


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What no one has commented on is arbitration. I assume that Subban has
arbitration rights when this "bridge" contract ends. I would love it if someone
corrected me on this, because the consequences could get ugly.

After one year on an arbitration award, Subban becomes an UNrestricted
free agent. He may already have decided to continue his career elsewhere.

Im pretty sure he's gonna be 26 years old.

So he would still be restricted.

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Im pretty sure he's gonna be 26 years old.

So he would still be restricted.
He turns 27 in May. Since this is before his contract expires, I suspect
that is the criteria. If someone knows otherwise, please inform us. That
would make this whole "panic attack" unnecessary.

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I thought the word may referred to the month after April. Damn, what have I been doing wiht my life?!
Notice I worked the word "May" as a month, into my previous post.

As to what you are doing with your life. Maybe posting on a hockey board,
instead of being on some patio, getting a good running start on the day's beer.

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Notice I worked the word "May" as a month, into my previous post.

As to what you are doing with your life. Maybe posting on a hockey board,
instead of being on some patio, getting a good running start on the day's beer.
That sounds a heck of a lot better than the dentist appointment I'm about to leave for

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What no one has commented on is arbitration. I assume that Subban has
arbitration rights when this "bridge" contract ends. I would love it if someone
corrected me on this, because the consequences could get ugly.

After one year on an arbitration award, Subban becomes an UNrestricted
free agent. He may already have decided to continue his career elsewhere.
You might want to read the posts above yours for future reference. In case you missed it:

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Perhaps P.K. Subban captures its essence best: ďItís not even the way it looks; itís the history behind it, all the Cups. Itís unbelievable. That logo stands for more than just hockey, and itís hard to find a logo around the NHL that has that, and there never will be one. Whether Iím there or when Iím dead and gone, itís still going to be the Montreal Canadiens logo. I hope I can play my whole career there and live that
There was no reason for him to make that statement. He could have said any number of positive things without saying that. Subban loves the city and the team. Will he play his whole career here? Nobody knows. Does it seem like he "may already have decided to continue his career elsewhere"? No. No, it really doesn't. I don't feel your post was as stupid as some others, but it definitely seems uninformed and out of the blue.

By the way, claiming that "may" is a qualifier and using it to validate your post is a bit of a cop out. You could say Subban may decide to retire at the age of 27 and go play golf. Sure, it is a possibility of SOME sort. Is it a realistic one? No. Based on what Subban has said throughout his time here, the likelihood of him leaving Montreal in 2 years due to the bridge contract is remote. It is more likely that he plays himself into a value where the Habs management foolishly decide they can not afford him before he actually decides to leave this city and team on his own.

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Watching fans move the goal posts to try and denigrate Subban is pretty hilarious.

"Points shouldn't matter! p.s. He doesn't have enough ES POINTS!"

"He played less time, even though he did a lot better with it"

"He played against a lower QoC for a month...HOW DARE HE DO WHAT THE COACH ASKED FROM HIM?"


There are some VERY upset fans grasping for straws on the main boards right now.

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You might want to read the posts above yours for future reference. In case you missed it:



There was no reason for him to make that statement. He could have said any number of positive things without saying that. Subban loves the city and the team. Will he play his whole career here? Nobody knows. Does it seem like he "may already have decided to continue his career elsewhere"? No. No, it really doesn't. I don't feel your post was as stupid as some others, but it definitely seems uninformed and out of the blue.

By the way, claiming that "may" is a qualifier and using it to validate your post is a bit of a cop out. You could say Subban may decide to retire at the age of 27 and go play golf. Sure, it is a possibility of SOME sort. Is it a realistic one? No. Based on what Subban has said throughout his time here, the likelihood of him leaving Montreal in 2 years due to the bridge contract is remote. It is more likely that he plays himself into a value where the Habs management foolishly decide they can not afford him before he actually decides to leave this city and team on his own.
And for all the loyalty and dedication Subban shows, the fans on this board will start a "how much is Subban worth" thread like now happens regularly for Markov and Plekanec.

A lot of fans just aren't getting what a special individual we have here. I just hope Bergevin can wrap a team around him better than what happened in Markov's case.

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Watching fans move the goal posts to try and denigrate Subban is pretty hilarious.

"Points shouldn't matter! p.s. He doesn't have enough ES POINTS!"

"He played less time, even though he did a lot better with it"

"He played against a lower QoC for a month...HOW DARE HE DO WHAT THE COACH ASKED FROM HIM?"


There are some VERY upset fans grasping for straws on the main boards right now.
If PK was a farmboy from Western Canada that showed little emotion on the ice, and used a milion cliches in interviews I doubt people would be fishing for reasons to discredit him. The hate PK gets is mostly about his image and perception and not his play on the ice.

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Watching fans move the goal posts to try and denigrate Subban is pretty hilarious.

"Points shouldn't matter! p.s. He doesn't have enough ES POINTS!"

"He played less time, even though he did a lot better with it"

"He played against a lower QoC for a month...HOW DARE HE DO WHAT THE COACH ASKED FROM HIM?"


There are some VERY upset fans grasping for straws on the main boards right now.
Some people really wanted Suter.

I say if you want Suter for minute eating and defense, Chara was much more effective this year. I wouldn't mind Chara beating Subban because he actually was the league's top shutdown defender. The only thing Suter had on Chara was a wack-load of secondary assists.

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If PK was a farmboy from Western Canada that showed little emotion on the ice, and used a milion cliches in interviews I doubt people would be fishing for reasons to discredit him. The hate PK gets is mostly about his image and perception and not his play on the ice.
I think its mostly about him being a Montreal Canadiens, and people being jealous he's with us.

Most of the PK haters are within the division after all, and even some of them are starting to respect him.

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