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06-11-2013, 07:43 AM
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What do the Kings realistically want for Bernier? I feel like Read would be perfect for the Kings. He's defensively responsible and could bolster the scoring depth in their top 6 that was clearly lacking when Richards went down this year. Are they saving him for a package for something bigger?

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What do the Kings realistically want for Bernier? I feel like Read would be perfect for the Kings. He's defensively responsible and could bolster the scoring depth in their top 6 that was clearly lacking when Richards went down this year. Are they saving him for a package for something bigger?
Read isnt enough for Bernier because hes not big enough and plays on the offensive juggarnaut of the Flyers

All these kings fans are failing to realize he plays mostly on the 3rd line and 2nd unit of our powerplay, which doesnt even get a lot of time because our first unit is so good.

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06-11-2013, 08:27 AM
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What do the Kings realistically want for Bernier? I feel like Read would be perfect for the Kings. He's defensively responsible and could bolster the scoring depth in their top 6 that was clearly lacking when Richards went down this year. Are they saving him for a package for something bigger?
How Kings can afford to resign Read and Brown next year? It will be at least $9,000.000.00 cap hit. They should look for different trade for Bernier.

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How Kings can afford to resign Read and Brown next year? It will be at least $9,000.000.00 cap hit. They should look for different trade for Bernier.
Valid point, but who are you going to get for Bernier that is not only good value but on a contract that will allow you to keep both the acquired player plus Brown? Read still has one more year left and the Kings should obviously be contenders again next season. Read could be the difference between a key injury ruining a cup run or just being a bump in the road.

Plus Bernier needs to be signed THIS offseason and having an expensive backup could hurt your cap situation just as much. If someone threw at offersheet in the neighborhood of 3 years, 10 mill at Bernier and the Kings matched, would it be better to pay Bernier a cap hit of 3.3 million to be a backup or to pay Read 4 - 4.25 million to be an every day contributor?

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06-11-2013, 09:55 AM
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Valid point, but who are you going to get for Bernier that is not only good value but on a contract that will allow you to keep both the acquired player plus Brown? Read still has one more year left and the Kings should obviously be contenders again next season. Read could be the difference between a key injury ruining a cup run or just being a bump in the road.

Plus Bernier needs to be signed THIS offseason and having an expensive backup could hurt your cap situation just as much. If someone threw at offersheet in the neighborhood of 3 years, 10 mill at Bernier and the Kings matched, would it be better to pay Bernier a cap hit of 3.3 million to be a backup or to pay Read 4 - 4.25 million to be an every day contributor?
The best solution will be to trade Bernier for high end prospect or 2013 1st round draft pick.

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06-11-2013, 10:10 AM
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So is Richards, want to give him back?
Has Read already won everything worth winning as a hockey player?

Richards >>>> Read

Read's size is a legitimate concern.

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Has Read already won everything worth winning as a hockey player?

Richards >>>> Read

Read's size is a legitimate concern.
Obviously Read is not the same caliber player as M. Richards.

But, I don't get it.

Read: 5'11, 190
Richards: 5'11, 199.

I'm not sure where this notion that Read is undersized came from. He's about average as far as NHL forwards go.

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Obviously Read is not the same caliber player as M. Richards.

But, I don't get it.

Read: 5'11, 190
Richards: 5'11, 199.

I'm not sure where this notion that Read is undersized came from. He's about average as far as NHL forwards go.
No, both are a little undersized. Look at the Kings lineup and when they are on the ice. Richards is small compared to most of our forwards.

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The best solution will be to trade Bernier for high end prospect or 2013 1st round draft pick.
A fan who attended last night's NYI booster club meeting, wrote up and posted Snow's comments. He says Snow sounds open to trading the 15th overall.

We know from Newsday's report, that Sow had called Lombardi about Bernier during the season.

Just saying

From what a King fan posted, I thought the Kings wanted immediate top 6 help? Read would contribute right away. That 1st rounder is likely a few yrs away.

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Let's be honest here:
Only reason Matt Read is in discussions for Bernier is because of the limited cap space we have. He makes 900,000$. No way we would even consider a Read for Bernier trade if we had more room and I like Read as a player. We need to see the bigger picture. In 2 years Bernier will bring in more value for the flyers. Read will still be a small 3rd line liner on our team.

If Read was UFA this year DL would just kick the tires but not make a 2-2.5 million offer. So why r we going to give Bernier for a potential 1 year player.

Biggest conern, we may have to lose one of Brown, Stoll or Green next year to sign Read as he enters UFA next year. Flyers need to add to Read to compensate for that. Kings can just wait and sign him when he hits UFA if the cap goes up.

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Let's be honest here:
Only reason Matt Read is in discussions for Bernier is because of the limited cap space we have. He makes 900,000$. No way we would even consider a Read for Bernier trade if we had more room and I like Read as a player. We need to see the bigger picture. In 2 years Bernier will bring in more value for the flyers. Read will still be a small 3rd line liner on our team.

If Read was UFA this year DL would just kick the tires but not make a 2-2.5 million offer. So why r we going to give Bernier for a potential 1 year player.

Biggest conern, we may have to lose one of Brown, Stoll or Green next year to sign Read as he enters UFA next year. Flyers need to add to Read to compensate for that. Kings can just wait and sign him when he hits UFA if the cap goes up.
I'm pretty sure the caps supposed to go up quite a bit over the next couple of seasons. Someone correct me if I'm wrong...

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I'm pretty sure the caps supposed to go up quite a bit over the next couple of seasons. Someone correct me if I'm wrong...
It's tied to the revenue and after this coming season's 64.3m cap, it could go anywhere. Could go down but revenue has just gone up. Another 5m jump isnt out of the question

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Let's be honest here:
Only reason Matt Read is in discussions for Bernier is because of the limited cap space we have. He makes 900,000$. No way we would even consider a Read for Bernier trade if we had more room and I like Read as a player. We need to see the bigger picture. In 2 years Bernier will bring in more value for the flyers. Read will still be a small 3rd line liner on our team.

If Read was UFA this year DL would just kick the tires but not make a 2-2.5 million offer. So why r we going to give Bernier for a potential 1 year player.

Biggest conern, we may have to lose one of Brown, Stoll or Green next year to sign Read as he enters UFA next year. Flyers need to add to Read to compensate for that. Kings can just wait and sign him when he hits UFA if the cap goes up.

Many agreed on a conditional pick being added if he doesn't resign - maybe a late 2nd or early 3rd.

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Height is important to the kings system, and the West is big and tight. I think he'd get smacked around and do worse on the kings team.
then you better trade Toffoli, Vey and Pearson. because physical players they are not.

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I think the Kings can get a better deal for Bernier.
I agree I think they go after Couts not Read.

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because physical players they are not.
Did you try to sound like Yoda here?

or should I say

Try to sound like Yoda here, did you?

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A fan who attended last night's NYI booster club meeting, wrote up and posted Snow's comments. He says Snow sounds open to trading the 15th overall.

We know from Newsday's report, that Sow had called Lombardi about Bernier during the season.

Just saying

From what a King fan posted, I thought the Kings wanted immediate top 6 help? Read would contribute right away. That 1st rounder is likely a few yrs away.
I think getting a 1st +is better for the kings in the long run. We develop someone who we like. I think Pearson is good enuff to play the 2nd lw postion till we get the pick developed. Anthony Mantha looks perfect to me and should be available around the 15th pick

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I think getting a 1st +is better for the kings in the long run. We develop someone who we like. I think Pearson is good enuff to play the 2nd lw postion till we get the pick developed. Anthony Mantha looks perfect to me and should be available around the 15th pick
I agree. What's also wrong with:

Brown Kopitar Williams
Richards Carter Toffoli
Pearson Stoll Lewis
Clifford Vey Nolan

Fraser
King

We should maximize Bernier's value and a first in this years draft is better than Read. We can sign Read or a better player if cap goes up next year as a UFA anyway.
Kings need to get Scuds and Voynov signed ASAP.

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You have Richards playing LW?

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I agree. What's also wrong with:

Brown Kopitar Williams
Richards Carter Toffoli
Pearson Stoll Lewis
Clifford Vey Nolan

Fraser
King

We should maximize Bernier's value and a first in this years draft is better than Read. We can sign Read or a better player if cap goes up next year as a UFA anyway.
Kings need to get Scuds and Voynov signed ASAP.
I ve thought about richards at lw as well im not opposed to it but he didnt seem to do well playing it in the limited games ive seem him try.

I like this as the forwards

brown kopitar williams
pearson carter toffolli
clifford richards vey
king or Andy Andreoff stoll lewis

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then you better trade Toffoli, Vey and Pearson. because physical players they are not.
but none require a nice asset to aquire

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Lineup is flexable but you get my point, do we really have to trade Bernier for a marginal 2nd line player we can lose next year, or get good picks for Bernier and let our young players play? Pearson Vey Toffoli was the best line in the AHL, i want to see them on our roster next year, we can adjust as the season progresses.

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What a mess the Flyers have made. Trade Bobrov may be as bad as the Leafs trading Rask if not more. Maybe they can find a taker for Bryz with retaining a bunch of salary. Would Phx take him back for a 6th round pic and Phy hangs onto about 2mil of salary?

Someone said Read plus a second round pic. I think LA takes that and runs.

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I agree I think they go after Couts not Read.
Why not go for Giroux?

If Couturier gets dealt, it's in a deal for a defenseman.

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What a mess the Flyers have made. Trade Bobrov may be as bad as the Leafs trading Rask if not more. Maybe they can find a taker for Bryz with retaining a bunch of salary. Would Phx take him back for a 6th round pic and Phy hangs onto about 2mil of salary?

Someone said Read plus a second round pic. I think LA takes that and runs.
They can just amnesty Bryz and retain no salary.

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