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06-11-2013, 11:34 AM
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stamkos for moen
LMAO Yeah maybe on NHL13 Montreal does'nt have what it would take to get a player of Stamkos caliber.

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06-11-2013, 11:37 AM
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LMAO Yeah maybe on NHL13 Montreal does'nt have what it would take to get a player of Stamkos caliber.
that was an iq test post, you failed brah

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LMAO Yeah maybe on NHL13 Montreal does'nt have what it would take to get a player of Stamkos caliber.
Obvious sarcasm is apparently not-so-obvious.

OP, you're overvaluing cash.

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06-11-2013, 11:38 AM
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LMAO Yeah maybe on NHL13 Montreal does'nt have what it would take to get a player of Stamkos caliber.
I'm pretty sure that was an example of "pile on the absurdly bad trade proposal thread with additional absurdly bad trade proposals" type sarcasm. A slightly overused tactic, but not to be taken seriously.

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I'm pretty sure that was an example of "pile on the absurdly bad trade proposal thread with additional absurdly bad trade proposals" type sarcasm. A slightly overused tactic, but not to be taken seriously.
Yep obviously

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that was an iq test post, you failed brah
Hate when that happens.

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06-11-2013, 11:42 AM
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Yep obviously
in all seriousness tho, trade me ericsson for kaberle

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OK, what I guess I need to explain is that this is not trading assets for assets, per say; if that were the case, I wouldn't even bother with these proposals...this is trading for a crippling buyout on a salary that is doing extreme damage to Tampa in both the short term and the long term (the same as DiPietro's is doing for the Isles)...Tampa can't afford the buyout on this contract, nor can they afford to keep paying for a franchise superstar and getting an aging OK 2nd line centre...a team like Montreal (or Toronto, NY Rangers, Philly, etc.) can afford a huge payout and may do it as long as it makes sense, as in nets big assets back...this is a business, GMs realize this and will do what they have to in order for the team to survive (and hopefully prosper) in the long run.

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06-11-2013, 11:47 AM
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in all seriousness tho, trade me ericsson for kaberle
Sorry why would Detroit want Kaberle over Ericsson Dont see Detroit having any Interest In Kaberle at all maybe Yannick Weber might be of some interest to us but Kaberle is washed up and Detroit is looking to get much better defensively not worse.

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OP, you're overvaluing cash.
30 million is hard to overvalue and taking 30 million (or 40+ if they decided not to buy him out) off the books of a team that has a history of having trouble generating revenue will net you some big fish in return.

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Steve Yzerman isn't an idiot, cmon now.
well, I'm not sure....

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30 million is hard to overvalue
Which is why I'm surprised you managed to do it.

You're also not taking into account the money Tampa will save by keeping the 3rd overall and drafting a quality player who will be cost controlled compared to expensive UFAs.

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Steve Yzerman isn't an idiot, cmon now.
Only possibly on the Matt Carle signing other then that, He has'nt been to bad.

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OK, what I guess I need to explain is that this is not trading assets for assets, per say; if that were the case, I wouldn't even bother with these proposals...this is trading for a crippling buyout on a salary that is doing extreme damage to Tampa in both the short term and the long term (the same as DiPietro's is doing for the Isles)...Tampa can't afford the buyout on this contract, nor can they afford to keep paying for a franchise superstar and getting an aging OK 2nd line centre...a team like Montreal (or Toronto, NY Rangers, Philly, etc.) can afford a huge payout and may do it as long as it makes sense, as in nets big assets back...this is a business, GMs realize this and will do what they have to in order for the team to survive (and hopefully prosper) in the long run.
This is all very generous of you to volunteer Montreal's cash, but most of the money that sports teams use comes from the owner, who hopes to regain the cash through team-related revenues. Tampa has a fairly stable ownership board (Jeffrey Vinik, the president, has a net-worth of $500+ million on his own) and right now can afford to overpay their captain and face of the franchise by a few million dollars per year

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Montreal isn't getting the 3rd overall unless either: 1) Galchenyuk or 2) Subban is going the other way. Tampa adds but something decent has to be leaving Montreal.

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This is all very generous of you to volunteer Montreal's cash, but most of the money that sports teams use comes from the owner, who hopes to regain the cash through team-related revenues. Tampa has a fairly stable ownership board (Jeffrey Vinik, the president, has a net-worth of $500+ million on his own) and right now can afford to overpay their captain and face of the franchise by a few million dollars per year
Steven Stamkos is the face of the franchise now and it's not just a few million here and there; they're paying him 45 million over the next 7 years (cap hit of 7.27273 mill)...that's about twice as much as he's worth; the savings alone could net you a big free agent to replace him...so you get a better #2 centre or throw some cash at Richards (a Conn Smythe winner with Tampa) after NY buys him out and save the cash for someone else...so Tampa saves buckets of money, no loss to the product on the ice, and all it gives up is a very nice pick and a nice pick...or they keep a contract that is crippling them against the cap...or they throw 30 million into the furnace and buy him out themselves...look at this from a business perspective as well as a hockey one; it does make sense for the "have not" teams to trade assets for big money relief.

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OK, what I guess I need to explain is that this is not trading assets for assets, per say; if that were the case, I wouldn't even bother with these proposals...this is trading for a crippling buyout on a salary that is doing extreme damage to Tampa in both the short term and the long term (the same as DiPietro's is doing for the Isles)...Tampa can't afford the buyout on this contract, nor can they afford to keep paying for a franchise superstar and getting an aging OK 2nd line centre...a team like Montreal (or Toronto, NY Rangers, Philly, etc.) can afford a huge payout and may do it as long as it makes sense, as in nets big assets back...this is a business, GMs realize this and will do what they have to in order for the team to survive (and hopefully prosper) in the long run.
Congrats.

You've managed to not only come up with a top five worst of all time Vinny to Habs trade proposal, you've also managed to slip in some slams on Tampa Bays supposed financial woes.

Not often we get a twofer off of one insulting trade offer. Well done.

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OK, what I guess I need to explain is that this is not trading assets for assets, per say; if that were the case, I wouldn't even bother with these proposals...this is trading for a crippling buyout on a salary that is doing extreme damage to Tampa in both the short term and the long term (the same as DiPietro's is doing for the Isles)...Tampa can't afford the buyout on this contract, nor can they afford to keep paying for a franchise superstar and getting an aging OK 2nd line centre...a team like Montreal (or Toronto, NY Rangers, Philly, etc.) can afford a huge payout and may do it as long as it makes sense, as in nets big assets back...this is a business, GMs realize this and will do what they have to in order for the team to survive (and hopefully prosper) in the long run.
You may want to research our owner a bit.

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30 million is hard to overvalue and taking 30 million (or 40+ if they decided not to buy him out) off the books of a team that has a history of having trouble generating revenue will net you some big fish in return.
Also not true. The team accepted revenue sharing once under the historically inept OK Hockey regime. We're certainly not at the top of the revenue totem pole, but acting like lack of cash flow has been an epidemic with this franchise in it's history is fallacious. If you're basing this off of the consistently incorrect Forbes list, then all but four or so teams in the league are having insurmountable cash flow problems.

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Steven Stamkos is the face of the franchise now
How about asking the fans if that is the case? As much as we like Stammer, he wouldn't rank in the top two "faces of the franchise" for the majority of Lightning fans.

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Montreal isn't getting the 3rd overall unless either: 1) Galchenyuk or 2) Subban is going the other way. Tampa adds but something decent has to be leaving Montreal.
uhhhh chucky is a proven stud and subban has insane value atm, tampa would have to add something significant. teams dream about getting a player like chucky with their high picks, theres always an uncertainty w/ draft picks until they actually play in the nhl

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How about asking the fans if that is the case? As much as we like Stammer, he wouldn't rank in the top two "faces of the franchise" for the majority of Lightning fans.
Stammer is great dont get us wrong but he plays with St Louis and LeCavaliers also any one would be great playing with them. And if Stammer played with the likes of Datsyuk Zetterberg Crosby or Malkin the same thing great players feed off of each other this as fans we all know.

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Guys, learn to read. He's suggesting that Tampa can't afford to buy out Vinny's contract so a team (in this case it's a coincidence it's Montreal) would trade for him and buy him out themselves. This isn't a typical Lecavalier to Montreal trade proposal. There's obviously an assumption that Vinny would want to buyout Vinny's contract and he's not the first to bring it up.

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Guys, learn to read. He's suggesting that Tampa can't afford to buy out Vinny's contract so a team (in this case it's a coincidence it's Montreal) would trade for him and buy him out themselves. This isn't a typical Lecavalier to Montreal trade proposal. There's obviously an assumption that Vinny would want to buyout Vinny's contract and he's not the first to bring it up.
DEAR GOD, THANK YOU!!...finally someone gets it...

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DEAR GOD, THANK YOU!!...finally someone gets it...
Plenty of people have understood what you were getting at, they just disagreed on your assessment that $30M gets you the 3rd overall.

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Plenty of people have understood what you were getting at, they just disagreed on your assessment that $30M gets you the 3rd overall.
Multiple people also said it's the worst Lecavalier to Montreal proposal they've ever read.

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