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RW Valeri Nichushkin - Chelyabinsk, KHL (2013, 10th overall, Dallas)

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06-09-2013, 11:44 PM
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I am not comparing him to Drouin at all. What is his wrist and slap shot like? Is his move, you seem to see in all his goals be easily stopped by NHL dmen?
My comment was more towards your second point about non-impressive numbers.

As to the first (and this post), I don't see his "one move" as a negative. The fact that he was able to find one move and consistently get it to work for him in the second hardest hockey league in the world at 17 years of age is amazing.

I don't think that his one move will work in the NHL, but I also think his combination of size, skill and hands will make that negligible. He can still be effective without it.

But this is all my opinion, and I am a huge Nichushkin fanboy.

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Thanks for you opinion.

Just trying to gauge where people see him. All you seem to hear about him is his one power move and scoring one big goal.

You don't hear much of his wrist/slap shot, playmaking. Would he be getting much attention if that goal he scored against Canada a tap in from the slot?

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06-10-2013, 10:22 AM
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Nichushkin did a mere 8 push-ups! 11 if you include the last three weak ones.
Man that's TERRIBLE! That's almost as bad as Drew Doughty!

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Looks like Bogdan Yakimov on the left. Nichushkin's on the right.

I'm gonna say Yakimov's got some sort of berry gelato, wheras Nichushkin's got maybe cookie dough icecream? Both solid choices, it would appear Yakimov has a higher frozen treats IQ though.

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06-11-2013, 11:39 AM
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Re Nikushkin: Sr scouts all laughed. Sez 1 "Don't remember worse combine. Quit tests, brutal intervu. Shame. as talented." #NHL #draft

If he falls on draft day, you know why.

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Gare Joyce's twitter is very interesting. A good follow.

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Re Nikushkin: Sr scouts all laughed. Sez 1 "Don't remember worse combine. Quit tests, brutal intervu. Shame. as talented." #NHL #draft

If he falls on draft day, you know why.
Do you think he might fall outside the 1rst round?

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Why does anyone put stock into results for a hockey combine. Its ridiculous, who cares if hes not a physical beast at doing push ups. All I care about is on ice product, if thats good then base your decision on that.

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Why does anyone put stock into results for a hockey combine. Its ridiculous, who cares if hes not a physical beast at doing push ups. All I care about is on ice product, if thats good then base your decision on that.
They said he quit during the tests. They might be exagerating but if he could continue and just quited, that's not a good sign especialy after giving putrid combine interviews and saying he doesn't plan to train much this summer cause he wants to come fresh at camp (this one could have been lost in translation but after his combine experience it might spot on).

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And the top 3 NA didn't even do them at all..

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They said he quit during the tests. They might be exagerating but if he could continue and just quited, that's not a good sign especialy after giving putrid combine interviews and saying he doesn't plan to train much this summer cause he wants to come fresh at camp (this one could have been lost in translation but after his combine experience it might spot on).
I think the guy on twitter was talking about the windgate test, if memory serves me right I saw it talked about on another forum. And in the windgate you basically go as hard as you can till you physically cant go anymore. In the video it shows a guy saying "1 more minute" and Nischuskin stopped pretty quickly after. But the statement was for motivation, not as a time he actually had to go for.

If he did quit on tests that may raise alarms, but what tests at the combine can you actually quit? (willingly, not because your tired/weak)

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And the top 3 NA didn't even do them at all..
Quitters...no heart whatsoever. Ship 'em all to Russia!


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Lol imagine if he was in shape?

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Lol imagine if he was in shape?
I'm a Nichushkin fan, but asking "imagine if he was in shape?" instead of "why isn't this guy in shape?" is a good way to wind up with a bust on your hands.

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Why does anyone put stock into results for a hockey combine. Its ridiculous, who cares if hes not a physical beast at doing push ups. All I care about is on ice product, if thats good then base your decision on that.
I think it is easy to overrate this information. However if he comes off as somewhat lackadaisical that raises a few red flags.

In cases like this, I suspect that sometimes this could be as simple as cultural difference. Maybe combine testing of this kind is not taken with comparable seriousness in Russia.

While Zadorov and Zykov did great on testing and interviews, remember that they spent a year in the country and had time to adjust to cultural norms.

Russians are very different people; they tend to rub Canadians the wrong way. We know this very well.

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I think the guy on twitter was talking about the windgate test, if memory serves me right I saw it talked about on another forum. And in the windgate you basically go as hard as you can till you physically cant go anymore. In the video it shows a guy saying "1 more minute" and Nischuskin stopped pretty quickly after. But the statement was for motivation, not as a time he actually had to go for.

If he did quit on tests that may raise alarms, but what tests at the combine can you actually quit? (willingly, not because your tired/weak)
Ultimately, this is all delicious gossip. Not much else.

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I'm a Nichushkin fan, but asking "imagine if he was in shape?" instead of "why isn't this guy in shape?" is a good way to wind up with a bust on your hands.
We'll see about that.

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I think it should be noted that he doesn't speak much English and needed a translator in his interviews.

I also noted this on another board, but what exactly does "bad interviews" mean? Did he say that once here, he would bang the GM's daughter? Did he answer "Yes" to "Who deserved the Norris more: Phaneuf or Gardiner"? What does he mean?


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I think it should be noted that he doesn't speak much English and needed a translator in his interviews with GM's.
And more importantly, his translator was a wing nut. There was a Russian poster who commented on his TSN interview and said the woman translating did a poor job explaining the questions in Russian to VN, and even worse with taking his answers and rephrasing them in English. Why get an independent translator vs having your agent? He's the top ranked Russian in the draft, you'd think he'd have a premier agent like a Larionov. If he's there at 7 I have no problem with the Oil taking him.

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He's clearly just trying to drop to 21 so the Leafs can get him

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How do you think his skills translate to the NHL?

Especially since at no stage has he had overly impressive numbers.
His numbers aren't that different from Malkin in his draft year. Just saying (since a lot of people like to use the Malkin lite tag).

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Grigorenko 2.0..... aka both are the next Viktor Kozlovs..... great size, skill and potential but never live up to expectations.

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Grigorenko 2.0..... aka both are the next Viktor Kozlovs..... great size, skill and potential but never live up to expectations.
Does that make Lindholm the next Niclas Bergfors?

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Grigorenko 2.0..... aka both are the next Viktor Kozlovs..... great size, skill and potential but never live up to expectations.
Because Grigorenko has had a lot of time to live up to those "expectations".

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Does that make Lindholm the next Niclas Bergfors?
No. Lindholm's game is NOTHING like Bergfors. Style-wise he's more like Claude Giroux. Lindholm will be a good one.... and has nothing in common with those fickle Russians like Grigorenko/Nichushkin who have big questions about their work ethic, passion and dedication to be main contributors in the NHL.

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