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06-08-2013, 09:53 PM
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i cant wait till a full season in the NHL for both Miller and McIlrath.. i wish McIlrath would have gotten a game in the playoffs.. couldnt be worse than Hamrlik.
He couldn't be worse then Bickel, and he played decent minutes for this club not too long ago.

I don't understand the hesitation to give young players a real chance to play. Not as if every other team in the league does it...oh wait, they do.

What are the alternatives? Watching slow elephants like Clowe and Pyatt get pinned in our end? I like them both, but come on. We won't see skill infusion by being chicken **** to play our more talented young guys.

In this upcoming season I want to see Kreider and Miller get bigger roles, and Fast(h), Lindberg, and McIlrath get a shot. What is the plan, otherwise?

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Bickel was playing to a point that he was a liability every single time he was out on the ice. Mcilrath is prone to getting beat on the outside, but that's really my only gripe with him. I'd expect he gets his cup of coffee this upcoming season.

Bailey and the kid ODC was pimping up on the last page really interest me.

Say it with me, Americans with our 3rd rounders, gamble with Euros in the late rounds.

By the way, it is almost certain we're taking a goalie this year, just a hunch

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Were the Rangers at the combine and did they do any interviews?

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Were the Rangers at the combine and did they do any interviews?
I looked around trying to find a list of interviews that the teams may have conducted, but was unable to find one. This very well might be the reason however: http://coyotes.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=672866:

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GLENDALE -- Coyotes executives are back home today after last week’s NHL Scouting Combine in Toronto.

General Manager Don Maloney, Assistant G.M. Brad Treliving, and Director of Amateur Scouting Rick Knickle led the Phoenix contingent as it gathered valuable data leading up to the 2013 NHL Entry Draft on June 30 in Newark, N.J.

We spent the first four days meeting with players and then they had two days of physical testing,” Treliving explained. “It was a good week. We gained valuable information on a lot of the prospects.”

Treliving said the Coyotes interviewed an average of 25 prospects per day – with the interviews lasting between 10-15 minutes.

“In many cases we were able to gain a sense of their personalities and what type of people they are,” Treliving said. “But in some cases the benefit was simply putting a face to a name.”
Thus, the Coyotes interviewed around a hundred prospects. I remember reading a post on this site saying one of the only ways of finding out which teams are interviewing which prospects is to follow the players themselves on twitter.

Based upon this list (http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?p...6#.UbXM0dj4JWI), the Coyotes might very well have interviewed EVERY prospect at the combine:

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Here's the full list 101 prospects that have been invited to take part in the NHL Scouting Combine:

Top-ranked North American skaters:
Rank - Player Team (League) Position
1 - Seth Jones Portland (WHL) D
2 - Nathan MacKinnon Halifax (QMJHL) C
3 - Jonathan Drouin Halifax (QMJHL) LW
4 - Darnell Nurse Sault Ste. Marie (OHL) D
5 - Sean Monahan Ottawa (OHL) C
6 - Hunter Shinkaruk Medicine Hat (WHL) C/LW
7 - Valentin Zykov Baie - Comeau (QMJHL) LW
8 - Frederik Gauthier Rimouski (QMJHL) C
9 - Mirco Mueller Everett (WHL) D
10 - Anthony Mantha Val - d'Or (QMJHL) RW
11 - Shea Theodore Seattle (WHL) D
12 - Ryan Pulock Brandon (WHL) D
13 - Zach Nastasiuk Owen Sound (OHL) RW
14 - Chris Bigras Owen Sound (OHL) D
15 - Bo Horvat London (OHL) C
16 - Ryan Hartman Plymouth (OHL) RW
17 - Kerby Rychel Windsor (OHL) LW
18 - Wiliam Carrier Cape Breton (QMJHL) LW
19 - Max Domi London (OHL) C/LW
20 - Curtis Lazar Edmonton (WHL) C/LW
21 - James Lodge Saginaw (OHL) C
22 - Nikita Zadorov London (OHL) D
23 - Samuel Morin Rimouski (QMJHL) D
24 - Ian McCoshen Waterloo (USHL) D
25 - Morgan Klimchuk Regina (WHL) LW
26 - Adam Erne Quebec (QMJHL) LW
27 - Joshua Morrissey Prince Albert (WHL) D
28 - Laurent Dauphin Chicoutimi (QMJHL) C
29 - Jon Hayden USA U - 18 (USHL) C
30 - Jason Dickinson Guelph (OHL) C
31 - Dillon Heatherington Swift Current (WHL) D
32 - Madison Bowey Kelowna (WHL) D
33 - Nicolas Petan Portland (WHL) C
34 - JT Compher USA U - 18 (USHL) LW
35 - Michael McCarron USA U - 18 (USHL) RW
36 - Oliver Bjorkstrand Portland (WHL) RW
37 - Jonathan - Ismael Diaby Victoriaville (QMJHL) D
38 - Justin Bailey Kitchener (OHL) RW
39 - Emile Poirier Gatineau (QMJHL) LW
40 - Brett Pesce New Hampshire (H - East) D
41 - Eric Roy Brandon (WHL) D
42 - Adam Tambellini Surrey (BCHL) C
43 - Jan Kostalek Rimouski (QMJHL) D
44 - Thomas Vanelli Minnetonka (High - Mn) D
45 - Connor Hurley Edina High (High - Mn) C
46 - Myles Bell Kelowna (WHL) LW
47 - Steven Santini USA U - 18 (USHL) D
48 - Nick Sorensen Quebec (QMJHL) RW
49 - Michael Downing Dubuque (USHL) D
50 - Yan Pavel Laplante PEI (QMJHL) C
51 - Gustav Olofsson Green Bay (USHL) D
52 - Gabryel Paquin - Boudreau Baie - Comeau (QMJHL) LW
53 - Keaton Thompson USA U - 18 (USHL) D
54 - Marc - Olivier Roy Blainville - Boisbriand (QMJHL) C
55 - Jordan Subban Belleville (OHL) D
56 - Ryan Fitzgerald Valley (EJHL) C
57 - Anthony Duclair Quebec (QMJHL) LW
58 - Nick Moutrey Saginaw (OHL) C/LW
59 - Mason Geertsen Vancouver (WHL) D
60 - Zachary Sanford Islanders (EJHL) LW
61 - Nicholas Baptiste Sudbury (OHL) RW
62 - Sean Malone USA U - 18 (USHL) C
63 - Ryan Kujawinski Kingston (OHL) C
64 - Teemu Kivihalme Burnsville (High - Mn) D
65 - Jackson Houck Vancouver (WHL) RW
66 - Tyler Lewington Medicine Hat (WHL) D
67 - David Pope West Kelowna (BCHL) LW
68 - Alexandre Coulombe Stanstead College (High - Qc) D
69 - Michell Wheaton Kelowna (WHL) D
70 - Hudson Fasching USA U - 18 (USHL) RW
71 - Remi Elie London (OHL) LW
72 - Kurt Etchegary Quebec (QMJHL) C
73 - Vincent Dunn Val - d'Or (QMJHL) C
74 - Dylan Labbe Shawinigan (QMJHL) D
75 - Anthony Florentino South Kent School (High - Ct) D
76 - Spenser Jensen Medicine Hat (WHL) D
77 - Avery Peterson Grand Rapids (High - Mn) C
78 - Ty Stanton Medicine Hat (WHL) D
79 - Jeremy Gregoire Baie - Comeau (QMJHL) C

Goaltenders:
1 - Zachary Fucale Halifax (QMJHL) G
2 - Eric Comrie Tri - City (WHL) G
3 - Tristan Jarry Edmonton (WHL) G
4 - Calvin Petersen Waterloo (USHL) G
5 - Spencer Martin Mississauga (OHL) G
6 - Eamon McAdam Waterloo (USHL) G
7 - Philippe Desrosiers Rimouski (QMJHL) G

Top-ranked European skaters:
Rank - Player Team (League) Position
1 - Aleksander Barkov Tappara (Finland) C
2 - Valeri Nichushkin Chelyabinsk (Russia) RW
3 - Elias Lindholm Brynas (Sweden) C
4 - Rasmus Ristolainen TPS (Finland) D
5 - Alexander Wennberg Djurgarden (Sweden) C
6 - Andre Burakovsky Malmo (Sweden) LW
7 - Jacob De La Rose Leksand (Sweden) LW
8 - Robert Hagg Modo Jr. (Sweden) D
9 - Artturi Lehkonen Kalpa (Finland) LW
10 - Pavel Buchnevich Cherepovets 2 (Russia) LW
11 - Bogdan Yakimov Nizhnekamsk 2 (Russia) C
12 - Marko Dano Bratislava (Russia) C
13 - Linus Arnesson Djurgarden (Sweden) D
14 - Viktor Crus Rydberg Linkoping Jr. (Sweden) C

Goaltender:

1 - Juuse Saros HPK Jr. (Finland) G


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06-10-2013, 07:00 PM
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Coyotes creating scouting profiles. I wonder if they share that information.

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06-11-2013, 12:41 AM
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Simple plan

MDZ for #7 and MPS
Floridas 3rd + Columbus 3rd for a mid second

Choose:

#7 - Valeri Nichuschkin
Late 30s - Jakob de la Rose
Our 3rd - Myles Bell
Our 4th - A goalie
Our 6th - a Goon that can skate

How Hard was that?


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MDZ for #7 and MPS
Floridas 3rd + Columbus 3rd for a mid second

Choose:

#7 - Valeri Nichuschkin
Late 30s - Jakob de la Rose
Our 3rd - Myles Bell
Our 4th - A goalie
Our 6th - a Goon that can skate

How Hard was that?

We don't have Florida's third anymore. We flushed in that godawful Clowe trade.

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We don't have Florida's third anymore. We flushed in that godawful Clowe trade.
We have Nashville's though.

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Spoke to 3 sr scouts Mon., none w Seth Jones @ #1, 2 don't have SJ @ #2 & one has him #4 behind Barkov ("not sold on him, see Erik Johnson")
Man if he slips......

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MDZ for #7 and MPS
Floridas 3rd + Columbus 3rd for a mid second

Choose:

#7 - Valeri Nichuschkin
Late 30s - Jakob de la Rose
Our 3rd - Myles Bell
Our 4th - A goalie
Our 6th - a Goon that can skate

How Hard was that?
Great plan BBKers! I'm not sure MDZ will get you #7 and MPS, but I would definitely be game for that, and Nichuschkin, I think he's going to be a beast.

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06-11-2013, 10:50 AM
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Man if he slips......
I thought Colorado was a sure bet to take him 1st.

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I thought Colorado was a sure bet to take him 1st.
I thought so too

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Man if he slips......
You are taking the bait. I think this is all talk, like most years, to garner attention and interest.

Jones had a similar draft year to Doughty, and he can take over with the puck on his stick.

I don't think Jones is anything like Erik Johnson, who I said was overrated back when he was drafted.

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Plus the whole "some scouts have him lower" thing doesn't mean much if the Avs are in love with him at #1. I still think he's the best player in the draft. Size, skating, mobility, puck moving, can play all situations. Should be an absolute stud.

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Everyone knows he'll be a good blueliner, we just don't know how good.

With guys like Drouin available that could be PPG guys in the NHL, it's no wonder teams are looking at all options.

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Everyone knows he'll be a good blueliner, we just don't know how good.

With guys like Drouin available that could be PPG guys in the NHL, it's no wonder teams are looking at all options.
You take the best player at #1, period. Quebec, Ottawa, and the Pens have all taken three Centers with #1 or #2 overall picks three drafts in a row in the last 20 something years. All these teams won Cups or went to the finals, not just because they took all those Centers, but because they took the player they thought was the BPA, regardless of position. Ottawa stocked up on Centers, traded Yashin who many thought was their best Center for a guy named Chara, how did that work out? I remember many people saying the Pens were stupid for drafting Jordy Staal, well that worked out well.

BPA, almost always, it's rare a occasion when I would pick for need.

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You take the best player at #1, period. Quebec, Ottawa, and the Pens have all taken three Centers with #1 or #2 overall picks three drafts in a row in the last 20 something years. All these teams won Cups or went to the finals, not just because they took all those Centers, but because they took the player they thought was the BPA, regardless of position. Ottawa stocked up on Centers, traded Yashin who many thought was their best Center for a guy named Chara, how did that work out? I remember many people saying the Pens were stupid for drafting Jordy Staal, well that worked out well.

BPA, almost always, it's rare a occasion when I would pick for need.
The centerpiece of that trade was the second overall pick, which got them Jason Spezza, really.

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MDZ for #7 and MPS
Floridas 3rd + Columbus 3rd for a mid second

Choose:

#7 - Valeri Nichuschkin
Late 30s - Jakob de la Rose
Our 3rd - Myles Bell
Our 4th - A goalie
Our 6th - a Goon that can skate

How Hard was that?

BBKers, That first MDZ for #7 and MPS has been my wet dream for ages. MPS would add some nice speed in the bottom half of the ine-up. I dream of a line of Kreider-MPS and a stud like Nichuschkin. MPS is the forgotten man with all the first overall BLING on the Oilers. Nows the time to get him, before he blossoms.

Well thought out. Make it happen.

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Just some players that might be interesting for the NYR this coming draft. I know the list is long but with no 1st or 2nd, most of these players have a chance of falling into the 3rd or lower, some we might have to trade up for. Also, I've researched most of these guys just too lazy to post links for them. Not in any particular order. Food for thought !

Links for player information:

http://thehockeywriters.com/2013-nhl...op-30-round-1/

http://hockeyprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=1522

JC Lipon
Dane Fox
John Hayden
Conner Hurley
Pavel Buchnevich -might drop due to "Russian Factor". Great talent.
Tyler Hill-power forward
Hudson Fasching -power forward
Zach Nastasiuk-power forward
Victor Crus-Ryberg
Michael McCarron-power forward
Lucas Wallmark
Gustaf Olafsson
Carl Dahlstrom
Ryan Kujawinski
Myles Bell
Marko Dano
Nick Baptiste
Jimmy Lodge
Matt Buckles
Emile Poirier
Niklas Hansson-Swedish offensive D
Peter Cehlarik
Jackson Houck
Ryan Fitzgerald
Nicholas Petan
Eddie Ellis
Roberts Lipsbergs
Adam Tambellini
Jean Sebastian Dea
Anton Slepyshev
Kerby Rychel - would love to get him if we trade Del Zotto to move up to the late 1st.


Niklas Hansson-Swedish offensive D -

from REDLINE REPORT - Hansson came out of nowhere and developed into one of the best finesse, offensive defensemen over the second half of the season. At a slightly built 6-0, 173 pounds, he lacks strength, but his puckhandling confidence and development curves appear to be headed straight upward. He shows great vision and patience handling the puck, always skating with his head up looking to make plays, and usually makes very good decisions in puck movement. He has the speed to take the puck end-to-end, and is also terrific quarterbacking the power play.


I've been reading some good things about Hanson. We need a PP quarterback. Would be a great pick in the 3rd or 4th if he lasts that long.

Ola or BBKers, have you seen this guy play or do you have any info on him? Much appreciated.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEGTfzlyzKM


He's a right handed shot and this kid can skate. A bit thin but he should fill out. The next Erik Karlsson?


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Coyotes learned a lesson two years ago. When Gormely fell into their laps, they hadn't even interviewed him and had to go scrambling for information. You never know who is going to be available. Also thinking Phoienix is a definite candidate to trade up especially if they can get a shot at Sean Monohan.

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I remember when Don Maloney fell in love with Lauri Korpikoski at the combine and the ensuring interview.

Of all Maloney's misses in the NYR drafts, he got the right Finn of that trio.

Tukonen - 10th
Nokelainen - 16th
Korpikoski (traded up) - 19th

Not for the weak of stomach: 2004 'Rebuilding' Draft:
1st - Montoya
1st - Korpikoski
2nd - Darin Olver
2nd - Dane Byers
2nd - Bruce Graham
2nd - Brandon Dubinsky (thank god)
3rd - Zdenek Bahensky
3rd - Billy Ryan
4th - Ryan Callahan

Historically, getting Dubinsky and Callahan is a net win for drafting, but with so many kicks at the can in the first 3 rounds, sad to see what became of it.


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The centerpiece of that trade was the second overall pick, which got them Jason Spezza, really.
Yep, what a great trade for the Sens, set them up for the next decade. That's why I never stop letting Sather have it for past drafts, they still affect the team today.

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Coyotes learned a lesson two years ago. When Gormely fell into their laps, they hadn't even interviewed him and had to go scrambling for information. You never know who is going to be available. Also thinking Phoienix is a definite candidate to trade up especially if they can get a shot at Sean Monohan.
How is Gormley progressing? Seems like these Dmen that were destined for the top ten in their draft year only to fall, usually struggle - Bobby Sangs, Del Z to name a few

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I remember when Don Maloney fell in love with Lauri Korpikoski at the combine and the ensuring interview.

Of all Maloney's misses in the NYR drafts, he got the right Finn of that trio.

Tukonen - 10th
Nokelainen - 16th
Korpikoski (traded up) - 19th

Not for the weak of stomach: 2004 'Rebuilding' Draft:
1st - Montoya
1st - Korpikoski
2nd - Darin Olver
2nd - Dane Byers
2nd - Bruce Graham
2nd - Brandon Dubinsky (thank god)
3rd - Zdenek Bahensky
3rd - Billy Ryan
4th - Ryan Callahan

Historically, getting Dubinsky and Callahan is a net win for drafting, but with so many kicks at the can in the first 3 rounds, sad to see what became of it.
I was never a Tukonen fan, guy had bust written all over him and some wanted him for the #6 pick where we took Montoya.

Olver had Sather ties, played for Glen's buddy Walt Kyle in College, I knew that pick was too high, forget that he was a huge project. Byers was already getting injured and had family injury history, didn't like him. Bruce Graham, huge guy, huge project. Bahensky had some size, didn't know what to do when the puck was on his stick, low IQ. Billy Ryan, huge project, never progressed into a pro frame or game. Callahan was a smallish player thought of as a scrappy scorer. Dubinsky was the one name we had talked up alot thanks to Edge, he championed Dubie for awhile, before anyone thought about him as a viable 2nd round option.

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I am so ****ing glad Maloney is no longer part of this organization. His drafting "skills" set this team back a long time.

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Who would you pick?

The Rangers have several draft picks coming in the next few weeks. Out of curiosity, who would you pick?

Give me two players that played in NA this year and one player who played overseas.

As for myself, I'll start:

3rd: Myles Bell/Ryan Kujawinski or Marko Dano
3rd: Mitchell Wheaton/Hudson Fasching or Viktor Arvidsson
3rd: Roberts Lipsbergs/Teemu Kivihalme or Juuse Saros
4th: Maxime Gravel/Cole Cassels or Niklas Hansson
5th: Dominik Kubalik/Daniel Nikandrov or Jan Stencel
6th: Axel Blomqvist/Zach Hall or Peter Cehlarik
?7th?: Jurij Repe/Taylor Cammarata or Luka Gracnar

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The Rangers have several draft picks coming in the next few weeks. Out of curiosity, who would you pick?

Give me two players that played in NA this year and one player who played overseas.

As for myself, I'll start:

3rd: Myles Bell/Ryan Kujawinski or Marko Dano
3rd: Mitchell Wheaton/Hudson Fasching or Viktor Arvidsson
3rd: Roberts Lipsbergs/Teemu Kivihalme or Juuse Saros
4th: Maxime Gravel/Cole Cassels or Niklas Hansson
5th: Dominik Kubalik/Daniel Nikandrov or Jan Stencel
6th: Axel Blomqvist/Zach Hall or Peter Cehlarik
?7th?: Jurij Repe/Taylor Cammarata or Luka Gracnar
Nice article on Moutrey
http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/jrh...050332068.html

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