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06-11-2013, 01:16 PM
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Way down on upper body strength test adjusted 4 weight: Morin. Theodore, Mantha. How do you get beat by goalies? #shame #NHL #draft

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Rychel is a tough gritty player. He did score 40 goals twice but he wasn't as prolific in the absence of Kochlachev. He certainly doesn't have elite skills.

I understand Morin is a giant but he has a long way to go, in my opinion.
Rychels skills are undderated IMO. He's got a fantastic shot, and he really knows how to get open and receive a pass. His skating is also better than advertised. It's no worse than average.

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Way down on upper body strength test adjusted 4 weight: Morin. Theodore, Mantha. How do you get beat by goalies? #shame #NHL #draft
Room for improvement I see.

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Rychels skills are undderated IMO. He's got a fantastic shot, and he really knows how to get open and receive a pass. His skating is also better than advertised. It's no worse than average.
True that he finds the open space and has been a good finisher. Wasn't my intention to take anything away from him but I don't see the sniper or the top 6 talent at the NHL level. As far as I'm concerned, his aggressiveness will allow him to make it as a third-liner at best.

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Way down on upper body strength test adjusted 4 weight: Morin. Theodore, Mantha. How do you get beat by goalies? #shame #NHL #draft
I take offence. I'm stronger than most of the dusters on my team.

That being said, there's your knock on Mantha coming back again.

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There is so many possibilities in this draft... Can't wait to see! This draft could change the entire franchise in a few years.

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Would you guys be satisfied if Montreal ends up with Burakowsky, Poirier, Buchnevich and Jarry as opposed to the likes of Rychel, Hartman, McCarron?
Well, if you switch Buchnevich with McCarron, I'd be making a mess in my pants.

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Room for improvement I see.
Or lack of commitment? You know you're on the radar for scouts and you get drafted into the Q but you don't hit the gym? Come on, kids.

Ironically, I want nothing to do with all 3 of those players and this just further entrenches it in my view.

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Way down on upper body strength test adjusted 4 weight: Morin. Theodore, Mantha. How do you get beat by goalies? #shame #NHL #draft
This wouldn't concern me at all. Tall guys need more time to develop their upper body strength.

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Or lack of commitment? You know you're on the radar for scouts and you get drafted into the Q but you don't hit the gym? Come on, kids.

Ironically, I want nothing to do with all 3 of those players and this just further entrenches it in my view.
Just being positive They may be trying to catch up with the growth spurt, big boys develop slower.

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Well, if you switch Buchnevich with McCarron, I'd be making a mess in my pants.
And I believe you might get what you wish for if Bergevin follows his and the organization's motto of balance.

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06-11-2013, 01:50 PM
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After doing my mock, I'd say the things I took from it are.

-25 likely comes down to Rychel or Burakowsky. If both are gone, chances are another forward higher on my list, or a falling D is available.
-Hartman and Gauthier are two guys I don't consider great fits for us, but I think they go ahead of our pick anyway.
-I think there's a D run between 25 and 34. This means we might not get the D we want, but I think it's likely Klimchuk, Poirier, and Buchnevich are all still on the board.
-Worst case for me is if Hartman and Gauthier slip and they are clear BPA.

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But he's certainly not "slow as molasses"

I think phillytennis is Bob COle in that he watches different games than the rest of us.
WeTHreeKings...is a poor judge of speed. You probably think driving 90 KM an hour
on the 401 (highway) is fast. Mike McCarron is big and SLOW. That's it that's all!
Dickinson is a better pick if we want size without losing speed...or try Gauthier.
I would consider McCarron at 55 or 71...no sooner than that.

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After doing my mock, I'd say the things I took from it are.

-25 likely comes down to Rychel or Burakowsky. If both are gone, chances are another forward higher on my list, or a falling D is available.
-Hartman and Gauthier are two guys I don't consider great fits for us, but I think they go ahead of our pick anyway.
-I think there's a D run between 25 and 34. This means we might not get the D we want, but I think it's likely Klimchuk, Poirier, and Buchnevich are all still on the board.
-Worst case for me is if Hartman and Gauthier slip and they are clear BPA.
Trust me...there will be better players available at 25 than Rychel and Burakowsky.
I would be surprised if Hartman is not available...or McCoshen...or Mantha.
I certainly want Dauphin and Poirier at 34 and 36...if either is not available...go with Dickinson or Petan.

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06-11-2013, 02:17 PM
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Trust me...there will be better players available at 25 than Rychel and Burakowsky.
I would be surprised if Hartman is not available...or McCoshen...or Mantha.
I certainly want Dauphin and Poirier at 34 and 36...if either is not available...go with Dickinson or Petan.
In my mock we got McCoshen and Dickinson at 34 and 36. Both Hartman and Mantha went ahead of 25.

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06-11-2013, 02:19 PM
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I have said this many times and I will say it again. If you want a mix of size, grit, speed and offensive ability, take Jacob De La Rose at #36. People are worried about De La rOse's offensive upside but would go for McCarron? Dickinson may have a higher ceiling but has a much lower chance of reaching it then De La Rose. His numbers were pretty bad too.

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I am getting giddy thinking that we may have a choice of McCarron, Dickinson, Bailey, Poirier, Dauphin and De La Rose at 34 and 36. Would be amazing to get two guys with power forward upside.

I am hoping for Burakovsky at 25 right now unless there is a crazy faller.

Due to the depth between 10 and 40, I think it is safe to assume that we will get 3 guys who are top 20 on Timmins' list.

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06-11-2013, 02:37 PM
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That's what I think too.

And about the comment where we must keep our identity as a fast team, well, our speed didn't help a whole lot so far... we must add power to complement that speed, cause we won't win anything without PF...
In adding size, we don't compromise with regards to speed. Vasculio...it isn't difficult to understand. We need players with skill, speed, character and size. Remember, some players are big and play small (like Moen) and sometimes you have small players (like Gallagher or Marchand) who play big.

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There's a lot of talk about Burakowsky on this board. Not sure where all the love is from, he had a disappointing season based on pre-season expectations and didn't exactly stand out at any of the other competitions for me. I've had several chances to watch him online and he can make some nice plays but he isn't dominant by any means and the plays he makes often don't even create chances.

I'm not saying he's a bad pick but where is all this hype coming from? Has anyone watched him enough to give me a some feedback? Did something happen that I totally missed?

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There's a lot of talk about Burakowsky on this board. Not sure where all the love is from, he had a disappointing season based on pre-season expectations and didn't exactly stand out at any of the other competitions for me. I've had several chances to watch him online and he can make some nice plays but he isn't dominant by any means and the plays he makes often don't even create chances.

I'm not saying he's a bad pick but where is all this hype coming from? Has anyone watched him enough to give me a some feedback? Did something happen that I totally missed?
Yeah I'm with you. I asked to have it explained to me a few pages (or threads) ago and it still didn't do much to move me. I think there's a serious Swede infatuation on this board, for some reason Roughly a billion of them got picked in the mock draft.

It's not that I dislike him, I just don't see where the excitement comes from. He seems like the kind of guy that does a lot of things pretty well and nothing great.

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06-11-2013, 03:05 PM
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I see the draft playing out a little like this:

1. Colorado - Nathan MacKinnon
2. Florida - Seth Jones
3. Tampa - Jonathan Drouin
4. Nashville - Aleksander Barkov
5. Carolina - Darnell Nurse
6. Calgary - Sean Monahan
7. Edmonton - Elias Lindholm
8. Buffalo - Valeri Nichushkin
9. New Jersey - Hunter Shinkaruk
10 Dallas - Bo Horvat
11. Philadelphia - Rasmus Ristolainen
12. Phoenix - Alexander Wennberg
13. Winnipeg - Nikita Zadorov
14. Columbus - Max Domi
15. Islanders - Curtis Lazar
16. Buffalo - Ryan Pulock
17. Ottawa - Anthony Mantha
18. Detroit - Valentin Zykov
19. Columbus - Josh Morrissey
20. Toronto - Frederik Gauthier
21. San Jose - Andre Burakovsky
22. Calgary - Samuel Morin
23. Washington - Kerby Rychel
24. Vancouver - Adam Erne
25. Montreal - Ryan Hartman
26. Anaheim - JT Compher
27. Columbus - Morgan Klimchuk
28. Calgary - Zach Fucale
29. Dallas - Madison Bowey
30. Chicago - Robert Hagg
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31. Florida - Mirco Muller
32. Colorado - Steve Santini
33. Tampa - Nic Petan
34. Montreal - Ian McCoshen
35. Carolina - Michael McCarron
36. Montreal - Jacob De La Rose
37. Edmonton - Chris Bigras
38. Buffalo - Tom Vanelli
39. New Jersey - Laurent Dauphin
40. Dallas - Pavel Buchnevich
41. Philadelphia - Dillon Heatherington
42. Phoenix - Jason Dickinson
43. Winnipeg - Shea Theodore
44. Columbus - Emile Poirier
45. Anaheim - Connor Hurley
46. Minnesota - Jimmy Lodge
47. St. Louis - William Carrier
48. Detroit - Arturri Lekhonen
49. San Jose - Keaton Thompson
50. San Jose - Marko Dano
51. Toronto - Tristan Jarry
52. Buffalo - Oliver Bjokstrand
53. Washington - Justin Bailey
54. Dallas - Zach Nastasiuk
55. Montreal - Marc-Olivier Roy
56. Edmonton - Eric Comrie
57. Los Angeles - Nick Sorensen
58. San Jose - Anthony Duclair
59. Winnipeg - Brett Pesce
60. Boston - Eric Roy
61. Winnipeg - Adam Tambellini

Thoughts?

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There's a lot of talk about Burakowsky on this board. Not sure where all the love is from, he had a disappointing season based on pre-season expectations and didn't exactly stand out at any of the other competitions for me. I've had several chances to watch him online and he can make some nice plays but he isn't dominant by any means and the plays he makes often don't even create chances.

I'm not saying he's a bad pick but where is all this hype coming from? Has anyone watched him enough to give me a some feedback? Did something happen that I totally missed?
Im on the same page as you.

Its the "boom or bust: that everyones hoping for. He has a lot of potential but is a risk. i see a lot of "bust" in him.

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Yeah I'm with you. I asked to have it explained to me a few pages (or threads) ago and it still didn't do much to move me. I think there's a serious Swede infatuation on this board, for some reason Roughly a billion of them got picked in the mock draft.

It's not that I dislike him, I just don't see where the excitement comes from. He seems like the kind of guy that does a lot of things pretty well and nothing great.
All I really know is that

A) I was very impressed with Jacob de la Rose whenever I've seen him.
B) de la Rose and Burakowsky were great together at last years U18.
C) de la Rose is viewed as a two-way center, while Burakowsky is viewed as an offensive minded winger with great size, which I believe to be a better fit for this team.
D) The general consensus is that Burakowsky is a superior prospect to de la Rose.
E) Burakowsky is also likely to go right around our first round.


Really wish there was more tape of him out there.

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All I really know is that

A) I was very impressed with Jacob de la Rose whenever I've seen him.
B) de la Rose and Burakowsky were great together at last years U18.
C) de la Rose is viewed as a two-way center, while Burakowsky is viewed as an offensive minded winger with great size, which I believe to be a better fit for this team.
D) The general consensus is that Burakowsky is a superior prospect to de la Rose.
E) Burakowsky is also likely to go right around our first round.


Really wish there was more tape of him out there.
A) Agreed.
B) Agreed.
C) Half Agreed. De La Rose has a lot of tools to work with. Hands, speed, shot, hands... He is also great defensively and physicaly. I see a Backes playing style and potential but Burakowsky is more offensive.
D) Mehh... more potential but more risk but yes general consencus is he is better.
E) Agreed, although a team may take the chance earlier.

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http://lastwordonsports.com/2013/05/...er-profile-25/

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A) Agreed.
B) Agreed.
C) Half Agreed. De La Rose has a lot of tools to work with. Hands, speed, shot, hands... He is also great defensively and physicaly. I see a Backes playing style and potential but Burakowsky is more offensive.
D) Mehh... more potential but more risk but yes general consencus is he is better.
E) Agreed, although a team may take the chance earlier.

http://lastwordonsports.com/2013/05/...er-profile-34/

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I can back this up, he does in fact have both hands.

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