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06-11-2013, 01:41 PM
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Plenty of people have understood what you were getting at, they just disagreed on your assessment that $30M gets you the 3rd overall.
Fair enough...I tend to believe it does, as the savings could net you a bigger fish.

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Guys, learn to read. He's suggesting that Tampa can't afford to buy out Vinny's contract so a team (in this case it's a coincidence it's Montreal) would trade for him and buy him out themselves. This isn't a typical Lecavalier to Montreal trade proposal. There's obviously an assumption that Vinny would want to buyout Vinny's contract and he's not the first to bring it up.
And the larger (and simpler) question would then be why does Vinny accept a trade where he leaves the city he loves, doesn't play for his hometown team and has less guaranteed money?

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Multiple people also said it's the worst Lecavalier to Montreal proposal they've ever read.
Which is why I didn't respond to your post. I responded to the post that contained the phrase finally someone gets it.

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Fair enough...I tend to believe it does, as the savings could net you a bigger fish.
You don't think Drouin is a big enough fish?

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Multiple people also said it's the worst Lecavalier to Montreal proposal they've ever read.
We get the premise just fine. End of the day, it's still junk for Lecavalier with a little bit of extra thrown in for the 3rd overall pick. And all based on the idea that the Lightning cannot afford to either keep Lecavalier or get rid of him without accepting said junk. That makes it among the worst Lecavalier to Montreal proposals we've ever read. The fact that Montreal doesn't end up keeping Vinny is really irrelevant to TB fans, it's still bad.

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Habs don't have that kind of money to pull this off.

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And the larger (and simpler) question would then be why does Vinny accept a trade where he leaves the city he loves, doesn't play for his hometown team and has less guaranteed money?
Vinny has two choices:

Get bought out by Tampa and hurt the team

or

Get bought out by another team that can afford it and help both teams


...either way, he gets bought out (if Tampa decides to do the buyout, he has no choice in the matter, so I'm leaving the option of them continuing to pay him for the next 7 years out)...he'll do it.

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Get bought out by another team that can afford it and help both teams
How exactly is giving up the 3rd overall pick helping the Lighting?

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Vinny has two choices:

Get bought out by Tampa and hurt the team

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Get bought out by another team that can afford it and help both teams


...either way, he gets bought out (if Tampa decides to do the buyout, he has no choice in the matter, so I'm leaving the option of them continuing to pay him for the next 7 years out)...he'll do it.
The third option (and the only one based in reality) is that he stays with the Lightning.

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You don't think Drouin is a big enough fish?
Not with the Lecavalier contract still on the books (if the don't buy him out) or with the 30 million they lose (if they do buy him out)...just say for a moment they make the trade; they still get a late 1st in a monster draft, some small pieces, and save 30 mill in cash that they can use to lure some of the big fish already in the NHL pond to Tampa...worth Drouin?...absolutely.

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How exactly is giving up the 3rd overall pick helping the Lighting?
Apparently our only option involves majorly angering the fans, and hurting the on-ice product. Makes perfect sense.

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06-11-2013, 01:57 PM
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Apparently our only option involves majorly angering the fans, and hurting the on-ice product. Make perfect sense.
This

The option to buy Lecavalier out will still be there when he is actually deserving of a buy out. Right now he isn't.

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06-11-2013, 02:00 PM
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Not with the Lecavalier contract still on the books (if the don't buy him out)
That makes no sense. What does Lecavalier's contract have to do with whether or not Drouin is better than, or close to as good as UFA options?

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So, instead of paying Vinny and Drouin 11 million over the next 3 years, the lighting should trade them away and try to find 2 or 3 players in free agency with that 11 million? Who do you suggest that they pick up with the 11 million that would help Tampa more than those two would? Vinny is overpaid but it's not like he's a useless pylon out there.

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I'm a Habs fan and this is still an embarrassing proposal to me.

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Guys, learn to read. He's suggesting that Tampa can't afford to buy out Vinny's contract so a team (in this case it's a coincidence it's Montreal) would trade for him and buy him out themselves. This isn't a typical Lecavalier to Montreal trade proposal. There's obviously an assumption that Vinny would want to buyout Vinny's contract and he's not the first to bring it up.
>Stupid proposal

>Everyone says the proposal is stupid

>"Guys, learn to read"

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06-11-2013, 02:18 PM
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Haha at both the proposal and the suggestion that Stamkos is the "face of the franchise". People outside of Tampa Bay really don't get how important Lecavalier is to the Bay Area.

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06-11-2013, 02:31 PM
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Not with the Lecavalier contract still on the books (if the don't buy him out) or with the 30 million they lose (if they do buy him out)...just say for a moment they make the trade; they still get a late 1st in a monster draft, some small pieces, and save 30 mill in cash that they can use to lure some of the big fish already in the NHL pond to Tampa...worth Drouin?...absolutely.
Lecavalier to Montreal threads have been happening with more then monthly regularity for the past 5 years or so and Tampa isn't interested in what you're selling. It doesn't matter what the rationalizations are and how you twist things around, they aren't interested. Seriously.

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06-11-2013, 02:33 PM
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Steve Yzerman isn't an idiot, cmon now.
*eyes defense and goaltending*

I dunno about that. Anywho, this is a horrible deal for Tampa.

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06-11-2013, 03:57 PM
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Wow there are a lot of ********** in here who have no idea how to communicate. I wonder what you guys do in your day jobs. Jeez

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Let's get real for a moment, Why would LeCavalier accept a trade to Montreal knowing full well that Montreal was going to buy him out and why would Montreal want to eat 2/3 of Vinnys salary over what would be the next 14 to 16 years. Vinny would never accept such a move and Yzerman would never do that to him talking about hurt feelings all around. Vincent LeCavalier, Steven Stamkos and Martin St Louis are the reason why Tampa Bay fills the seats during the season if we get rid of our captain that all changes big time. Sorry but Vinny would never accept a move to Montreal know that he would get boughout and forget about even thinking then that Vinny would ever play for his Hometown Canadians that would never happen.
Because he'd be immediately able to sign a new deal with Tampa for 5 mil a year on top of getting a massive lump sum for being bought out?

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06-11-2013, 04:08 PM
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Not with the Lecavalier contract still on the books (if the don't buy him out) or with the 30 million they lose (if they do buy him out)...just say for a moment they make the trade; they still get a late 1st in a monster draft, some small pieces, and save 30 mill in cash that they can use to lure some of the big fish already in the NHL pond to Tampa...worth Drouin?...absolutely.
You're posts are some of the worst I have ever seen. Tampa doesn't want to trade or buyout Vinny. You are doing them no favors at all. You are just trying to steal the 3rd overall pick from them.
Vinny is still a 60-70 point player. So he's overpaid by about 2.1 million a season on average currently. What players can Tampa get for the price of Drouin and Vinny that will produce better then those two?


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Wow there are a lot of ********** in here who have no idea how to communicate. I wonder what you guys do in your day jobs. Jeez
>Gets inherent fallacy in argument pointed out

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>Accuses everyone else of not knowing how to communicate

Can we just close this stupid thread already?

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You're posts are some of the worst I have ever seen. Tampa doesn't want to trade or buyout Vinny. You are doing them no favors at all. You are just trying to steal the 3rd overall pick from them.
Vinny is still a 60-70 point player. So he's overpaid by about 2.1 million a season on average currently. What players can Tampa get for the price of Drouin and Vinny that will produce better then those two?
OK, first it's "your posts"; if you're (notice the correct usage) going to slag my posts, fix your own...next, Vinny hasn't even scored 60 points in 3 years; for his salary & cap hit, you can probably get both Richards & Iginla next year (around 3 for Richards & 4 for Iggy) to more than make up the loss...and lastly, in my opinion, a 30 million dollar savings is worth Drouin...how hard is this to figure out?

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06-11-2013, 04:54 PM
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How about

Galagher + 55 overall + kaberle + thrower vs lecavalier + 3 overall

Tb save 30 mil and get a stud kid that have strong chance to win the Calder and get a young dman that was a 2 round last year and that he has been declare a steel from mtl that late and get the 55 overall in a deep draft and get kaberle who they will probably by out but for cheap !!

Mtl get a good pick in 3 overall but have to eat lecavalier salary for a long time ... Lecavalier would be a fan favourite in mtl

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I'd do this trade in a heartbeat from Montreal's POV. We get a big centre good for maybe 60 point in a full season, which will give us centers of Pleks-Vinny-Eller, and gives Galchenyuk another year to develop on the wing. Plus, the #3 overall pick guarantees us one of Jones, Mackinnon, and Drouin. On top of that, we get rid of Desharnais, and have 33,34,36,55 in round 2.

If this was offered to Montreal, Bergevin says yes then goes off and cements his status as a god in Montreal.

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