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06-11-2013, 09:26 PM
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Rangers need a legit #1 LW, and at least one bottom 6 guy.

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Even if we are in the market for another D-man, would Dustin Buffalowing be the best option? We can buy-out Richards and save 6 million on the cap. Let's not waste it on a guy who will get bottom-pair minutes.

I'd prefer we look to strengthen our weak left wing-department. Who do we have besides Hagelin? RW is set with Nash, Zuccarello, Callahan and Dorsett. On the left we have Hagelin and Kreider. Both are 2nd line material, tops.

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Rangers need a legit #1 LW, and at least one bottom 6 guy.
I don't think there is an agreement on what the team needs.
I have seen proposals for Yakupov who is a RW, or Burmi who is a C.
Who do you suggest for a LW?

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would like to see MDZ dangled as part of a package for J.Thornton he might be slowing but a 20 goal 6'4/222 lb power center that leads the league (in 2011) in takeaways is pretty nice to give more breathing room for Brassard+stepan+JT Miller who should be kept as a pivot.

lines I'd like to see---

Nash--J.Thornton-Callahan

Kreider-Stepan-Artukhin(remember him)?

Clowe--Brassard-Dorsett

Haley-J.T.Miller-Boyle

I don't expect huge things from JThornton but he has a nice combo of strength and it being a contract year so he'll motivated to win big(think cup).

Faceoffs, playmaking and the necessary point per game ability that's been missing when stepan isn't on the ice.

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McD---Gryba(get him for Mashinter_+Pyatt)

Staal--Gilroy(speed!!!!_)

Moore--Girardi(potential all star duo

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06-12-2013, 12:40 AM
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Career production
DZ: .44 points/game
Burmi: .30 points/game

That's quite a difference.

They are both 22, so age shouldn't be a deciding factor.
He is a career 43% on FO, quite low for a C.
Burmi's production is closer to Brian Boyle (0.27 points/game) than DZ. And Boyle is bigger, better FO man and clutch in the playoffs.

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Burnmistrov is 21. He was drafted in 2010. Del Zotto is nearly 23, he was drafted in 2008.

Burmi isn't comparable to Boyle at all. He's an extremely gifted player and is quite good in all three zones. Great hands, smart player, good learner.

Winnipeg/Atlanta isn't exactly an organization well known for player development. I think he could easily come here and break out to the tune of 50 points, while providing excellent puck possession skills and a unique two-way game.

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Burnmistrov is 21. He was drafted in 2010. Del Zotto is nearly 23, he was drafted in 2008.

Burmi isn't comparable to Boyle at all. He's an extremely gifted player and is quite good in all three zones. Great hands, smart player, good learner.

Winnipeg/Atlanta isn't exactly an organization well known for player development. I think he could easily come here and break out to the tune of 50 points, while providing excellent puck possession skills and a unique two-way game.
He is an extremely gifted player that hasn't cracked the 30 point plateau yet?
And he could as easily come here and be stuck in the 30 point range.
I can see the potential that you are referring to, but is it worth trading a proven commodity for it? I am not in that camp.

Edit: And you can't deny that point production wise, Burmi and Boyle are in the same league.

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He is an extremely gifted player that hasn't cracked the 30 point plateau yet?
And he could as easily come here and be stuck in the 30 point range.
I can see the potential that you are referring to, but is it worth trading a proven commodity for it? I am not in that camp.
It wouldn't be straight up. Winnipeg would add something, perhaps Postma/Stuart and a pick.

The Rangers need skill up front, and adding another top-9 C with Burmistrov's skill level could provide a huge lift offensively over the next few seasons.

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would like to see MDZ dangled as part of a package for J.Thornton he might be slowing but a 20 goal 6'4/222 lb power center that leads the league (in 2011) in takeaways is pretty nice to give more breathing room for Brassard+stepan+JT Miller who should be kept as a pivot.

lines I'd like to see---

Nash--J.Thornton-Callahan

Kreider-Stepan-Artukhin(remember him)?

Clowe--Brassard-Dorsett

Haley-J.T.Miller-Boyle

I don't expect huge things from JThornton but he has a nice combo of strength and it being a contract year so he'll motivated to win big(think cup).

Faceoffs, playmaking and the necessary point per game ability that's been missing when stepan isn't on the ice.

on Defense


McD---Gryba(get him for Mashinter_+Pyatt)

Staal--Gilroy(speed!!!!_)

Moore--Girardi(potential all star duo

Eminger-stralman(spares
..........Gilroy? You lost ALL credibility there.

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It wouldn't be straight up. Winnipeg would add something, perhaps Postma/Stuart and a pick.

The Rangers need skill up front, and adding another top-9 C with Burmistrov's skill level could provide a huge lift offensively over the next few seasons.
Sure they do, but not another small center. They need a winger with size.

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Sure they do, but not another small center. They need a winger with size.
Burmistrov is small-ish, but he's not a pushover. He is stronger on the puck than most 6'3 players are.

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Burmistrov is small-ish, but he's not a pushover. He is stronger on the puck than most 6'3 players are.
I've seem him play.
Smallish players that play bigger than their size get injured more often than not.
i want to say i'd rather take Lindberg, but I haven't seen him play yet. He has actual size instead of perceived size.

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Defenseman like Dan Girardi have a shelf life before they get too old or too banged up to be effective. He hasn't reached that point yet. If the Rangers trade for Big Buff, it's to compliment a defensive group with Girardi, not replace him.
I agree with all this (although I am not sold on Big Buff's shelf life nor on how good he really is at playing hockey besides fireing the puck when he got Enström feeding it to him), but, Girardi is tremendously important part of our lockerroom.

I basically feel that you can't deal him.

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I've seem him play.
Smallish players that play bigger than their size get injured more often than not.
i want to say i'd rather take Lindberg, but I haven't seen him play yet. He has actual size instead of perceived size.
Burmistrov is more Zetterberg/Datsyuk/Bäckström small than Prucha small if you get what I mean. You never know, but I see no increased injury risk in Burmistrov.

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There are pros and cons with every player. Buf's cons worry me. We're not talking about a 2 year investment here. A player flirting around with a 6M dollar cap hit should be obsessed with his conditioning. The long-term aspect makes me wonder if he's worth the risk.

I'd shop elsewhere, if I am in fact shopping.
Boom, I couldn't agree more.

There is a tendency in the NHL to hang out players and trash them left and right. Guys like Olli Jokinen can be called "super cancer in the lockerroom" 10 times in 2 minutes at TSN, for whatever reason.

But I think its completely mindboggling that a player like Big Buff can "get fat" during the off-season. I loose words when I hear about an athleet making $5,000,000/year who starts dunking burgers when the season ends...

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Burnmistrov is 21. He was drafted in 2010. Del Zotto is nearly 23, he was drafted in 2008.

Burmi isn't comparable to Boyle at all. He's an extremely gifted player and is quite good in all three zones. Great hands, smart player, good learner.

Winnipeg/Atlanta isn't exactly an organization well known for player development. I think he could easily come here and break out to the tune of 50 points, while providing excellent puck possession skills and a unique two-way game.
This is what I wrote on Burmistrov about a year ago after watching HFD play St. Johns (over at their board):
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Rangerfan who saw the game. Burmistov made HFD look like fools. He showed great playmaking ability. He will be a serious health threat to the "shoot-the-puck"-fans but he definitely seem like a future 70+ pts player in the NHL. He is so smooth at handling the puck, making sure he gets time with it, and finding people. Not many players can do that at that level...
Burmistrov has potential. I wouldn't say that he doesn't have bust potential either (hence I would be reluctant to deal MDZ for him), he got alot of upside for sure.

Another comment on Burmistrov from a Jets fan on the same game:
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Burmistrov is more Zetterberg/Datsyuk/Bäckström small than Prucha small if you get what I mean. You never know, but I see no increased injury risk in Burmistrov.
I do, impressive names, but they are all bigger than him weight wise.
To the larger point, DZ is the fashinable name to trade.
i have seen offers of DZ+3rd for Burmi+Postma.
Sorry, that's a 50% discount on DZ.

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Ola, can you fill us in on Calle Andresson, I think you watch him more than most people here. He was supposed to come here next season, but now it appears he is 2 years late in his development, why is that?

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I do, impressive names, but they are all bigger than him weight wise.
To the larger point, DZ is the fashinable name to trade.
i have seen offers of DZ+3rd for Burmi+Postma.
Sorry, that's a 50% discount on DZ.
Yeah, I have not seen alot of Burmistrov, and while I like what I have seen, I can't help but to fear that there are "bust" potential too. Why hasn't he put up more pts in the AHL? The OHL? Could he bolt to the KHL?

Hence, I am not sold on dealing MDZ straight up for him.

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Ola, can you fill us in on Calle Andresson, I think you watch him more than most people here. He was supposed to come here next season, but now it appears he is 2 years late in his development, why is that?
He is a big smart kid. I think he was a very good pick.

Eliteprospects description of him is pretty good:
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I think the key here is his authority and smarts. When he played in rookie camp for us, and when he has played junior hockey in Sweden, he justs steps out on the ice and scores a bunch of easy goals without in any way dominate with end-to-end rushes or something like that. 27 pts in 22 games in the top junior league in Sweden is impressive, and if I remember correctly he scored a bunch of goals during scrimmages last summer at rookie camp.

He is still very youngish so to speak on the ice though, so I don't think 2 years in anyway is a long time frame to give him. Some kids are fully developed and slimmed down when they are 18. Some kids have no mucle when they are 18. Andersson is at 212 lbs, but that is definitely not all muscle, but more like "babyfat" in lack of a better word. That is what is holding him back. The explosiveness is just not there yet. I think he is more of a kid who will arrive when he is 24-25 y/o, not 21-22 y/o. I just think it has more to do with how he physically has developed and how he is built. Somehow, we gotta lock him up though so that we don't loose his rights. Give him two years in the SEL, then sign him and lend him to the SEL for another year. That's still only 3 years and a little on the short side. The SEL is a good league, he will develop well in that league.



Talented. Good size. Smart kid. Raw. Still very raw.


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We all know Shea Weber has said he’s happy in Nashville with the remaking of the Predators, but he does not have a no-trade clause. If Weber is available in late July — the one-year anniversary of his signing the 14-year deal — and I’m not saying general manager David Poile is trying to trade him, he will be getting plenty of phone calls. If he’s inclined to listen, you can bet the Predators will force the team wanting Weber in a trade to also pay back a healthy chunk of the $13-million signing bonus the captain is due July 1. How much? Who knows? The Edmonton Oilers can’t toss their seventh overall pick at Nashville at the entry draft on June 30. As we’ve said, Weber cannot be traded until about a month after the draft
First of all, I think it would be extremely hard for anyone to take on Weber's contract and cap hit, and still manage to compensate Nashville financially (by keeping some of the salary and cap hit of the players they give up (you gotta take on both)).

And its mostly just speculation, but if Weber became available what would we be prepared to give up?

It would make a ton of sense for us to get a right handed top D who can PP. At the same time, Weber has an insane shot and hence gets alot of pts. But how good is he really defensively and offensively when not firing away pucks from the blueline? Is he Pronger II or McCabe de lux?

What would it take to get him? Many teams would want him, but how many could top an offer of:
Marc Staal -- Established cheaper Nr 1 D.
Chris Kreider -- Top prospect.
Anton Strålman -- Cheaper roster player.

Our blueline would all of a sudden have a completely new dimension with Weber (not to mention our PP):
MDZ-Weber
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Moore-McIlrath

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Burmistrov is a very interesting kid. Great skill with the puck, great takeaway ability, good speed and agility, and doesn't shy away from physical contact. Wouldn't trade Del Zotto straight up for him, but if they added a piece I'd really consider it. He could move to wing if necessary.

I don't think we have to focus so much on a winger with size. We just need a winger who can score consistently. I don't care if he's 5'8 or 6'5.

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would like to see MDZ dangled as part of a package for J.Thornton he might be slowing but a 20 goal 6'4/222 lb power center that leads the league (in 2011) in takeaways is pretty nice to give more breathing room for Brassard+stepan+JT Miller who should be kept as a pivot.

lines I'd like to see---

Nash--J.Thornton-Callahan

Kreider-Stepan-Artukhin(remember him)?

Clowe--Brassard-Dorsett

Haley-J.T.Miller-Boyle

I don't expect huge things from JThornton but he has a nice combo of strength and it being a contract year so he'll motivated to win big(think cup).

Faceoffs, playmaking and the necessary point per game ability that's been missing when stepan isn't on the ice.

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Staal--Gilroy(speed!!!!_)

Moore--Girardi(potential all star duo

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You mean that Russian guy who is as dumb as he is big? Please no.

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And I would very much trade assets for a forward before a dman.

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Burmistrov is a very interesting kid. Great skill with the puck, great takeaway ability, good speed and agility, and doesn't shy away from physical contact. Wouldn't trade Del Zotto straight up for him, but if they added a piece I'd really consider it. He could move to wing if necessary.

I don't think we have to focus so much on a winger with size. We just need a winger who can score consistently. I don't care if he's 5'8 or 6'5.
Burmistrov is intriguing because he is already a very good defensive player. To me, if the player is that good defensively and shows flashes of good offense, that normally means they will put it together. Defensive skills normally mean high hockey IQ which normally translates to the offensive end with time.

I know the Rangers need offense, but if they are high on Thomas and Fast and want to keep Callahan and Hagelin, they need to add size somewhere.

Nash and Kreider are a good start. Miller is thick. Stepan and Brassard are not small guys. Lindberg is pretty thick as well.

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