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06-11-2013, 08:03 PM
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Pittsburgh are probably looking for younger D so we'd probably be looking for a puck moving D-man + futures.

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06-11-2013, 08:10 PM
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Wow, this may have been the dumbest responce on here. Let's break this down:

1. Remember the Staal deal last year? Letang will get a return better than that.
2. 7th overall plus a prospect that just bolted for the KHL isn't fair. The very idea is just laughable.
3. Letang can agree to a deal before the draft, then sign it after. Look at what Crosby did last year, he agreed to the deal like a week before he could sign it
4. He is a Norris finalist. You aren't going to get one for a #7 pick and a busting prospect (Oilers fans told me he sucked after I made the proposal)
5. Take off your Oilers glasses, please. Your homerism is disgusting.

Your post is why people in the NHL laugh at this board. "Oh, I'll give you a draft pick and a prospect that bolted for Russia for 2 years for a Norris finalist. Deal?" It's pathetic. Look at the Staal return last year. He got Sutter, Dumoulin and the 8th overall pick. Letang>Staal. Why would Letang get a lower return?

This is just another case of people overrating prospects on this website. A Norris candidate is worth far more than a decent prospect and a high pick. Schultz isn't that valuable, he is only a PP specialist at this point.
THANK YOU. I swear oilers fans seem to think they have suuuuch a solid team that they shouldnt move anybody. The fact is that something along the lines of yak for letang would be more realistic

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06-11-2013, 08:35 PM
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THANK YOU. I swear oilers fans seem to think they have suuuuch a solid team that they shouldnt move anybody. The fact is that something along the lines of yak for letang would be more realistic
I wouldn't do that from a Pens POV, not because it isn't fair value, but we would need a D coming back. That brings us back to my original proposal, an extended Letang for Schultz, Musil and the 7th overall pick.

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06-11-2013, 08:37 PM
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I wouldn't do that from a Pens POV, not because it isn't fair value, but we would need a D coming back. That brings us back to my original proposal, an extended Letang for Schultz, Musil and the 7th overall pick.
As someone already pointed out, Letang can't be extended until after the draft.

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06-11-2013, 08:42 PM
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As someone already pointed out, Letang can't be extended until after the draft.
They can agree on a deal before the draft. Quick and Crosby both did it last year. They just couldn't sign the deal until July 1st.

Letang could accept a deal with the Oilers at the draft, but not sign it until July 5th or whenever it gets signed. That's perfectly fine.

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06-11-2013, 09:34 PM
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the hype around Staal was something else. Letang is not as good as player as Staal.


I just dont think he is going to garner the return ppl are mentioning on this thread, thats all.
Yeah, I know he is a much better player than him in a position that is A LOT harder to fill...

Good grief this place.

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06-11-2013, 09:53 PM
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Tang is:
25 years old
point per game defenseman
Norris Trophy nominee this season
His offensive and transition game is rivaled by only Karlsson.

Sure his D isn't always up to par but it can still improve with age. He can easily get $7+ a year. And if traded, he will fetch a larger return than Staal.

I think it would be stupid to trade him, but if the cap requires some casualties, the Pens' deep pool of great D prospects makes him more expandable than say, Malkin.

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06-11-2013, 09:58 PM
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Tang is:
25 years old
point per game defenseman
Norris Trophy nominee this season
His offensive and transition game is rivaled by only Karlsson.

Sure his D isn't always up to par but it can still improve with age. He can easily get $7+ a year. And if traded, he will fetch a larger return than Staal.

I think it would be stupid to trade him, but if the cap requires some casualties, the Pens' deep pool of great D prospects makes him more expandable than say, Malkin.
He's 26, and it's a bit rich to call him a PPG defenseman in a shortened season when he only played, what? 35 games? If he did it in a full season, by all means, call him that, but we aren't even talking about half an NHL season here. I'm not someone who would toss out a shortened season, but a little context is important. The most he has scored in an 82 game season is like 50 points.

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06-11-2013, 10:02 PM
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He's 26, and it's a bit rich to call him a PPG defenseman in a shortened season when he only played, what? 35 games? If he did it in a full season, by all means, call him that, but we aren't even talking about half an NHL season here. I'm not someone who would toss out a shortened season, but a little context is important. The most he has scored in an 82 game season is like 50 points.
He has 80 points in the last 86 games, so he's essentially a PPG defenseman. Either way, he has a ton of value. He will get a better return than Staal did, I think everyone can agree on that.

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06-11-2013, 10:09 PM
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Letang will be traded to Edmonton. It makes too much sense. Don't tell me that Edmonton already has their Letang with Shultz. Not even close. I think it will be Eberle + for Letang +.

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06-11-2013, 10:14 PM
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Letang will be traded to Edmonton. It makes too much sense. Don't tell me that Edmonton already has their Letang with Shultz. Not even close. I think it will be Eberle + for Letang +.
Pens don't need a $6 million winger, and Schultz would have to be a part of the deal. I'm still standing by my deal of Letang with an extension for Schultz, Musil and the 7th overall pick. It makes sense. Pens get a good prospect, a OFD to replace Letang and a high pick. Oilers get a Norris finalist under contract. Mirrors the Staal deal.

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06-11-2013, 10:18 PM
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Pens don't need a $6 million winger, and Schultz would have to be a part of the deal. I'm still standing by my deal of Letang with an extension for Schultz, Musil and the 7th overall pick. It makes sense. Pens get a good prospect, a OFD to replace Letang and a high pick. Oilers get a Norris finalist under contract. Mirrors the Staal deal.

You can stand by your deal, in the corner, because that is where both of you belong until you learn your lesson.

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06-11-2013, 10:21 PM
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You can stand by your deal, in the corner, because that is where both of you belong until you learn your lesson.
Please explain to me why it's such a bad deal. Go on, I'm waiting.

It's basically the Staal return, except better, since Letang is better than Staal. What makes it so bad?

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06-11-2013, 10:48 PM
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Please explain to me why it's such a bad deal. Go on, I'm waiting.

It's basically the Staal return, except better, since Letang is better than Staal. What makes it so bad?

It's basically the Staal return, but not better, even though Letang is much more valuable than Staal. Despite what happened in the playoffs, Letang was a top 5 dman in the league and has been. Staal was a very good third line center who everyone thought could be a good #2 center.

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It's basically the Staal return, but not better, even though Letang is much more valuable than Staal. Despite what happened in the playoffs, Letang was a top 5 dman in the league and has been. Staal was a very good third line center who everyone thought could be a good #2 center.
Wow, I thought you meant it was bad from the Oilers side. Just wow. Yeah, Letang is good, but how isn't that deal fair?

Schultz>Sutter
Musil>Dumoulin
7th overall this year>8th overall last year

Literally every piece coming back is better than what came back from the Staal deal. It just blows my mind that you think it's slanted towards the Pens, that's a fantastic return.

Also, Letang isn't a top-5 Dman. He just isn't. Staal was a very good 2nd line center, he showed that when Crosby was out. The difference between Staal and Letang isn't that great. Schultz has the potential to be a top-pairing PP QB (he's already a top-4 D), Musil has #2/#3 potential and the 7th overall pick would probably be someone like Monahan, Lindholm, Nurse or Nichushkin, all of which have 1st line/top-2 potential.

That would be a fantastic return. Take off your Pens homer glasses. Letang is a soon-to-be UFA who's demanding over $7 million per season. Combine that with his defensive lapses, and that makes him not get the value of other Norris finalist (Weber, Subban, ect). Pens would be happy with that return.

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06-11-2013, 11:27 PM
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Pittsburgh are probably looking for younger D so we'd probably be looking for a puck moving D-man + futures.
Why? They have Pouliot, Maata, Despres, and Harrington. They desperately need wingers in the system, they basically have Bennett and that's it.

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Might just be me but Letang isn't the type of defensemen that Oilers should be targetting. They need a hoarse. Letang is very talented its just his game isn't suited for the Oilers needs. He'd be a great for the Sharks.

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Wow, this may have been the dumbest responce on here. Let's break this down:

1. Remember the Staal deal last year? Letang will get a return better than that.
2. 7th overall plus a prospect that just bolted for the KHL isn't fair. The very idea is just laughable.
3. Letang can agree to a deal before the draft, then sign it after. Look at what Crosby did last year, he agreed to the deal like a week before he could sign it
4. He is a Norris finalist. You aren't going to get one for a #7 pick and a busting prospect (Oilers fans told me he sucked after I made the proposal)
5. Take off your Oilers glasses, please. Your homerism is disgusting.

Your post is why people in the NHL laugh at this board. "Oh, I'll give you a draft pick and a prospect that bolted for Russia for 2 years for a Norris finalist. Deal?" It's pathetic. Look at the Staal return last year. He got Sutter, Dumoulin and the 8th overall pick. Letang>Staal. Why would Letang get a lower return?

This is just another case of people overrating prospects on this website. A Norris candidate is worth far more than a decent prospect and a high pick. Schultz isn't that valuable, he is only a PP specialist at this point.


Hahahah, The Irony is just to much.


Take off the Pens Homer glasses dude, you're severly overrating Letang.



And BTW, I am not an Oilers fan. In fact I hate the team. But what you're expecting for Letang a guy the Pens are likely to lose in a year regardless is pure craziness. Almost as bad as Sabres fans and what they expect to get in return for Vanek.

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Might just be me but Letang isn't the type of defensemen that Oilers should be targetting. They need a hoarse. Letang is very talented its just his game isn't suited for the Oilers needs. He'd be a great for the Sharks.
He could work for Edmonton, but they would been a stalwart defensive guy to be his partner; Gorges from Montreal, Garrison from Vancouver, Staal from New York and etc. Thus he would be one of their future building pieces. Personally, I agree San Jose is the better fit but do they have the pieces to acquire him? I suppose a Pavelski + Demers deal could be attractive. Actually, that is a pretty solid offer.

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I don't think the Sharks are interested in adding more defensemen. They had such a log jam they moved Burns to forward, don't think they need anymore.

Seriously, if Letang is made available, I would kill for him on the Canucks. As well as being one of my favourite players, he'd be the perfect Ehrhoff replacement(ie, better than him) and is a natural righty.

If Schneider were the starting piece, what else would it take? Are any of Bieksa(physical top pairing Dman), Jensen(our top prospect, play wing), 1st, etc enticing?

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Hahahah, The Irony is just to much.


Take off the Pens Homer glasses dude, you're severly overrating Letang.



And BTW, I am not an Oilers fan. In fact I hate the team. But what you're expecting for Letang a guy the Pens are likely to lose in a year regardless is pure craziness. Almost as bad as Sabres fans and what they expect to get in return for Vanek.
You are offering question marks for an elite defenseman, bro. Sure, they might turn into a boon, however that is no guarantee and players of Letang's caliber are not dealt for maybes, not unless it's a bloody ton of them. If Edmonton wants Letang, it's almost inevitable Eberle or Yakupov are going the other way.

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I don't think the Sharks are interested in adding more defensemen. They had such a log jam they moved Burns to forward, don't think they need anymore.

Seriously, if Letang is made available, I would kill for him on the Canucks. As well as being one of my favourite players, he'd be the perfect Ehrhoff replacement(ie, better than him) and is a natural righty.

If Schneider were the starting piece, what else would it take? Are any of Bieksa(physical top pairing Dman), Jensen(our top prospect, play wing), 1st, etc enticing?
Oh I would love to have him, but unless Pittsburgh is game with Schneider we haven't the pieces. Personally, I wouldn't trade Jensen because we are going to need his low salary to help maintain a roster with a $7M Letang on it. That and I am quite high on the kid. I would go:

Schneider + Bieksa/Tanev + 1st

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Might just be me but Letang isn't the type of defensemen that Oilers should be targetting. They need a hoarse. Letang is very talented its just his game isn't suited for the Oilers needs. He'd be a great for the Sharks.
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Oh I would love to have him, but unless Pittsburgh is game with Schneider we haven't the pieces. Personally, I wouldn't trade Jensen because we are going to need his low salary to help maintain a roster with a $7M Letang on it. That and I am quite high on the kid. I would go:

Schneider + Bieksa/Tanev + 1st
I'd include Jensen because we have Kassian, but not Tanev simply because we have no one at his price either(too soon for Corrado to step up imo). Not to mention Pittsburgh has loads of young defensemen anyways.

I'd do Schneider + Bieksa + 2014 1st cond on him re-signing probably as high as I'd go given his contract status.

That or Schneider + Jensen + some other piece.

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I'd include Jensen because we have Kassian, but not Tanev simply because we have no one at his price either(too soon for Corrado to step up imo). Not to mention Pittsburgh has loads of young defensemen anyways.

I'd do Schneider + Bieksa + 2014 1st cond on him re-signing probably as high as I'd go given his contract status.

That or Schneider + Jensen + some other piece.
Pitt is in dire need of forward prospects, their cupboard is bare in that department. I would bet they'd do the 2nd one depending on if they could get rid of Fleury.

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