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06-12-2013, 09:38 AM
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Only way Col sees gardiner is if Duchene is invloved. book it

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06-12-2013, 09:40 AM
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Until further notice, Gardiner is very close to untouchable with the Leafs right now. Unless he was part of some crazy package for, say, Malkin, which ain't going to happen anyway, he isn't going anywhere.

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06-12-2013, 09:41 AM
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Only way Col sees gardiner is if Duchene is invloved. book it
Only way Toronto sees Duchene is when the Avs are coming to Toronto or if they sign Malkin next year and he is involved. book it..

Can we ban Colorado - Toronto threads in general please?
They alway end badly. Always.
There is just nothing to discuss.
The Avs are only interested in the Toronto pieces that are completely unavailable.

Just let us re-sign Stastny or trade him to a smart team at the deadline for a late 1st and a prospect.
Please!
I don't think that the Avs would be interested in Gardiner anyways.
We got way too many 1-way Ds (contract and stylewise) right now and banking on Gardiner to step in next to EJ would be kind of risky...

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06-12-2013, 09:43 AM
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Jake Gardiner has for sure had some oops moments but the way his play came around in the playoffs would suggest to anyone, rationally, that most teams would jump at him for a player like Stastny. If Im Colorado I would jump at such a trade. If Im TO, I'd be real hesitant.
I think Gardiner would have to stay healthy and have more than one good season in the NHL before he could get that type of value.

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06-12-2013, 10:03 AM
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I think Gardiner would have to stay healthy and have more than one good season in the NHL before he could get that type of value.
He was pretty darn good last year and through all the so-called turmoil this year, he ended the season pretty good. I think he's already proven what he can already contribute and he's just going to get better.

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06-12-2013, 10:15 AM
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He was pretty darn good last year and through all the so-called turmoil this year, he ended the season pretty good. I think he's already proven what he can already contribute and he's just going to get better.
A 12 game sample isn't enough to go on.

He can play a #4 role, but still has work to do on his defense.

I don't think he has enough value until he's proved he can stay healthy and put up more than on good full season.

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06-12-2013, 10:27 AM
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A 12 game sample isn't enough to go on.

He can play a #4 role, but still has work to do on his defense.

I don't think he has enough value until he's proved he can stay healthy and put up more than on good full season.
Depends on the value you're talking about. If you're talking about Stastny, he has plenty of value.

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06-12-2013, 10:28 AM
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I'd much rather have Stastny and Seth than Gardiner and Mac, and while the 2nd/MacArthur are much smaller pieces I don't like that part of the trade either.

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06-12-2013, 10:35 AM
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Deal seems much more appealing to Colorado than to Toronto, IMO. Colorado could even still take Jones here, giving them a d core of Johnson, Gardiner, and Jones -- miles better than what they have currently. They could then bump ROR up to 2C and then fill out the rest of their bottom 6 as they see fit.

I'm all for Gardiner leaving the division

All that being said, Toronto doesn't do this, I don't think. And a large part of that is the way Kadri broke out this year.
Explain to me how a core of EJ, Gardiner, Seth, Barrie, Elliott and Siemens is that much better than EJ, Seth, Barrie, Elliott and Siemens while still having 3 strong centers we can roll evenly? I like Gardiner, but with the way Barrie played and the talent Elliott has we don't need him very much, especially since we can just draft Seth to fill the only real hole we have on D next to EJ.

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06-12-2013, 11:21 AM
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I'd much rather have Stastny and Seth than Gardiner and Mac, and while the 2nd/MacArthur are much smaller pieces I don't like that part of the trade either.
...no one has asked for the #1 overall. so your analogy is deeply flawed. The question is between Stastny & Seth, or Gardiner, MacArthur & Seth.

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06-12-2013, 11:31 AM
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...no one has asked for the #1 overall. so your analogy is deeply flawed. The question is between Stastny & Seth, or Gardiner, MacArthur & Seth.
Question would be Stastny + Seth vs Mackinnon + Gardiner.

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06-12-2013, 11:44 AM
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Only way Col sees gardiner is if Duchene is invloved. book it
Only way Tor would see Duchene is if... nah, you wouldn't see Duchene no matter who you offered as a center piece. Avs do not add to Staz for Gardiner, which makes the speculation pointless.

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06-12-2013, 11:44 AM
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Proposal:

Gardiner+MacArthur for Stastny +2nd round

Colorado can then draft Mackinnon

Colorado 2013 lineup

McGinn - Duchene - Paranteau
Landeskog - Mackinnon - Jones
MacArthur- O-Reilly - Downie
Borderleau- Mitchell - Palushaj

Defence:
EJ, Hejda, Gardiner, Barrie, Elliot, Siemens, O'brien, Wilson

buyout: Zannon
Why wouldn't we just extend Bozak?

gawd...

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06-12-2013, 11:59 AM
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Only way Tor would see Duchene is if... nah, you wouldn't see Duchene no matter who you offered as a center piece. Avs do not add to Staz for Gardiner, which makes the speculation pointless.
Tor wouldnt even see Duchene if we were playing them...hes to fast

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06-12-2013, 01:47 PM
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This wouldn't work at all.

Firstly: MacArthur is a UFA who has one season of 62pts and the rest has barely broken 30pts. However I do like Gardiner.

Secondly: the Leafs are going to have a hard enough time this year signing the players they do have without Stastny's 6.6 million cap hit getting in the way. With less than 20 million to work with they'll have to share it between (Stastny, Kadri, Gunner, Franson, Komarov, and a potential #1 goalie which the Leafs fans have been begging for) not to mention if they choose to resign Bozak Kosta, McLaren, and Orr.

The leafs would have to move Grabovski to Colorado to make the room needed for Stastny which would defeat the purpose of the trade. Not to mention the fact that Stastny is younger, has more points (almost 2x reg season and 4x playoff), and a better attitude then Grabovski.

It just doesn't make sense on any front.
While I agree the trade is stupid, I like how you claim Mac has barely broken 30 points. He had over 40 points last year, was on pace for 40 this year and he'd be top 4 in scoring on the Avs last 3 seasons. Not too shabby for a guy who barely gets 30 points.

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06-12-2013, 01:58 PM
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I said this before and I will say it again. Jake Gardiner should be one of a few players on the Leafs roster that Nonis should mention as being un tradeable, so any trade that involves him should be a non starter.

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06-12-2013, 01:58 PM
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Um yeah gardiner isnt likely to be moved, I think 1 of franson/gunnar might be available if morgan can make the team out of camp but its unlikely. Toronto's d is sketch enough already I think we'll hold out for a bit at least until we see if 1 of ranger/reilly is going to play/make the team out of camp.

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06-12-2013, 02:02 PM
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A 12 game sample isn't enough to go on.

He can play a #4 role, but still has work to do on his defense.

I don't think he has enough value until he's proved he can stay healthy and put up more than on good full season.
12 games (really 18) isn't enough because you've decided that his previous 75 games are irrelevant? That's some tricky mathematics you got there.

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06-12-2013, 02:42 PM
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12 games (really 18) isn't enough because you've decided that his previous 75 games are irrelevant? That's some tricky mathematics you got there.
good call

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06-12-2013, 02:44 PM
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Mac is a UFA in 3 weeks so it's Stastny + #32 overall for Jake Gardiner.

No thanks, although Gardiner is a very attractive asset.

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Stastny isn't worth the price it would take to get him. The guy is getting paid like a 1st line center but has produced numbers like a 2nd line center. IMO he's not worth the asset's it would take to get him, imo Toronto keeps the young core of players they have and builds around it with key free agent signings and keeps stock piling young players through the draft.

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No thanks from the Leafs...

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Only way Col sees gardiner is if Duchene is invloved. book it
Agreed. Honestly Duchene and the 1st overall MIGHT get you a look at Gardiner. I still don't think TO bites though. Gardiner is definitely the better, more proven asset in this situation.

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Or you need to brush up on your reading comprehension...

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Gardiner is the best player in that deal IMO and stastny is not the same as he was before

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