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06-12-2013, 02:58 AM
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Either Luongo gets bought out or Vancouver takes it where the sun don't shine.

That's pretty much how this is going to play out.

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Another Mike Gillis special.

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Either Luongo gets bought out or Vancouver takes it where the sun don't shine.

That's pretty much how this is going to play out.
Or waivers and we avoid the whole mess.

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3 goals in > 10 mins game 7 round one
Not sure I follow here.

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06-12-2013, 06:24 AM
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3 goals in > 10 mins game 7 round one
That's not fair. That was nowhere near Reimer's fault.

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Either Luongo gets bought out or Vancouver takes it where the sun don't shine.

That's pretty much how this is going to play out.
I actually highly doubt Luongo would clear waivers to be bought out.

He'd be a free upgrade on several teams IMO and his contract issues can be mitigated pretty easily, again IMO.

Gillis was asking for a 1st + top prospect + roster player last year, I bet the price of SFA would be pretty appealing to some teams.

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We all agree that either Lou or Schneider will not be a Nuck next season.

All but a small number of delusional Nuck fans agree that Lou's age, contract and performance last season have negatively impacted his trade value. Additionally, it seems likely that a goodly number of vet goalie's will be available in the off season whether by trade (ex. Miller), UFA (ex. Smith) or potentially buy-out (Bryz).

In light of the foregoing, I would suggest that, if Lou is waived, that the odds are that he will not be claimed. The reason is simple. His contract greatly exceeds the market's current perception of his value.

With 20-20 hindsight, Gillis erred by not trading Lou during the off season in 2012.

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That's not fair. That was nowhere near Reimer's fault.
Oh, he meant the Toronto series. Yeah, we really are not a fanbase to talk about goalie "meltdowns." Much like the Boston series for us. Both were a team loss.

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I find it surprising how wildly off many canucks fans were in terms of the return. I think the better story is will he or schneider get traded or bought out

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06-12-2013, 09:19 AM
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3 goals in > 10 mins game 7 round one
1 more year at 1.6 (actual salary) 1.8 cap>9 more years (1st 5 at 6.7 salary) 5.33 cap.

Am i doing it right??

Again, i think there is a team that will trade for Luongo, they just aren't going to offer much. He won't be bought out, waived....maybe, but i doubt it.

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I think your looking for a fight with talk like that,we have played out the disrespecting each others teams to the point its just sad to acknowledge it. If your not on the phone or in the room,you dont know what was offered and when.

I say lets wait and see what goes down instead of trying to smear each others team.
While I don't claim to know the intent of the poster you quoted, I'm not sure he's entirely wrong. No disrespect intended on my part.

Essentially his comment comes down to "would the Leafs pick up Luongo on waivers if he was put there?" and to that I have to say probably not.

It has nothing to do with Luongo's skill (I think we can agree he is a very good goalie) but I see absolutely no reason for Toronto to saddle itself with that cap hit for that long when they have a young goalie who played very well last year in Reimer. We've all heard Glen Healy's tirades about his flaws (and yes he has work to do) but after the season he had he deserves the starter job in Toronto.

Now if by some miracle Luongo got bought out, I would be all for Toronto offering him a short term contract as a mentor/insurance policy/1B type (but I think he wants a guaranteed starter spot if it all possible).

As for what Vancouver can do with Luongo, trading him may be more difficult with quite a few goalies available. Depends on whether or not GMs around the league would prefer lesser goalies with lesser contracts.

Philadelphia could be an interesting destination if they do indeed buyout Bryzgalov as has been suggested, but they may be shy about long term contracts after the sting of the buyout. I think he would excel in Philly.

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Oh, he meant the Toronto series. Yeah, we really are not a fanbase to talk about goalie "meltdowns." Much like the Boston series for us. Both were a team loss.
yeah, it was a silly (and petty) remark

however, you'd think it might give some fans perspective ... ie how fair is it to say:
"Reimer in the most important game of his career let in 5 with an .857 sv%." ?
That makes him a big choker, right?

fyi the answer is of course not ...and whoever acquires Luo is going to get a top 10, arguably top 5 keeper for 3-4 years, then likely a step down from that for 3, then a 1.7M caphit for 2-3 years once he retires ... what an albatross that is...

but yeah lets all get on the cousin Dregs' train and deride him as a buyout-only candidate. Certainly fits the prevailing Leaf-Oil narrative, anyway...

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I find it surprising how wildly off many canucks fans were in terms of the return. I think the better story is will he or schneider get traded or bought out
right, now Schneider's getting bought out. Why not?
All Canucks are only good for buyouts. Am i doing this right?

and ps -- wildly off from what? from one of the several rumours cousin dregs was spinning?

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06-12-2013, 09:57 AM
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yeah, it was a silly (and petty) remark

however, you'd think it might give some fans perspective ... ie how fair is it to say:
"Reimer in the most important game of his career let in 5 with an .857 sv%." ?
That makes him a big choker, right?

fyi the answer is of course not ...and whoever acquires Luo is going to get a top 10, arguably top 5 keeper for 3-4 years, then likely a step down from that for 3, then a 1.7M caphit for 2-3 years once he retires ... what an albatross that is...

but yeah lets all get on the cousin Dregs' train and deride him as a buyout-only candidate. Certainly fits the prevailing Leaf-Oil narrative, anyway...


Well said.

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I'd love Bobby Lou in Edmonton.
What would it take, Nuckleheads?

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Well said.
I've said it before, and I will say it again.

Luongo is still the same goalie he was last year. The only thing thats changed is fans patience level.
People are just sick of this saga

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I'd love Bobby Lou in Edmonton.
What would it take, Nuckleheads?
Hall, Eberle and Schultz
(This is the part where you tell me he will be bought out and instead of reachin a middle ground like civilized people we attack eachothers fanbase)

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(This is the part where you tell me he will be bought out and instead of reachin a middle ground like civilized people we attack eachothers fanbase)
I'm not a homer. So I don't take crap like that seriously lol

Umm, I heard ramblings of Horc for him? So you guys can buyout Shawn, and we at least get a hilarious goalie for a few years.

Works for both.

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Or waivers and we avoid the whole mess.



Not sure I follow here.
waivers only work if someone claims him, don't see that happening. It's like when Manny Ramirez got waived in baseball

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I feel bad for Luongo, he seems like a real solid guy who is getting a **** treatment because of a contract that was offered to him.

I hope MG can move him where he can play, he's still a very good goalie.

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I'm not a homer. So I don't take crap like that seriously lol

Umm, I heard ramblings of Horc for him? So you guys can buyout Shawn, and we at least get a hilarious goalie for a few years.

Works for both.
Meh. In all fairness I am still of the belief that they will get assets back for him.
Im not saying gold, but I still think there will be a modest return.

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yeah, it was a silly (and petty) remark

however, you'd think it might give some fans perspective ... ie how fair is it to say:
"Reimer in the most important game of his career let in 5 with an .857 sv%." ?
That makes him a big choker, right?

fyi the answer is of course not ...and whoever acquires Luo is going to get a top 10, arguably top 5 keeper for 3-4 years, then likely a step down from that for 3, then a 1.7M caphit for 2-3 years once he retires ... what an albatross that is...

but yeah lets all get on the cousin Dregs' train and deride him as a buyout-only candidate. Certainly fits the prevailing Leaf-Oil narrative, anyway...
I actually agree with your post. And although i do agree that there are pockets of fans that take it to the extreme, i think it's more the cap dropping that is the true value setter here. I'll openly admit that Luongo is a fantastic goalie, but with the landscape changing with the new CBA, that contract has gone from great to horrid with the stroke of a pen.

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Or waivers and we avoid the whole mess.



Not sure I follow here.
Nobody grabs that contract at this point. It's a forced buy out or they keep him. One or the other.

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Nobody grabs that contract at this point. It's a forced buy out or they keep him. One or the other.
So whats changed about his contract in the last 3-4 months? Or is it just your opinion thats changed?

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We can speculate all we want... But no one really knows how GM's view this contract.
We can't base it on the fact that Gillis couldn't trade him, because he was perhaps asking for too much.

But that's why this off-season will be absolutely awesome.

Shortened season.
Cap coming down.
Deep draft.

It's going to be fun to be a fan.

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Or waivers and we avoid the whole mess.
THAT'S a whole different mess

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Nobody grabs that contract at this point. It's a forced buy out or they keep him. One or the other.
I don't know. I've been thinking - if it's on re-entry waivers, isn't the contract split in half? Canucks claim half for remainder of player (plus penalty from retirement) and team that claims him like wise?

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