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Predators re-sign Roman Josi (7 years, $4M cap hit)

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06-12-2013, 10:24 AM
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I hope JR signs Faulk to a similar deal.

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06-12-2013, 10:26 AM
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I always love the over evaluation of players of HF boards it always makes me laugh.

This "could" turn into a very good deal down the road but is it a good deal now...no. Roman Josi is a good young player I've seen him play enough to know that. But he hasnt even played a full season yet. 4 million a year for a guy that has yet to play a full 82 game season including playoffs in that. The guy has play 100 NHL games and 10 playoff games. Now in a few years if he continues to improve and continue on an upward spiral this could be a very good deal. But giving a guy that has played so little at 4 million a season for 7 years is a risk. So everyone calling this a huge win needs to put things into perspective cause it isnt yet it very well could be but alot can change in 7 years or even 7 minutes.

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06-12-2013, 10:35 AM
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Anyone have time to list the top pairings of all 30 teams, so we can show who we'd take Weber-Josi over? Off the top of my head: Florida, Tampa, Colorado, Toronto, Anaheim, NYI, Dallas, New Jersey, Detroit, Calgary, Edmonton, Carolina, Washington...I'm sure there are more.


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06-12-2013, 10:37 AM
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What pairings would you take over them? I doubt they're #1, but they're not far behind.


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06-12-2013, 10:38 AM
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What pairings would you take over them? I doubt they're #1, but they're not far behind.
For the record, I didn't say, they were the top, I said most.

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06-12-2013, 10:40 AM
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Only ones to debate are Chara/Hamilton, McDonagh/pre-eye injury Staal, Keith/Seabrook, Doughty/Regher and that might be it.

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06-12-2013, 10:44 AM
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Only ones to debate are Chara/Hamilton, McDonagh/pre-eye injury Staal, Keith/Seabrook, Doughty/Regher and that might be it.
Keith/Seabrook would likely be the only pairing I would choose over Weber/Josi.

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06-12-2013, 11:00 AM
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Keith/Seabrook would likely be the only pairing I would choose over Weber/Josi.
I'd take Chara + Hamilton/Boychuk as well, but that's just me. Josi doesn't have to be a top 15-20 D-man for Weber/Josi to be a top 3-5 pairing in the NHL.

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06-12-2013, 11:14 AM
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I think Suter/Brodin and Enstrom/Buff are up there as well.

In fact, I think Suter/Brodin is very comparable.

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wat a steal for nashville #jelly, gratz

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weber - josi is already a top 5-7 pairing in the NHL depending on preference.


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06-12-2013, 02:15 PM
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So I guess Stamkos isn't a real 1st line center because he plays on a bad Lightning team.

You can be a good player and be on a bad team.
Shea weber had his worst season paired with josi last year

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06-12-2013, 02:20 PM
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Shea weber had his worst season paired with josi last year
give your head a shake. a big shake

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06-12-2013, 02:24 PM
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Shea weber had his worst season paired with josi last year
http://www.hockey-reference.com/play...webersh01.html

you are wrong

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Thanks your stats back up my point - lowest point total in 5 years. Before that he was still devloping

And yes shortened season but he was not on pace to be where he is usually at. Not to mention his +\-


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06-12-2013, 02:54 PM
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Some examples of other young, promising d men who went straight to big money and term: tyler myers, cam fowler, luke schenn.

I don't fault preds fans for being excited about young talent but recent history shows deals like these are not good.

plenty of other young d men never live up to the potential they flash early. Can you imagine if the rangers gave del zotto a 7 year deal after a strong 1st year?

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06-12-2013, 03:04 PM
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Shea weber had his worst season paired with josi last year
weber had a HALF season... and if you actually followed the Preds you'd know he started out cold as you might expect adjusting to someone other than Suter but after the first ten games he had stats comparable to his other years.... if we had a full season I suspect his numbers would have been right in line with his usual production

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Thanks your stats back up my point - lowest point total in 5 years. Before that he was still devloping

And yes shortened season but he was not on pace to be where he is usually at. Not to mention his +\-
He was on a pace for 48 points.

Last 3 years he's finished with 43, 48 and 49 points So no, you're wrong, his points per game did not take a hit and certainly was not his lowest in 5 years

He might have been down point or so this season compared to last, but he did have to play with Hannan a bit too.

I don't think the difference of a few points either way is a telling sign of Josi given Josi is a 2nd year player and Ryan Suter had played with Weber forever. To me, that shows how good Josi is if anything or how Weber doesn't depend on a linemate for his production.

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06-12-2013, 03:14 PM
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weber had a HALF season... and if you actually followed the Preds you'd know he started out cold as you might expect adjusting to someone other than Suter but after the first ten games he had stats comparable to his other years.... if we had a full season I suspect his numbers would have been right in line with his usual production
Thats fine I'm not here to knock shea weber - he's a top 3 d man in the league. Just knocking the crazy josi contract

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Thanks your stats back up my point - lowest point total in 5 years. Before that he was still devloping

And yes shortened season but he was not on pace to be where he is usually at. Not to mention his +\-
these stats back up my point:

http://espn.go.com/nhl/player/gamelo...278/shea-weber

Weber had exactly one point his first 15 games this year... then he had 27 points in the remaining 33 games.... which is very solid


so I think its fair to say it took Weber a few games to get used to Josi but once they got comfortable he was as good as he ever was

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06-12-2013, 04:16 PM
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Just remember, he was drafted in 2008 and has been with the Nashville organization since 2010. They know him pretty well by now. It's not like he has just been drafted and played one solid season in the NHL. He's strength is in his hockey smarts and his physical gifts, so I guess the Preds think the risk is very small that he busts.

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Playing on the top pair on a bad team doesn't make him a top pairing defenseman. That would be like me saying whoever was centering the blue jackets first line was a real first line center
Ah so now we're casting aside the magnificent play of a 23 year old stepping into the role of one of the top defensive defensemen in the entire game, in his second NHL season, while also dismissing all of the reasons that "bad team" was actually bad? Makes sense. Just a hint, though. Weber - Josi was the least of the concerns of the Preds team last season.

Be a naysayer all you want, but you're just as much guessing as anyone else is. The difference between your guess that this will be a bad contract and our guess that it will be a good one is that we have his actual performance to support our guess. You only have the performances of other players on other teams, and some nonsensical comparison to a forward on the Blue Jackets.

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A little shocking at first, but this seems like a good deal the more I think about it.

Congrats.

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06-13-2013, 11:17 AM
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Just remember, he was drafted in 2008 and has been with the Nashville organization since 2010. They know him pretty well by now. It's not like he has just been drafted and played one solid season in the NHL. He's strength is in his hockey smarts and his physical gifts, so I guess the Preds think the risk is very small that he busts.
He hasnt played a full season with playoffs that's the point I'm making. You dont give a guy that kind of long term contract with 4 million a season when he hasnt played a full season with playoffs yet.

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