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06-12-2013, 02:57 PM
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Vancouver + Minnesota

*Assuming Backstrom walks this off-season

Vancouver
Dany Heatley (Van compliance buys him out)
Kyle Brodziak
Cal Clutterbuck
Zenon Konopla

Minnesota
Roberto Luongo
Mason Raymond (rights)
Max Lapierre (rights)

Minny - Makes room on their roster for prospects, trades some depth role players for an upgrade in net. Also sheds a lot of cap space.

Vancouver - Addresses their bottom 6
Sedin Sedin Burrows
Booth Kesler Kassian
Hansen Brodziak Higgins
Weise Konopka Clutterbuck

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06-12-2013, 03:18 PM
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It's not impossible, but Minnesota can't let go of Brodziak now. Center depth is too thin. Remove Brodziak from this deal and its doableish. Two rights are kinda lame though. I don't know.

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06-12-2013, 03:28 PM
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Sorry aren't both Vancouver players ufa s

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I would add Schroder on Vancouvers side

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Sorry aren't both Vancouver players ufa s
Yes, Lapierre and Raymond are UFAs, that's why it says rights next to them. What if we added in Ballard? I know that besides Suter, Minny didn't have that solid of D. Ballard played pretty well in Vancouver, but was never given a real opportunity to play because of our coach.

I'd be all for this, except if we could find a way to keep Heatley, I'd like to see how he fairs with Kesler and Booth.

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Yes, Lapierre and Raymond are UFAs, that's why it says rights next to them. What if we added in Ballard? I know that besides Suter, Minny didn't have that solid of D. Ballard played pretty well in Vancouver, but was never given a real opportunity to play because of our coach.

I'd be all for this, except if we could find a way to keep Heatley, I'd like to see how he fairs with Kesler and Booth.
We need depth at center and defense. So Schroeder and Ballard are selling points and hometown guys.

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We need depth at center and defense. So Schroeder and Ballard are selling points and hometown guys.
Revised offer:

Luongo
Schroder
Ballard (1.25M retained)

For
Heatly
Brodziak
Konpoka(sp?)
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06-12-2013, 03:53 PM
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Revised offer:

Luongo
Schroder
Ballard (1.25M retained)

For
Heatly
Brodziak
Konpoka(sp?)
Clutterbuck
We wont be retaining salary if we are taking heatly back.

Luongo
Schroder
Ballard

Heatly
Brodziak
2nd

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06-12-2013, 04:03 PM
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Revised offer:

Luongo
Schroder
Ballard (1.25M retained)

For
Heatly
Brodziak
Konpoka(sp?)
Clutterbuck
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We wont be retaining salary if we are taking heatly back.

Luongo
Schroder
Ballard

Heatly
Brodziak
2nd
Im not the biggest Schroeder fan but I wouldn't move him in that package.

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We need depth at center and defense. So Schroeder and Ballard are selling points and hometown guys.
I would include Ballard (plus any players rights you would want).

So
Lu + Ballard (no salary retaine on either) + Raymond/Lapierre rights
For
Brodziak, Clutterbuck, Konopka And Heatley (buyout).

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We wont be retaining salary if we are taking heatly back.

Luongo
Schroder
Ballard

Heatly
Brodziak
2nd
Fair enough. But I would definitely want Clutterbuck included.

Heatly
Brodziak
Clutterbuck
Small +

For

Luongo
Ballard
Schroder

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Heatley is owed roughly 7.5M.

Luongo is owed roughly 50.0M. Considering Luongo is still a good player it's more likely that he's a cost at half that; 25M.

25M - 7.5M = 17.5M

I don't think a 17.5M dollar bill to the Minnesota Wild is enticing enough for them to move some good solid depth players.

It's actually kind of laughable.

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06-12-2013, 04:46 PM
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Luongo is actually owed $40.5 million, not $50 million

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06-12-2013, 04:48 PM
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Luongo will have more of an impact in the hockey game than all of those other players combined.

Ballard is a top 5 Dman on most teams. Just not for us as we have 3 very talented lh dmen.

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Heatley is owed roughly 7.5M.

Luongo is owed roughly 50.0M. Considering Luongo is still a good player it's more likely that he's a cost at half that; 25M.

25M - 7.5M = 17.5M

I don't think a 17.5M dollar bill to the Minnesota Wild is enticing enough for them to move some good solid depth players.

It's actually kind of laughable.
Its closer to 40 million.

Im not sure what you mean by saying hes a cost at half that? How do you come up with 25 million?

The Wild paid 24 million for the last 4 years of Backstrom..

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Luongo will have more of an impact in the hockey game than all of those other players combined.

Ballard is a top 5 Dman on most teams. Just not for us as we have 3 very talented lh dmen.
Definitely... guy is a difference maker.

But this proposal does really address our lack of bottom-6 talent and makes us a tougher team to play against..

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Luongo is actually owed $40.5 million, not $50 million
Heatley is at 5M actual dollars as well.

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Luongo will have more of an impact in the hockey game than all of those other players combined.

Ballard is a top 5 Dman on most teams. Just not for us as we have 3 very talented lh dmen.
That's what people are worried about. He'll be impacting the team in one way or another for about a decade.

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Its closer to 40 million.

Im not sure what you mean by saying hes a cost at half that? How do you come up with 25 million?

The Wild paid 24 million for the last 4 years of Backstrom..
I mean I think he will be an effective player (#1 goalie) for the Wild for about half of his contract, and I think that is fairly generous. Meaning out of the 40ish million owed to him, it's not all a cap dump.

Rough figures I know but my point is just because Heatley is a buyout candidate for this year still doesn't equate to the tens of millions Luongo will cost without much of anything to show for it.

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Heatley is at 5M actual dollars as well.



That's what people are worried about. He'll be impacting the team in one way or another for about a decade.
His impact will be somewhere between 1.3 x 2 years and 2.1 million for 3 years.

The Wild agreed to pay Mike Rupp 1.5 million $ / year...

The cap penalty is no worse than having Mike Rupp on your team. Actually the Cap Penalty is BETTER than having Mike Rupp on your team because it means you don't have Mike Rupp on your team...

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His impact will be somewhere between 1.3 x 2 years and 2.1 million for 3 years.

The Wild agreed to pay Mike Rupp 1.5 million $ / year...

The cap penalty is no worse than having Mike Rupp on your team. Actually the Cap Penalty is BETTER than having Mike Rupp on your team because it means you don't have Mike Rupp on your team...
Of course, depends how you look at it. I know most Canuck fans think he's going to be a #1 goalie (top 10) till he reaches 39-40 and fully worth his 5.3 million cap hit and 6+m a year for most of those years.

I do not, and that why trading him in my eyes is just so close to impossible a 5M dollar buyout won't cut it.

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We don't want Luongo. His contract is worse than Heatley's and we have Kuepmer and Gustafson waiting for their shot.

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I mean I think he will be an effective player (#1 goalie) for the Wild for about half of his contract, and I think that is fairly generous. Meaning out of the 40ish million owed to him, it's not all a cap dump.

Rough figures I know but my point is just because Heatley is a buyout candidate for this year still doesn't equate to the tens of millions Luongo will cost without much of anything to show for it.
1) Trade him to a cap-floor team when his salary drops
2) Take into consideration what you are going to pay a starting goalie (Wild paid Backstrom 24 million/4 years... 4 years of Lu only costs you 3 million more..)

Lets say you pay Luongo his 6.7 million salary for the next 5 years (33.5 million total).
What would you pay over the next 5 years a starting goaltender regardless? (lets say 5 million a year... which is probably on the low side).

So Luongo at 33.5 for the next 5 years, or
Goaltender B for 25 million over the next 5 years PLUS Heatleys 5 million salary.

Really any decent starting goaltender you sign is going to command a decent salary..

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We don't want Luongo. His contract is worse than Heatley's and we have Kuepmer and Gustafson waiting for their shot.
Yeah, those random guys named Kuepmer and Gustafson we found off the street the other day could maybe work out. They sound promising.

Luongo's salary is good for him, but his contract length is what kills it. He's a great goalie, good locker room guy and very distinguished. The only reason we would ever acquire him is if we don't re-sign Backstrom. He would be a good mentor. I can almost 100 percent say that Minnesota would never be interested. It won't happen, Fletch won't touch Luongo with a 10 foot pole. Most GM's wont.

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The contract length is the exact reason why the Wild shouldn't do it. At this point, the only way Luongo leaves Vancouver is with an amnesty buyout.

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I'd consider it if St. Paul Luongo's deal was only another 2-3 years, but unfortunately it's a hell of a lot longer than that.

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