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01-03-2004, 11:00 AM
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Regehr ,Lepold ,Warrener ,Gauthier ,Lydman ,Farrance and Phenauf on his way.

Not one of them has the offensive ability that Kaberle does (40+ points every yearin the NHL except his first and the shortened year, where he had 39) and offensive from the Blueline is a HUGE need of the flames.
Sluggo, do you watch the Flames much?

Jordan Leopold is a rapidly developing offensive defenseman.

His last two seasons of NCAA hockey he scored OVER a point-a-game. You can keep announcing the Flames need an offensive defenseman, but that doesn't make it true. They dealt Derek Morris last year cause they had Leopold. The kid is making great strides. He is also out-scoring Tomas Kaberle.

So not only would Sutter not want Kaberle because of the style of player he is, the Flames don't need an offensive defenseman right now like you seem to think they do.

It isn't a fit. Flames fans keep telling you that and you keep ignoring them and repeating the same rhetoric.

I've seen several of your posts in the Leaf newsgroup, and you are always saying how Kaberle is not number 1 defenseman, yet here you are trying to pawn him off on Flames fans as the answers to their (alleged) problems.

I'm sure Sutter in the Flames would much rather see how Jordan Leopold continues to develop as their scoring defenseman, thank you very much.


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Please learn a bit about a player for commenting on him - hes 19 and playing on a #1 line, #1 PK and #1 PP unit in the SEL, hes the captain of the Sweden WJC team and would have made teh NHL this year except for his contract in Sweden.
LMAO! Steen would have made the Maple Leafs this year? That's seriously funny Sluggo.

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01-03-2004, 11:07 AM
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No, you the Flames can't afford Igilna's 7+ million dollar salary, and its also not like I'm just making this up, Igilna trade rumors have been popping up since the off-season, generally that means something.
There have been dozens of Nik Antropov trade rumours. What does that mean?

Alex Tanguay and Martin Skoula were involved in 10+ trade rumours last year. What does that mean?

I think Iginla's named linked to trade rumours does mean something - it means that rumour jockeys, like Bruce Garrioch or Larry Brooks need something to print.

Even if the Flames couldn't afford his $7 million salary - which, all indicators say THEY CAN - why would they then dump the salary? Are you suggesting that not only does it push them over budget, but that it pushes them a full seven million over?

That's absurd.

They could trade him for 3 players that make a combined $7 million then trim salary elsewhere.

The Flames are not in Pittsburgh like financial trouble. The Flames are not in financial trouble at all right now. They have a budget and they are not over it.

Two things need to be clear to you right now.

Just because Toronto fans think Nik Antropov is a top prospect and Tomas Kaberle is a #1 defenseman that doesn't make it true.

Neither are wanted here.

and secondly, Jarome Iginla and the Calgary Flames AGREED on a contract. It wasn't forced on Calgary. They offered it actually. Then they set their player budget. According to rumours that you want to so badly to put stock in, the Flames have been looking at veteran centers - Cliff Ronning's name has floated around for months and Doug Gilmour's just surfaced. That would suggest Calgary is UNDER budget.


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how about Iginla for Mogilny and a pick

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how about Iginla for Mogilny and a pick
So essentially we trade Iggy for a soon-to-be UFA and a useless pick? Um, no.

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01-04-2004, 02:26 PM
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it might be hard to move iginla after that penalty shot vs the nucks, that was the worst i've ever seen.

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01-04-2004, 03:14 PM
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Sluggo, do you watch the Flames much?

Jordan Leopold is a rapidly developing offensive defenseman.

His last two seasons of NCAA hockey he scored OVER a point-a-game. You can keep announcing the Flames need an offensive defenseman, but that doesn't make it true. They dealt Derek Morris last year cause they had Leopold. The kid is making great strides. He is also out-scoring Tomas Kaberle.

So not only would Sutter not want Kaberle because of the style of player he is, the Flames don't need an offensive defenseman right now like you seem to think they do.

It isn't a fit. Flames fans keep telling you that and you keep ignoring them and repeating the same rhetoric.

I've seen several of your posts in the Leaf newsgroup, and you are always saying how Kaberle is not number 1 defenseman, yet here you are trying to pawn him off on Flames fans as the answers to their (alleged) problems.

I'm sure Sutter in the Flames would much rather see how Jordan Leopold continues to develop as their scoring defenseman, thank you very much.




LMAO! Steen would have made the Maple Leafs this year? That's seriously funny Sluggo.
Not to mention Leopold with his arms and legs cut off could play better D than Kaberle.

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how about Iginla for Mogilny and a pick
Why? I'd rather hang on to Iginla. There's no room here for AlMo, just players like Iginla - and that's why we're keeping him here.

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01-05-2004, 08:05 PM
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I talked with a pro scout the other day and asked him directly about the Iginla situation and who would be interested in getting Iginla. He said 29 teams would kill to have Iginla, just not his contract. Every team is looking at salary right now and know that they can not afford a player like Iginla going into the brave new NHL world post new CBA. Button made sure that Iginla was unmarketable when he signed Iginla to the contract he did. While Button was one of the biggest imbiciles I've ever seen work in the NHL he might have stumbled into a sure fire mechanism that makes Iginla a Flame for a good long time.
Hahahaha. If you knew anything about the Iginla contract negotiations, it was Murray Edwards and Ken King who were the decision makers. Button desperately wanted to move Iginla.

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As for Bicycle Repairman's garbage, the Flames are over budget, but based on the number of injuries they have run into they would have been over budget anyways. Having Turek on the shelf saves them $55K per game, so if Turek is on the shelf for another 10 games (20 games beyond the insurance clause) he will knock $1 million off that overrun. Conroy being on the shelf will likely have some insurance money coming the Flames way as well (the top five money earners on every team are required to be insured IIRC). That will work in the team's favor as well.
Neither Turek or Conroy will be out long enough to garner significant financial return. Any more money Sutter finds will have to come by checking under the sofa cushions. He already went hat in hand to the owners for funds to land Miika Kiprusoff. He can't go back to the well again. Craig Button learned that lesson the hard way.


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I would think that someone who worships Bruce Doh'biggen would have had a better grasp on the factors that can influence a budget overrun and mechanisms that might correct it. Oh wait, we are talking about the same flaming clown (coincidence that BR has a flaming clown for his avatar? anyone see a link?) who has been shooting off his mouth in the papers that Iginla needs to be qualified at over $8 million this off season. For a guy that wrote a book on the business of the game you would think he would have a much better understanding of the CBA and realize that a player earning over the league average salary does not need to be qualified at anything higher than his existing salary. Just another indication what a complete moron Bruce Doh'biggen is and how little he really understands the business of the game and the game itself.

Hahahaha. This coming from a poster using Alfred E. Neuman as an avatar. Talk about the Fright Wig calling the prosthetic nose "red."


And for your information, the origination of the rumoured $8 million figure was clarified in the paper over the weekend. It wasn't for a Qualifying Offer, it's the rumoured asking price coming from the Meehan/Iginla camp.


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01-06-2004, 04:37 AM
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And for your information, the origination of the rumoured $8 million figure was clarified in the paper over the weekend. It wasn't for a Qualifying Offer, it's the rumoured asking price coming from the Meehan/Iginla camp.
Yeah, sure it is.

That makes complete and total sense.

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And for your information, the origination of the rumoured $8 million figure was clarified in the paper over the weekend. It wasn't for a Qualifying Offer, it's the rumoured asking price coming from the Meehan/Iginla camp.

To use your own words... HAHAHAHAHA.

Prove it or zip it sparky. Your garbage is getting to the level of Garrioch and Strachan.

Dowbiggen got caught with his pants down proving he thinks he knows a whole lot more than he does...it was in print for the multitudes to see.

You prove you know as much or even less than that clown by backing him on it.

Hilarious.

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01-06-2004, 06:47 AM
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you know that Dohbiggin changed his tune on the 8 M several times

first he said it was the qualifying offer

then he said, no what I meant is it's what Iginla would get in arbitration using Bill Guerin (8.66) as a comparable....

then when it came clear that Guerin can't be used in arbitration because he was signed as a UFA it turned into the Iginla/Meehan asking price

that's fine Iginla/Meehan can ASK for 8m....however if there is no market for Iginla at 7 or 7.5 m they aren't going to get 8m from the Flames, and they sure as heck aren't going to get an offer sheet for 8m either

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Hahahaha. If you knew anything about the Iginla contract negotiations, it was Murray Edwards and Ken King who were the decision makers. Button desperately wanted to move Iginla.
Sure he did. Button knew his future depended on Iginla signing, so I'm sure he was just dying to deal away the guy who had just won, or was in the running for, about every piece of hardware available for a forward. You believe what you just said? Wow!!! You really are a piece of work!

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Neither Turek or Conroy will be out long enough to garner significant financial return. Any more money Sutter finds will have to come by checking under the sofa cushions. He already went hat in hand to the owners for funds to land Miika Kiprusoff. He can't go back to the well again. Craig Button learned that lesson the hard way.
Really. For every game that Turek is out past 20 the Flames see 80% of the contract covered, or approximately $44K per game. So since Turek has missed 37 games that means that means that the Flames have not been on the hook for $748K to this point. Add in another three games and you pay for Kiprusoff's salary. Holy smokes, I bet the actuaries were working over time to figure that one out!!!

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And for your information, the origination of the rumoured $8 million figure was clarified in the paper over the weekend. It wasn't for a Qualifying Offer, it's the rumoured asking price coming from the Meehan/Iginla camp.
Come on now, be a man and admit the Brucey boy stepped on his genitals in a very public way and got caught staring at his own handiwork, much to his own shagrin.Brucey screwed up and made a simple mistake in thinking that Iginla had to be qualified with the 10% raise. Its okay. Simple mistake by a simpleton. You can try and say all you want on the subject, but Bruce's own back peddling on the subject in print and on radio has been more than enough to bring his credibility into question (like he had any in Calgary before this?). Sure proves all those great books he wrote are suitable for nothing more than holding doors open.


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I really hope they're not shopping him. Iggy shouldn't be traded unless an offer that absolutely cannot be refused comes in. Even then, the Flames really should keep their cornerstone to keep this ship heading in the right direction.

That Turek contract is like an albatross. He's signed through next season too, isn't he? Oh my...if ANYONE would take him the Flames should be happy to pay half. If there is an NHL season in the fall, then providing a full Jim Carey-like meltdown, Kiprusoff is in net and chances are one of the youngsters will back him up.

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