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06-12-2013, 08:29 PM
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Gio and Glencross for Couturier and 11th overall? No offense, but this is flat out insulting. Your players aren't worth what you think they are.
Have you even watched Glencross or Giordano play? Glencross is worth a ton,as he is on a very friendly contract.

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06-12-2013, 08:40 PM
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You're basically paying for years of prime playing ability.

1) Defencemen usually mature much later and usually play longer.

2) Couturier has not reached his prime and no one knows what his prime will be.

If you want to hold onto him and see how he will develop that's fine. However, if the idea is to win now, then you're going to have to sacrifice potential for proven talent. A 30 year old d-man is essentially equivalent to a 26 year old forward. This is well reflected in FA contracts.

So the question is are you willing to sacrifice what Couturier might be in 4 years for immediate help now. If not, there's no use in trading him. No one is going to give you Shattenkirk. Your options are an equally unproven d-man or a slightly older proven d-man with a lower ceiling.
Giordono is not really what the Flyers need(not that they couldn't use him for the right price). They need a #1 or potential #1 and Couturier or B Schenn would be their main piece to trade for one. So trading either them for a defensemen who's value will only go down makes no sense. Nobody really wants to trade #1 Dmen from their team and they rarely become available that's why the Flyers should hold onto their trade pieces that should only grow in value over the next few years unless the right #1 or potential #1 is available.

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06-12-2013, 08:54 PM
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Have you even watched Glencross or Giordano play? Glencross is worth a ton,as he is on a very friendly contract.
Seriously dude, you can't possibly think any team in the NHL would give you the equivalent of 2 top 10 picks for those players. You really need to take off the rose colored glasses. Yes, they are nice players. However, they aren't near as valuable as you think. Go offer some other team a similar trade and see how they react. I guarantee you will be laughed at, just like the Flyers fans here.

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06-12-2013, 09:05 PM
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Have you even watched Glencross or Giordano play? Glencross is worth a ton,as he is on a very friendly contract.
Seriously dude, you can't possibly think any team in the NHL would give you the equivalent of 2 top 10 picks for those players. You really need to take off the rose colored glasses. Yes, they are nice players. However, they aren't near as valuable as you think. Go offer some other team a similar trade and see how they react. I guarantee you will be laughed at, just like the Flyers fans here.

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06-12-2013, 09:31 PM
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Seriously dude, you can't possibly think any team in the NHL would give you the equivalent of 2 top 10 picks for those players. You really need to take off the rose colored glasses. Yes, they are nice players. However, they aren't near as valuable as you think. Go offer some other team a similar trade and see how they react. I guarantee you will be laughed at, just like the Flyers fans here.
Such a good comment that you have to reply twice?? seriously though, Gio glencross for couts 3rd

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You're basically paying for years of prime playing ability.

1) Defencemen usually mature much later and usually play longer.

2) Couturier has not reached his prime and no one knows what his prime will be.

If you want to hold onto him and see how he will develop that's fine. However, if the idea is to win now, then you're going to have to sacrifice potential for proven talent. A 30 year old d-man is essentially equivalent to a 26 year old forward. This is well reflected in FA contracts.

So the question is are you willing to sacrifice what Couturier might be in 4 years for immediate help now. If not, there's no use in trading him. No one is going to give you Shattenkirk. Your options are an equally unproven d-man or a slightly older proven d-man with a lower ceiling.
And what if Couts is put on the 2nd line and he puts up 50+ points next year? Brandon Saad did this year and he was a second rounder in 2011. That is the thing with young players, there is no exact timeline. I just know I don't want to look back in 2-3 years and hate that they traded Couts.

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06-13-2013, 12:25 AM
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Gio and Glencross for Couturier and 11th overall? No offense, but this is flat out insulting. Your players aren't worth what you think they are.
Couturier did nothing this year, your basing value on a rookie season that he hasn't backed up, get over yourself.

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06-13-2013, 12:45 AM
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Couturier did nothing this year, your basing value on a rookie season that he hasn't backed up, get over yourself.
Yeah, it's clearly just me. If you're going to post, open your eyes and pay attention to what players values are in trade scenarios. Wake up, pal. Your Calgary boys just aren't worth anywhere near what you are hoping. On the other hand, Couturier is one of the most coveted people on this board. A new thread has been started about him every week for a year now.

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06-13-2013, 12:57 AM
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Yeah, it's clearly just me. If you're going to post, open your eyes and pay attention to what players values are in trade scenarios. Wake up, pal. Your Calgary boys just aren't worth anywhere near what you are hoping. On the other hand, Couturier is one of the most coveted people on this board. A new thread has been started about him every week for a year now.
I like Couturier and all, but we'd be hoping he develops into a player like Glencross. His ceiling is probably a 60 point guy with intangibles. That's what Glencross already is. Our blueline can't afford to be without Giordano. Wideman or Brodie playing those minutes scares me... I don't blame you guys for not wanting to move the pick or the player though. Why sell low on Couturier? He had more value last year. If we'd traded JBo last year we would have gotten a 2nd and cap dump back. Trading him this year netted a 1st and one above average and one below average prospect.

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06-13-2013, 01:00 AM
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Deal would make more sense if you took out the 11th pick going back to Calgary. Even then Philly probably passes.

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06-13-2013, 01:06 AM
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Gio + 6th for Couturier + 11th MAY interest Philly, but probably not.

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Giordono is not really what the Flyers need(not that they couldn't use him for the right price). They need a #1 or potential #1 and Couturier or B Schenn would be their main piece to trade for one. So trading either them for a defensemen who's value will only go down makes no sense. Nobody really wants to trade #1 Dmen from their team and they rarely become available that's why the Flyers should hold onto their trade pieces that should only grow in value over the next few years unless the right #1 or potential #1 is available.
The Flyers are clearly in win now mode with the Streit acquisition. That was your top pairing dman pick up.

A lot of teams will be asking about Glencross very soon. The Flyers will be one of them. With his contract and the cap dropping, hell bring a piece like Couturier back.

Quite frankly it's not a bad year for the Flyers to go for it. They have the vets in place. Just need some depth and goaltending.

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06-13-2013, 01:32 AM
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A lot of teams will be asking about Glencross very soon. The Flyers will be one of them. With his contract and the cap dropping, hell bring a piece like Couturier back.
Calgary fans are my new favorites.

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06-13-2013, 01:39 AM
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The Flyers are clearly in win now mode with the Streit acquisition. That was your top pairing dman pick up.

A lot of teams will be asking about Glencross very soon. The Flyers will be one of them. With his contract and the cap dropping, hell bring a piece like Couturier back.

Quite frankly it's not a bad year for the Flyers to go for it. They have the vets in place. Just need some depth and goaltending.
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06-13-2013, 03:44 AM
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this deal doesn't work for either team

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06-13-2013, 08:48 AM
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Its gotta be a defenseman too. Whether its a good thing or a bad thing, the Flyers are an impatient organization. They won't be dealing a player on the cusp of breaking out for a draft pick. Not to mention he is by far their best defensive forward.

It was probably said in the other thread but the Streit deal pretty much says that Holmgren isn't dealing Couturier or Schenn for anything short of an elite number 1 defenseman. Sure they would have to add, but it isn't worth giving up 1 of them+ other pieces when they wouldn't be adding what they truly need.

**** you Nashville for matching.
Lol... Coots or Schenn do not get an elite 1d

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06-13-2013, 08:54 AM
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Lol... Coots or Schenn do not get an elite 1d
Why does everyone think it's just him we are moving for an elite defenseman? We would package Couts+11th+Coburn(most likely) to try and get a big named defender. Now HF now thinks that package isn't great, but where it matters, thats a good package. Now I wouldn't move that package for Yandle. Streit pretty much takes us out of those stakes hopefully.

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Would this work for both teams.
If Lindholm is taken before the Flames pick at 6th and the Flyers were real high on Nurse would this work for both teams?

Flames trade

6th pick and 28th pick

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Couts and 11th pick
Feaster has already stated that he is not trading that 6th pick, unless he can use it to move into the Top 5...smart move


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Your players aren't worth what you think they are.
Pretty much could be said about your players as well...

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Yeah, it's clearly just me. If you're going to post, open your eyes and pay attention to what players values are in trade scenarios. Wake up, pal. Your Calgary boys just aren't worth anywhere near what you are hoping. On the other hand, Couturier is one of the most coveted people on this board. A new thread has been started about him every week for a year now.
Ever heard of Luongo?

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