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Jake Gardiner for 7th overall pick (EDM)

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06-12-2013, 02:59 PM
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But we can use the 12 game sample size in the regular season?
Or maybe we could use the 78 game sample size of last season. Which would you choose?
Yes, you should judge the whole body of work, this season, last season.
6 games out of 87 is cherry picking.

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06-12-2013, 03:02 PM
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Developing more players? How about you develop Gardiner a little more so we can talk more about what he is, rather than what only Leaf fans seem to think he will be.

LOL, enough bs all the disbelieving trolls can just watch him next yr, you arent getting him. The only way to prove people wrong is by showing them, and you will be seeing it. The only period of poor professional play he has endured in the last 4 years was 2 weeks or so this year with post concussion symptoms affecting his play, he was one of the best players on the ice after the 1st few games in the playoffs. The guy is going to be a star, were not trading him, and you can just watch next year as he proves all the haters more wrong then they already are.

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06-12-2013, 03:15 PM
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I'd ask for Smid instead as he fills the greater need, and be willing to offer up Reimer instead of Scrivens. ...i'll likely get chewed by other leafs fans, but, i'm a bit crazy anyways.
Smid and Marincin aren't even close to comparable in trade value. That would change the entire dynamic of the deal and swing it dramatically in the Leafs favour.

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06-12-2013, 03:19 PM
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Smid and Marincin aren't even close to comparable in trade value. That would change the entire dynamic of the deal and swing it dramatically in the Leafs favour.
same way Reimer is much more valuable than Scrivens, hence the upgrade there.

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06-12-2013, 03:39 PM
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same way Reimer is much more valuable than Scrivens, hence the upgrade there.
The deal doesnt make sense for the Oilers if they are swapping a current top 4 D for a probable top 4 D along with dropping from 7 to 21.

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06-12-2013, 03:44 PM
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LOL, enough bs all the disbelieving trolls can just watch him next yr, you arent getting him. The only way to prove people wrong is by showing them, and you will be seeing it. The only period of poor professional play he has endured in the last 4 years was 2 weeks or so this year with post concussion symptoms affecting his play, he was one of the best players on the ice after the 1st few games in the playoffs. The guy is going to be a star, were not trading him, and you can just watch next year as he proves all the haters more wrong then they already are.
Cool. I could not care less, honestly. How often do you see an Oiler fan making a proposal involving him? Go to our trade board, he's never mentioned. Nobody cares. If he's so ****ing good, keep him, buy his jersey an stop making 84 proposals every day with him involved. You can take posts like these and change the name Gardiner to Schenn and go back in time four years and you'll see matching posts. Some things never change.

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06-12-2013, 04:08 PM
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I don`t know if you`re just faking ignorance or have no idea what you`re talking about. Are you just gonna claim that you don`t know any better and that you only see black or white or do you actually know how Gardiner plays because all this post is telling me is that you only read headlines and news articles (about Gardiner being in the AHL etc.) and you have no idea how Gardiner plays.

If you did you wouldn`t use this as an argument and you would realize that Gardiner should have been playing with evidence pointing to the playoff series.
I do know how Gardiner plays and his NHL regular season was pretty brutal (when we was playing) Do you disagree? Or should we dig up some HFleaf material to show even leaf fans werent impressed.

And yes, his first season was good. But wasnt mind blowing. I fail to see any evidence he will be more than a second pairing guy. And if thats an insult to you, then maybe youll have to be less attached to players. Because being a top pairing guy is pretty hard

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06-12-2013, 04:26 PM
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People are out of their minds if they believe the Leafs are going to trade Gardiner for any of the deals Oiler fans have posted here. He potentially will be Toronto's best defenceman this coming season. The Oil are dying for defensive players, and everybody knows it. Good players won't come cheap for them.

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06-12-2013, 04:28 PM
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I do know how Gardiner plays and his NHL regular season was pretty brutal (when we was playing) Do you disagree? Or should we dig up some HFleaf material to show even leaf fans werent impressed.

And yes, his first season was good. But wasnt mind blowing. I fail to see any evidence he will be more than a second pairing guy. And if thats an insult to you, then maybe youll have to be less attached to players. Because being a top pairing guy is pretty hard
What insults me is how people who have seen Jake Gardiner and know about the circumstances he was in (concussion, on a short lease with Carlyle, contract/waivers, #FreeJakeGardiner etc.) act [for lack of a better word] thickheaded and reply with, "if he was good, he would be in the NHL".

If you didn't know about the whole situation then I'd understand where you`re coming from, but the fact that you do know and you're still forming these blockhead type arguments is what's insulting. You're trying to act like an uninformed outsider, when you clearly aren't.

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06-12-2013, 04:34 PM
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Yes, you should judge the whole body of work, this season, last season.
6 games out of 87 is cherry picking.
True, but in hockey, the last 6 games hold a bit more value than the others because they are the latest. With hockey, there has always been a "what have you done for me lately" mindset. The Eberle of this year is perceived differently from the Eberle of last year and the same thing goes for Reimer.

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06-12-2013, 05:12 PM
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Gardinier's name came up when Eakins was named coach. They were saying that TO would have to add. That is all that I am going to say. These are not fans like us but hockey people.

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06-12-2013, 05:18 PM
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Cool. I could not care less, honestly. How often do you see an Oiler fan making a proposal involving him? Go to our trade board, he's never mentioned. Nobody cares. If he's so ****ing good, keep him, buy his jersey an stop making 84 proposals every day with him involved. You can take posts like these and change the name Gardiner to Schenn and go back in time four years and you'll see matching posts. Some things never change.
Um theres been 3 edm gardiner threads in the past 2 days actually. I dont make proposals, I knock them down, and we arent moving gardiner, and we are pleased to keep him.

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06-12-2013, 05:54 PM
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So we trade Gardiner for the 7th pick in the draft hoping that we can pick up somebody with as much potential as.....Gardiner. Um, no, no, no. To repeat, no, no, no.
This. This. This.

Deep draft or not, how often do players picked at #7 turn into superstars? Because that is what the Leafs would need to make this proposal work. Value-wise, is a 60-70 point player worth that much more than the #2-3 defenseman that Gardiner projects as? Gardiner is in the NHL, today, playing at a relatively high level. The Leafs waited four years for Kadri, another #7 pick to play in the league, surely they'll have to wait at least one or two before whomever is available at #7 even steps on the ice, let alone makes a big contribution. If the goal is to acquire a centre, other teams are reportedly shopping young centres already playing in the league (ex. Flyers).

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06-12-2013, 06:42 PM
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Trading Gardiner for 7th overall will put the Leafs back a couple years as the player picked 7th will not make it for at least 2 years (if he does at all). If a package of Gardiner+ is going to be moved for a pick it will be for a guy that is a can't miss which again is unlikely and Toronto is better off keeping him.

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06-12-2013, 09:11 PM
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Oilers woiuld not trade Smid to get Gardiner lol PLus the 7th and we take 21 and we move the better goalie to funny

Smid > Gardiner
7TH> 21st
Dubnyk> Scrivens yea im sure you would like that.
Hey I can do this too!

Gardiner > 7th

21st > Smid

Dubnyk >= Scrivens

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06-12-2013, 09:40 PM
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Hey I can do this too!

Gardiner > 7th

21st > Smid

Dubnyk >= Scrivens
Your doing it wrong....

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Gardiner > 7th

21st > Smid

Dubnyk >= Scrivens
21st > Smid > Gardiner > 7th.

lol. K.

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Sure he could end up better than Gardiner. It's a longshot though.
People really overrate picks on here. Take a look at the last 10 years 7th overall pick and then compare it to Gardiner. There is no way you are getting a player like Gardiner for the 7th pick. Absolutely zero chance.
I am a Leaf fan but sorry man, the 7th overall pick is usually a pretty good player, let's look at the last few seventh overall picks.

2012- Mathew Dumba
2011- Mark Scheifele
2010- Jeff Skinner
2009- Nazem Kadri
2008- Colin Wilson
2007- Jakub Voracek
2006- Kyle Okposo
2005- Jack Skille
2004- Rostislav Olesz
2003- Ryan Suter
2002- Joffrey Lupul


Out of the whole group, there are only 2 busts in Skille and Olesz. If u draft 7th overall, you may have to wait some years, but you will most likely get a great player.

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I think value wise it's a very fair trade for both team but the Leafs say no. Gardiner is a special player and should only be traded for an upgrade or equally talented player

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The deal doesnt make sense for the Oilers if they are swapping a current top 4 D for a probable top 4 D along with dropping from 7 to 21.
Right now Smid is a better player than Gardiner. The thing is Gardiner has a very rare skill set and one that has the potential to make him an elite player. Smid can be easily replaced, perhaps not by a D of his calibre but by a weaker D and you wouldn't notice a significant down grade.

Gardiner on the other hand is nearly impossible to replace. It's the same thing when you look at a player like Ryder who may score 30 goals. Is Ryder a better player than Lars Eller? Maybe he is right now but you can't just replace Eller the same way you can just slot a player like MacArthur in for Ryder. Maybe it's not the best comparison but I hope you get the gist of what I'm saying.

TL;DR: Gardiner is a dynamic talent and is difficult to replace which makes his value significantly higher than less dynamic but slightly better players.

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1. Edmonton just hired Dallas Eakins (developed Gardiner)
2. Edmonton has Justin Schultz (Gardiner's college teammate)
3. Edmonton is looking for a top pairing young defenceman

Gardiner was tremendous in the playoffs and has shown that he can be a top pairing defenceman. He is still only 22 years old and would fit in perfectly with the young core of the Edmonton Oilers. Now that Eakins is in Edmonton and the Maple Leafs are in a situation where they can/should make a big move to add a top notch young centre, this seems to be one of those situations that could potentially be a good fit.
Your own fanbase told you it was a stupid idea. And Edmonton will tell you the same. Stop coming up with ideas...

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NO thanks, go pry out Michael Del Zotto were keeping Gard Gards.

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Gardiner is criminally underrated here...He's worth a top 5 pick no questions asked. I'd only trade him for a top 3 pick to be honest

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Gardiner > 7th

21st > Smid

Dubnyk >= Scrivens
Dam rights he is Smid> 21


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The deal doesnt make sense for the Oilers if they are swapping a current top 4 D for a probable top 4 D along with dropping from 7 to 21.
Except its a current top 4 D for a projected top 2 D who easily plays in the top 4 now. You see the difference? Gardiner's projected floor is still above Smid's ceiling.

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