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10-12-2006, 06:40 PM
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Three cheers for Gary Bettman

It has to be said after all the criticism he's received that Gary Bettman has truly ushered in the golden age of hockey....has he not?

Hip hip!

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i wouldnt go that far to be honest .
failing grade period

hopefully he wont be around much longer . time for some fresh thinking


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I think if someone else were in Bettman's position the last few years then the NHL would not be as good as it is today

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I agree with the last two posters. He is nothing special and has done nothing all that great for the NHL. As a person who likes tradition, some of these changes have gone to far and I actually miss ties.

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im waiting for Bettmen to bring in the 3 goals line next . if you shoot and score outside the blue line you will get 3 goals


2005 Bisness week named him one of the WORST MANGERS of the year . i agreeed then and i still agree now in 2006 .

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no amount of penealty filled power play hockey is goona change my opinion out Bettmen .

get a real hockey mind in there . hopefully Wayne Gretzky takes over someday . atleast he is intune with the game .

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Well I don't miss ties. Shoot-out is exciting and I love 'em. And that doesn't make me "not a true fan". I think he did a fairly good job, and in the end, he will be remembered as the man who brought a new age of stability in the NHL.

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Hooray... ish. He has done what he was mandated to do, and has faithfully and successfully represented the business interests of the league in a truly competent and sometimes even thoughtful manner. I doubt there were any other realistic alternatives who could have done a better job in the role.

None of which means that what he has accomplished necessarily meshes with the hopes and dreams of Great White Northern purists, of course. But that was never the point.

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He's done a much better job in the last few years than at the beginning of his mandate, and it looks like the game is getting better and better.

The dark days of 1997-2003 (with their average 2.30 GAA and .920 save percentages) are gone, and good riddance.

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F Gary Bettman and his stupid new rules. Enforcers will be gone soon and that bugs me... too many penalties now. Hate the shootout... etc.

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i wouldnt go that far to be honest .
failing grade period

hopefully he wont be around much longer . time for some fresh thinking
So what would you do then?

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F Gary Bettman and his stupid new rules. Enforcers will be gone soon and that bugs me... too many penalties now. Hate the shootout... etc.
Well then...quit watching. You'll get no pitty from me.

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10-12-2006, 08:01 PM
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Here are my problems with your "golden age of hockey"

- Too many penalties.
- Inconsistent calls, one too many referees.
- Shootouts are boring, I'd rather a tie game.
- Some games are worth 2 points, others are worth 3 points?
Doesn't make much sense
- Shooting the puck over the glass should have the same
consequences as icing the puck.

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If you think Bettman has done such a poor job, ask MLB how long it took to come back to their previous popularity after their lockout? It took five years, and they still have the same problems:

1) lack of a competitive even playing field

2) escalating player salaries

Bettman addressed these issues, and did it in such a manner that even basketball players went running scared.

I'm not a fan of everything he has done, but I'm not perfect either.

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Here are my problems with your "golden age of hockey"

- Too many penalties.
Players are still learning.
- Inconsistent calls, one too many referees.
Inconsistent is nothing new.
- Shootouts are boring, I'd rather a tie game.
"Boring" ...that's verry credible...lol.
- Some games are worth 2 points, others are worth 3 points?
Doesn't make much sense
The reason they did that years ago was because once teams went to OT they only tried to protect the point they had..and not win the extra point. Many OT's had 1 shot a piece
- Shooting the puck over the glass should have the same
consequences as icing the puck.
I agree.
He got a salary cap...and that's good enough for me.

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If you think Bettman has done such a poor job, ask MLB how long it took to come back to their previous popularity after their lockout? It took five years, and they still have the same problems:

1) lack of a competitive even playing field

2) escalating player salaries

Bettman addressed these issues, and did it in such a manner that even basketball players went running scared.

I'm not a fan of everything he has done, but I'm not perfect either.
Ask the NFL how non-guaranteed contracts worked out for them. If the NHL had that I would praise the midget. He's done enough not to get fired but it's time for a change.

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Here are my problems with your "golden age of hockey"

- Too many penalties.
- Inconsistent calls, one too many referees.
- Shootouts are boring, I'd rather a tie game.
- Some games are worth 2 points, others are worth 3 points?
Doesn't make much sense
- Shooting the puck over the glass should have the same
consequences as icing the puck.
PT1: People will complain about reffing if there too many or too few calls. Same as usual
PT2: 1 ref or 6 refs, you will still have people moaning about the calls. Same as usual
PT3: If the shootout continues to be as frequent it may get dull. Then again I can remember very few memorable ties, except for Red Army vs Habs. What I would do though is award no single points for the OT/SO loser. Personally I think ties stink
PT4: see pt3
PT5: You lost me on this one. If a guy deliberately shoots the puck over the glass he is trying to get a faceoff. He can only get a penalty for doing this from his own end. The face off would be in their end anyway. So how is treating it like icing different from just letting them shoot it over the glass whenever they want to. What is needed is to put some discretion into it I think by giving penalties only to players who shoot the puck over the glass when under pressure. Guys should not be allowed to escape by putting it over the glass.


RE: Bettman
this last CBA is the best adjustment the NHL has made in years. Ziegler is the real culprit for Hockey woes in the late 20th century. The rules today are fine. Especially the No Red Line rule. That is the best change of all.

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Ask the NFL how non-guaranteed contracts worked out for them. If the NHL had that I would praise the midget. He's done enough not to get fired but it's time for a change.
I would have liked to see that too, but again, he is not perfect. After the NHL caved the last several times there was a lockout, he had a very steep hill to climb.

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PT1: People will complain about reffing if there too many or too few calls. Same as usual
PT2: 1 ref or 6 refs, you will still have people moaning about the calls. Same as usual
PT3: If the shootout continues to be as frequent it may get dull. Then again I can remember very few memorable ties, except for Red Army vs Habs. What I would do though is award no single points for the OT/SO loser. Personally I think ties stink
PT4: see pt3
PT5: You lost me on this one. If a guy deliberately shoots the puck over the glass he is trying to get a faceoff. He can only get a penalty for doing this from his own end. The face off would be in their end anyway. So how is treating it like icing different from just letting them shoot it over the glass whenever they want to. What is needed is to put some discretion into it I think by giving penalties only to players who shoot the puck over the glass when under pressure. Guys should not be allowed to escape by putting it over the glass.


RE: Bettman
this last CBA is the best adjustment the NHL has made in years. Ziegler is the real culprit for Hockey woes in the late 20th century. The rules today are fine. Especially the No Red Line rule. That is the best change of all.
PT1: I just hate watching a game, full of penalties and barely any even strength, especially on very weak and inconsistent calls. Powerplay after powerplay is not hockey.

PT2: It is much easier for 1 ref to be consistent. He'll make the same kind of calls he made all night. With 2 refs, you have one calling one thing and the other not calling the same thing. Leads to way to many inconsistencies.

PT3: I can't think of any memorable shootouts either.

PT4: Somebody made a comment about trying to protect the point, that's why they went with 3 points. That makes sense, but not in the grand scheme of things. Every game should be worth the same amount of points. Why not make a shootout loss worth 0 points then, and the win worth 2, that way all games are equal. Or make a regulation win worth 3 points instead of 2, that way every game is worth the same amount of points.

PT5: So what makes deliberately shooting the puck over the boards intentionally any different than icing the puck intentionally. It's the exact same thing. Also they are calling penalties when it isn't deliberate, the refs aren't using their discretion. The ice can get pretty bad at the end of period or at the end of the game, and it isn't too hard to put a bouncing puck over the boards. They should just make it so the team can't change like during an icing.

PT6: I agree completely with you on removng the red line, great rule change that I've supported for many years.

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Bettman has made the game better than it was 3 years ago.
Does anyone remember how boring some of those games were.
I am not a fan of the shootout but to me it is just as bad as a tie, unless the Canadiens win of course.
The penalties have speed up the game although I hate power play filled games the players will learn stick to waist = penalty!

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If you think Bettman has done such a poor job, ask MLB how long it took to come back to their previous popularity after their lockout? It took five years, and they still have the same problems:
right but there a fundemental diffrence .


fill a hockey rink 16,800 to 20,000
fill a ball park 40,000 to 55,000


how much harder is it to fill a ball park?





who cant fill a hockey stadium in the usa when your given out 2 for 1 tickets and slashing prices ? that what happened last season .



lets seee if the " new nhl " attendace keeps up this year with higher prices . i have my doubts .

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You know what? I think the people who ***** and moan about the new game being boring should put up or shut up. Either stop watching the game or admit that you're still entertained.

I couldn't watch large stretches of hockey back in the dark ages. If you want clutching/grabbing/0-40-5 records after being down by 1 after 2 periods, well, sorry. This isn't your game anymore.

If I have to choose between a bunch of Tie Domis and a bunch of Saku Koivus, I know which one I'll pick.

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lets seee if the " new nhl " attendace keeps up this year with higher prices . i have my doubts .
I'll bet you vCash 100 right now.

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Well then...quit watching. You'll get no pitty from me.
Not looking for your pity... that's my opinion. Dismount your high horse, sir!

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I'll bet you vCash 100 right now.

how about 400 in canadain tire money instead ?

seriously tho lets take a loook for a second .one of the chepest seats in the entire Nhl is Anhiem . ill keep my eye on it .


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Here are my problems with your "golden age of hockey"

- Too many penalties.
- Inconsistent calls, one too many referees.
- Shootouts are boring, I'd rather a tie game.
- Some games are worth 2 points, others are worth 3 points?
Doesn't make much sense
- Shooting the puck over the glass should have the same
consequences as icing the puck.
You're saying that having a tie game would be more fun then watching shootouts?

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