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06-12-2013, 10:22 PM
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honestly moving WPG to NW, Minny to central and NSH to the SE wouldve made the most sense.

but no, nothing can be easy with this league



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They have an option to change it after three years.

Once teams start getting screwed they will. It will happen. Maybe this is the thing that gets Bettman booted LOL.
And honestly during that three years I hope someone does get screwed, because that's what we'll need to not make this garbage permanent.

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If he does (and assuming we don't know it), we really can't chance waiting it out. All of the other options will have dried up.
I can think of one option that'll still be available...

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Our division is pretty meh. I'd expect to finish ahead of NJ, WSH, CAR, and PHI.

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honestly moving WPG to NW, Minny to central and NSH to the SE wouldve made the most sense.

but no, nothing can be easy with this league



poor florida
the florida/tampa thing is so idiotic i have no words for it.

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yup...also reports have come out that there's a Glendale city council meeting on June 25th and NHL Board of Governors meeting June 27th. So by the end of the month we should all know a final answer on Phoenix.
Seattle or Kansas City.

KC has a gorgeous arena waiting for an NHL franchise, Sprint Center.

Seattle is very serious about getting both an NHL and NBA team.

Two 8 team divisions, two 7 team divisions.

The NHL is expanding by two, almost guaranteed. And probably sooner rather then later.

Coyotes move to Kansas City, because they're already prepared. New franchises in Seattle and the Greater Toronto Area. Columbus moves to the Atlantic Division. Now there are four 8 team divisions.

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And honestly during that three years I hope someone does get screwed, because that's what we'll need to not make this garbage permanent.
You know that it will be the Rangers. That's just how it goes in Ranger land.

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Seattle or Kansas City.

KC has a gorgeous arena waiting for an NHL franchise, Sprint Center.

Seattle is very serious about getting both an NHL and NBA team.

Two 8 team divisions, two 7 team divisions.

The NHL is expanding by two, almost guaranteed. And probably sooner rather then later.
Quebec City is definitely in the mix for expansion in the next 2-3 years as well. Someone will have to move back to the Western Conference in a few years, no other way around it (which makes next year's 16-14 setup all the more idiotic).

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I can think of one option that'll still be available...
Messier is not an option.

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the florida/tampa thing is so idiotic i have no words for it.
Only way the Northeast division makes sense is if there are plans down the road to move Florida and or Tampa to Canada . Not a huge fan of the realignment as a Ranger fan.

As for the coaching position, AV has gotta be thinking that NYR are stalling no? Interview over, none others happening and he isn't the shoe in? Seems like they are buying time maybe for Tippett, or some unknown. Would like NYR to publicly 'thank Mess for wanting to do more for this team, but no thanks'.

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honestly moving WPG to NW, Minny to central and NSH to the SE wouldve made the most sense.

but no, nothing can be easy with this league



poor florida
Nashville is in the central time zone: they have never wanted to move east. Columbus and especially Detroit wanted to move east because they are the only teams in the eastern time zone and all their away games start late.

Looking at a map without the time zones doesn't explain it.

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Quebec City is definitely in the mix for expansion in the next 2-3 years as well. Someone will have to move back to the Western Conference in a few years, no other way around it (which makes next year's 16-14 setup all the more idiotic).
There's an issue with Quebec City. And its the same Issue that caused them to lose their franchise in the first place.

While they may love their hockey in Quebec City, is the local economy strong enough to support a major league franchise? It may not be. And they don't have an arena.

Kansas City has the arena. They've hosted NHL games in recent years. And they have a history with the league as well. Kansas City Scouts.

Seattle is building an arena to house an NHL and NBA franchise. They'll form a natural rivalry with Vancouver. Portlanders will be able to attend games if they want. 173 miles.

Toronto, the largest city in Canada, can support another franchise. New York can support 3, and its not a traditional hockey market like New England and the north-mid-west Wisconsin, Minnesota, Michigan area. Hamilton, Ontario.

Kansas City
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Realign Columbus. Atlantic Division. They're EST anyway.

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There's an issue with Quebec City. And its the same Issue that caused them to lose their franchise in the first place.

While they may love their hockey in Quebec City, is the local economy strong enough to support a major league franchise? It may not be. And they don't have an arena.

Kansas City has the arena. They've hosted NHL games in recent years. And they have a history with the league as well. Kansas City Scouts.

Seattle is building an arena to house an NHL and NBA franchise. They'll form a natural rivalry with Vancouver. Portlanders will be able to attend games if they want. 173 miles.

Toronto, the largest city in Canada, can support another franchise. New York can support 3, and its not a traditional hockey market like New England and the north-mid-west Wisconsin, Minnesota, Michigan area. Hamilton, Ontario.

Kansas City
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Realign Columbus. Atlantic Division. They're EST anyway.
Agreed. It will be KC and Seattle and I think it will be soon.

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Nashville is in the central time zone: they have never wanted to move east. Columbus and especially Detroit wanted to move east because they are the only teams in the eastern time zone and all their away games start late.

Looking at a map without the time zones doesn't explain it.
i get that timezones are a factor but geographically speaking the best team to replace atlanta in the SE would be nashville

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i get that timezones are a factor but geographically speaking the best team to replace atlanta in the SE would be nashville
If they kept to the current format, absolutely.

But the realignment is based on time zone. And its the reason for the Florida teams being in the new division they're going to be in. They are transient cities anyway. A lot of relocated and vacationing northerners. Including Canadians. The Florida teams will draw by facing Boston, Montreal, Toronto, Detroit. Big draw teams. These are now division games. The distance won't matter. Same time zone. Ticket sales may increase. No more Carolina, Atlanta, Winnipeg, DC. Small time teams. No history. Suddenly they now have division games against four original six clubs.

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I think a team in Seattle would do quite well.

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I think a team in Seattle would do quite well.
Agree.

Seattle is large enough on its own, add decent distance to Portland, Tacoma, even Spokane (do the Flames lay claim to Spokane?).

There are enough satellite cities around Seattle. Close to Vancouver for a major rivalry to grow. Huge opportunity for the NHL.

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I think a team in Seattle would do quite well.
I could see NBC pushing a "Washington vs. Washington" rivalry.

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Coyotes should go to Seattle. It makes sense. Seattle has history winning the first Stanley Cup in the US in 1917, with the Thunderbirds in the WHL, and being natural rivals to Vancouver and the Cali teams.

Kansas City will NOT work!!! I don't care if their arena is a combo of Barclays Center/the Enterprise/Death Star/Technodrome........PEOPLE IN KC DO NOT CARE ABOUT HOCKEY!!!!!

I've been there, there is ZERO interest. 1)College Football 2)Chiefs 3)College Basketball 4)BBQ 5)Baseball are the interests there. Baseball is only low because the Royals have been so bad for so long.

It would be a disaster that makes Phoenix look desirable.

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Coyotes should go to Seattle. It makes sense. Seattle has history winning the first Stanley Cup in the US in 1917, with the Thunderbirds in the WHL, and being natural rivals to Vancouver and the Cali teams.

Kansas City will NOT work!!! I don't care if their arena is a combo of Barclays Center/the Enterprise/Death Star/Technodrome........PEOPLE IN KC DO NOT CARE ABOUT HOCKEY!!!!!

I've been there, there is ZERO interest. 1)College Football 2)Chiefs 3)College Basketball 4)BBQ 5)Baseball are the interests there. Baseball is only low because the Royals have been so bad for so long.

It would be a disaster that makes Phoenix look desirable.
Oh... you've been there. I see now how you consider yourself such an expert on the city. C'mon with that nonsense.

If hockey can work in Nashville, like it has been, it can work in Kansas City. The Phoenix disaster, by the way, has absolutely nothing to do with the viability of the market. Same thing in Atlanta. Business factors involving the arena are really the sole issue. Alas, I don't think KC will be the place anyway. The arena is pulling in scads of cash without an anchor tenant. There's no incentive to bring a team there.

I really believe that Seattle is the best bet, but the NHL would have to be pulling some serious MLB-type stuff to go there. At this moment, no arena is going to be built unless there's an NBA expansion there. The NHL would be moving into an arena totally unsuitable for hockey with the hopes that maybe, just maybe, the arena gets built. That kind of thing worked out for MLB when they moved the Expos to DC, but it's a huge risk.

If only Houston or Portland had ownership and arena managers who were interested in an NHL franchise, because both of those are great options with suitable arenas. Les Alexander and Paul Allen don't seem to be interested though. The NHL is, and should be, reluctant to go to QC on a relocation simply because the expansion fees are far more lucrative than the relocation ones and QC has an owner willing to pay it.

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Coyotes should go to Seattle. It makes sense. Seattle has history winning the first Stanley Cup in the US in 1917, with the Thunderbirds in the WHL, and being natural rivals to Vancouver and the Cali teams.

Kansas City will NOT work!!! I don't care if their arena is a combo of Barclays Center/the Enterprise/Death Star/Technodrome........PEOPLE IN KC DO NOT CARE ABOUT HOCKEY!!!!!

It would be a disaster that makes Phoenix look desirable.
Agreed. I know the NHL looks at the south as an untapped market where they can develop fans, but Atlanta and Phoenix should seal the deal. Just look at attendance, the fact that no one wants to own the Coyotes, etc.., Don't make same mistake in KC.

Anyone want a coach for NYR that hasn't been mentioned?

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I would love to see a team in Seattle. They would 100% do well, and have a rivalry with Vancouver immediately. KC would be cool too. And Quebec City.

Florida doesn't need two hockey teams.

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A 5th place team could have more points than the 2nd, 3rd, 4th place team in the other division and not make the playoffs.
That's completely untrue. If a 5th place team in one division has more points than the 4th in the other, you get a crossover situation.

That being said, technically, a 6th place team could have more points than the 3rd place team in another division and miss the playoffs. Not going to happen with anything resembling frequency, though.

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Alright, let's try and steer this discussion back to head coaches. If you want to talk about relocation, please use the Around the NHL thread.

@puckrush, Jeff Blashill interests me. Asst coach for DET in 2011-2012, head coach for Grand Rapids this year, who are in the AHL finals IIRC.

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Anyone want a coach for NYR that hasn't been mentioned?
We've already discussed Full House characters as candidates. I don't know how many other options could possibly be left

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