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06-13-2013, 01:55 AM
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Calgary - Philly

Flames Give:

2013 1st round pick 22nd overall
2014 2nd round pick

Laurent Brossoit Age 20
2011-2012 Edmonton Oil Kings-WHL GP 61 G 42 L 13 GAA 2.47 SV% .914
Brossoit is a strong, athletic, and agile goaltender who has a long reach and can extend his large frame to fill the upper section of the net. The butterfly goalie can be at times brilliant and get on a hot streak but is prone to letting in a weak goal on a harmless-looking shot when he's fighting his game. His biggest weakness is that he can be susceptible to letting in soft goals and losing his mental focus. If Brossoit can put all of his physical tools together and get stronger mentally as he matures then the talent goalie could become a dominant NHL goaltender. (Hockey's Future)

Dennis Wideman (age 30) $5.25m UFA 17/18 Season Age 34
2012-2013 Flames GP 46 G 6 A 16 P 22
.53 points per game over the last 3 years


Philly gives:

Ilya Bryzgalov (Age 31) $5.67m UFA 19/20 Season Age 38
Enough Said major salary dump

Sean Couturier (Age 20) $1.375m RFA 14/15 season Age 21
Philadelphia Flyers NHL GP 46 G4 A11 PTS15
.34 points per game

Philly gets rid of bryzgalov and his ridiculous contract and picks up a young goaltender with potential.
Philly has a number of defensive dmen (couburn, schenn grossmann) but they lack a high power offensive dman. Enter Wideman. Yes he is a 30 year old but he has speed, is able to QB a powerplay like few can. He was tied for 27th in def league scoring last year with the likes of doughty, john Carlson, bouwmeester the year before he was 10th in def scoring and the year before that he was tied for 24th. He is a top 2 defenseman that Philly can rely on for a number of years.
Philly also picks up a couple of picks one being a 2nd first rounder in a very deep draft in the area where Morrissey, pulock and fucale are expected to go

Calgary picks up a horrendous contract in Bryzgalov but can see if he can fight Ramo/berra for the starting position or if ownership will suck it up and pay out a stupid amount of money and buy him out. but on the bright side picks up a young TWF with a fair bit of potential (yes he had a bad year last year but the whole team did) he will never be a stamkos or a malkin, but he does have a decent potential ceiling (prob around a 60pt / year player who excels defensively) and will speed up the flames rebuild (sorry feaster I meant re-tooling)

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06-13-2013, 02:10 AM
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Philly says no quite easily.

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oh god. this is so bad.

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I would think the Flyers pass. I don't know about actual NHL GM's, but I hate the idea of depreciating the value of a valuable asset (Couturier) by pairing it with a "negative-value" piece (Bryz).

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I would think the Flyers pass. I don't know about actual NHL GM's, but I hate the idea of depreciating the value of a valuable asset (Couturier) by pairing it with a "negative-value" piece (Bryz).
It only works on guys like Franson, not top young guys like Couturier.

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06-13-2013, 03:28 AM
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Philly says no quite easily.
lol no they wouldn't. They would be ****ing stupid to say no to this and the Flames would be stupid to say yes.

The Flyers would get:

A 1st round pick in a deep draft.
A top offensive 4 defenseman.
A high 2nd next year.
A good goaltending prospect.

and the Flames get:

Couturier who at best will be a great 2-way #2 center.
and an abortion of a contract that would cost the team $23,000,000 to buyout


I don't know how anyone can be delusional enough to think that is bad for Philly. I could see an argument that Wideman doesn't fit their needs and such, but to claim its bad for them is just ridiculous.

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06-13-2013, 03:32 AM
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Flyers don't need a goalie prospect. The have a legit goalie prospect and they are high on Stolarz and Wideman becomes worthless now that they have the negotiating rights of Streit. The flyers pass on this easily.

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lol no they wouldn't. They would be ****ing stupid to say no to this and the Flames would be stupid to say yes.

The Flyers would get:

A 1st round pick in a deep draft.
A top offensive 4 defenseman.
A high 2nd next year.
A good goaltending prospect.

and the Flames get:

Couturier who at best will be a great 2-way #2 center.
and an abortion of a contract that would cost the team $23,000,000 to buyout


I don't know how anyone can be delusional enough to think that is bad for Philly. I could see an argument that Wideman doesn't fit their needs and such, but to claim its bad for them is just ridiculous.
A late first is still a late first and a 2nd is still a 2nd. Wideman is not what Philly needs and it's not even close. They need a good 2-way guy, especially since they got Streit. Philly has Stolarz in the system who is a better prospect and Mason on the big club, they don't need a goalie prospect. They don't get anything that they need and they are giving up Couturier.

With amnesty buyouts and how money really isn't a worry in Philly, they aren't going to trade Bryz at the expensive of an asset with any sort of positive value.

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06-13-2013, 03:41 AM
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It only works on guys like Franson, not top young guys like Couturier.
Franson worked out quite well

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A late first is still a late first and a 2nd is still a 2nd. Wideman is not what Philly needs and it's not even close. They need a good 2-way guy, especially since they got Streit. Philly has Stolarz in the system who is a better prospect and Mason on the big club, they don't need a goalie prospect. They don't get anything that they need and they are giving up Couturier.

With amnesty buyouts and how money really isn't a worry in Philly, they aren't going to trade Bryz at the expensive of an asset with any sort of positive value.
Like I said I can see an argument saying the pieces don't work for Philly, but claiming poor value for Philly is just blatantly inaccurate.

It's an even worse deal for the Flames.

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lol no they wouldn't. They would be ****ing stupid to say no to this and the Flames would be stupid to say yes.

The Flyers would get:

A 1st round pick in a deep draft.
A top offensive 4 defenseman.
A high 2nd next year.
A good goaltending prospect.

and the Flames get:

Couturier who at best will be a great 2-way #2 center.
and an abortion of a contract that would cost the team $23,000,000 to buyout


I don't know how anyone can be delusional enough to think that is bad for Philly. I could see an argument that Wideman doesn't fit their needs and such, but to claim its bad for them is just ridiculous.
there is nothing wrong with being a great 2 way #2 center

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Franson worked out quite well
I'm just saying at the time he didn't have Couturier value.

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there is nothing wrong with being a great 2 way #2 center
did I say there was? but a great #2 center doesn't get a 1st round pick, 2nd round pick, top 4 defenseman and a good prospect as a return.

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Like I said I can see an argument saying the pieces don't work for Philly, but claiming poor value for Philly is just blatantly inaccurate.

It's an even worse deal for the Flames.
Well, I said Philly would say no, I said nothing about value. Bryzgalov also doesn't have negative trade value to the Flyers because they can just buy him out.

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did I say there was? but a great #2 center doesn't get a 1st round pick, 2nd round pick, top 4 defenseman and a good prospect as a return.
It just sounded like you were hating on coots a little bit

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It just sounded like you were hating on coots a little bit
I actually like Couturier a while lot. But he is so over valued by posters on here that its crazy

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I actually like Couturier a while lot. But he is so over valued by posters on here that its crazy
Yes he is.

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Holmgren answers, listens as far as Bryzgalov's name involved and then hangs up at the sign of Couturier involved. Wideman's involvement in the trade is an absolute sticking point. Couturier is still only 21 years old.

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I think the Flyers will just keep Couts

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did I say there was? but a great #2 center doesn't get a 1st round pick, 2nd round pick, top 4 defenseman and a good prospect as a return.
are you sure? Pominville got Matt Hackett, Johan Larsson, a 1st round pick in 2013 and a 2nd round pick in 2014

that's pretty close

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The trade isn't great value for Philly.

And the Flames can likely get a Couturier-comparable centre with their number 6 pick (either Lindholm or Monahan). They don't really need to do this trade.

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It only works on guys like Franson, not top young guys like Couturier.
Wait, but a few weeks ago Leaf fans tried saying they could get Couturier for Franson

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The problem is that Flyers fans are looking at Couturier's upside whereas other posters are rating him as the player he is now. Impossible to bridge that gap.

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The problem is that Flyers fans are looking at Couturier's upside whereas other posters are rating him as the player he is now. Impossible to bridge that gap.
Yeah I'd agree. That's why I think Calgary can just get Lindholm or Monahan and be in the same position - having a young centre with good upside.

Couturier has potential, but he's not Matt Duchene at this point.

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I forgot that people on this site don't look at trades logically. If a ownership group is given a get out of jail free card for a $34 million dollar mistake and they are given a good prospect a decent pick in a deep draft and an player who can make an immediate impact right now (who has been in the top 25 for def scoring for the last 3 years) all for one decent but not allstar prospect they take this and run. Right now philly is 3mill over the cap. There is no way that ownership buys out both brier and bryzgalov paying out $50million to players who are no longer with them. They most likey will try to make something happen and may even end up as the devils and playing over the cap costing them a future 1st round pick. This trade allows them to do a buyout on brier and brier alone costing them a measly 12m and opening up about 3m to play with to resign / retool their roster. I completely agree if couturier was a franchise player you would never do this. Yes he has potential yes, but he is not a Duchene / nugent Hopkins. He will most likely develop into a 40-60 point per game player who is strong in his own end. I agree you would like to see a jake gardiner or a alex peitrangelo coming back for couts but its just not going to happen, young defence are the fad right now and everyone is holding tight to them.

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