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Even at 5.5, I'd do it. If you want 22-minute defensemen, you have to pay up. Either that or draft them. And we don't draft them.

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I second this post.
He was reported by Newsday turning done 3 years at 4.75 per.
He wants four years which is what Philly is going to have to give him. He's confident that the length won't be an issue. Leaving NY isn't about the cash it's about that fourth year. No way is Streit getting anywhere close to 6 per. I see a four year 20 million deal.

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I said it yesterday but I think he signs a contract for 4 years 18 million dollars. It is a 4.5 which is better for the Flyers, and he gets his 4th year.

6 million
5 million
4 million
3 million.

Thats how I would do it if I was Homer.

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Even at 5.5, I'd do it. If you want 22-minute defensemen, you have to pay up. Either that or draft them. And we don't draft them.
It seems to be in dispute that Streit can give a team 22 minutes of quality play a night. I'm not saying I'm against having him on the team – quite the contrary! – but I don't see Streit as a workhorse who can log the big minutes in all key situations. Fortunately, a theoretical Grossmann-Gustafsson third pairing means that nobody needs to be played into the ground.

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I said it yesterday but I think he signs a contract for 4 years 18 million dollars. It is a 4.5 which is better for the Flyers, and he gets his 4th year.

6 million
5 million
4 million
3 million.

Thats how I would do it if I was Homer.
That fourth year really worries me because of the 35+ deal. I think three years, barring any injury he will be an effective player. You get into that fourth year and I start to think he will be more of a hinderance than a help. At $4.5 million though, I think you are right. I would probably do it.

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It seems to be in dispute that Streit can give a team 22 minutes of quality play a night. I'm not saying I'm against having him on the team – quite the contrary! – but I don't see Streit as a workhorse who can log the big minutes in all key situations. Fortunately, a theoretical Grossmann-Gustafsson third pairing means that nobody needs to be played into the ground.
Well if you look at his splits through last year and even the year before, he still gives you big time minutes.

This year he averaged 18:15 per game on even strength play.
This year he averages 3:45 per game(PP QB, we need one desperately for the 2nd PP unit)
Even as a terrible defenseman which he has been portrayed as he averages 1:20 on the PK this year.
TTOI-23:20

Now the year before he had almost the same numbers.

Even strength ice per game was at 18:57
PP time per game was at 3:42
SH time was actually less at 0:42 per game.
TTOI-23:22

People see he was a minus and instantly think he is a horrible player. Pair him with a player like Grossmann or Coburn and let Streit do his thing, and we shouldn't worry about him. Streit will help this team move the puck out of our zone and contribute big points from the back end. We need this desperately. He has a great first pass and a good shot from the back. He also provides leadership, which we always need.

I have never seen a 3rd pairing defender play 23 mins a night. Seems like some Islander fans and other teams fans are just trolling anything and everything Flyers related. But that's not new.


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It seems to be in dispute that Streit can give a team 22 minutes of quality play a night. I'm not saying I'm against having him on the team – quite the contrary! – but I don't see Streit as a workhorse who can log the big minutes in all key situations. Fortunately, a theoretical Grossmann-Gustafsson third pairing means that nobody needs to be played into the ground.
I think at the price he was obtained, he's the best fit for what Philly currently needs. They aren't going to use him to shut-down top pairings and will probably give him sheltered 5 v 5 minutes, rare PK time and a ton of PP time.

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It seems to be in dispute that Streit can give a team 22 minutes of quality play a night. I'm not saying I'm against having him on the team – quite the contrary! – but I don't see Streit as a workhorse who can log the big minutes in all key situations. Fortunately, a theoretical Grossmann-Gustafsson third pairing means that nobody needs to be played into the ground.
Minutes-wise he already was being used that way. He also doesn't have the same mileage as other heavily-used 35-year olds because of how long he played in the NLA. And he never averaged less than 23 minutes a game with the Islanders. The Flyers lacked the minutes eater when Matt Carle walked, and this year's UFA class is devoid of them, so guess what happens.

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It comes down to though that while we would need Streit to eat some minutes, Gustafsson and Grossmann on the 3rd pairing will be very helpful. One plays the pk and the other 2nd PP. We can even out the team alittle bit more and not worry giving too much time to players like Gervias.

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Can't wait until they sign him because the meltdowns on the board will be hilariously awesome!

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It comes down to though that while we would need Streit to eat some minutes, Gustafsson and Grossmann on the 3rd pairing will be very helpful. One plays the pk and the other 2nd PP. We can even out the team alittle bit more and not worry giving too much time to players like Gervias.
Seriously, we have legitimately three competitive pairings if all are healthy. When is the last time we had this?

I mean our top 4 is certainly not as good as it was in 2010, but we definitely didn't have 3 legitimate pairings.

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My prediction is 4 years/$21 million. I think it's high on money and years, but I think that's what it's going to take. They're gonna have to give him a really good deal to make him forget about testing free agency.

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My prediction is 4 years/$21 million. I think it's high on money and years, but I think that's what it's going to take. They're gonna have to give him a really good deal to make him forget about testing free agency.
Trade his rights at the draft like they did with Hammy.

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According to numerous swiss newspapers he didn't resign with the Islanders because he wants a new challenge (aka he wants to play for the cup). Salary and term haven't been the deciding factor.

http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/sport/ho...story/21089834

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According to numerous swiss newspapers he didn't resign with the Islanders because he wants a new challenge (aka he wants to play for the cup). Salary and term haven't been the deciding factor.

http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/sport/ho...story/21089834

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Yea this is what I was getting more of a feeling with. A team with a long standing history of bottom dwelling gets a shot at the playoffs and eventually gets destroyed by a team that got destroyed the next round. The comments he has made make it seem like he loves this org and its chances. You can't tell the team and fans that you don't want to play for them after being made captain because you don't like that teams chances, instead you tell them you are looking for more cash. I say 4 years 4.5 mill

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I would like to add Streit - as many people have pointed out, not losing any of our current assets for a defenseman is a solid move.

I was wondering, many people suggest getting rid of Mezaros - if we signed Streit to A 5.5 or 6 mil deal, would we still need to get rid of him for his contract hit? I'd rather go into the season with him, because you know we'll have injuries.

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I would like to add Streit - as many people have pointed out, not losing any of our current assets for a defenseman is a solid move.

I was wondering, many people suggest getting rid of Mezaros - if we signed Streit to A 5.5 or 6 mil deal, would we still need to get rid of him for his contract hit? I'd rather go into the season with him, because you know we'll have injuries.
Yeah, Mez will be the one with the injuries. Haha.

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I could see us keeping Mez if both Briere and Bryz are bought out.

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Minutes-wise he already was being used that way. He also doesn't have the same mileage as other heavily-used 35-year olds because of how long he played in the NLA. And he never averaged less than 23 minutes a game with the Islanders. The Flyers lacked the minutes eater when Matt Carle walked, and this year's UFA class is devoid of them, so guess what happens.
Carle struggled in that role so they let him go. Then Coburn took over and struggled even worse, and got hurt. Streit is certainly better than than both of them, but I have questions about how long that will last.

Either way it's better than trading Couturier or Schenn.

Edit: Actually, I think the problem we have is that our minute-eater isn't our best defenseman. That's far from ideal, but Timonen can't play that role anymore. I don't know that Streit can fix that, but hopefully he can improve the situation by a good bit.

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I could see us keeping Mez if both Briere and Bryz are bought out.
would be a stupid move to keep Mez. Flyers need to get Gus (or another young defeneman) into their line-up as a regular so he can develop

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According to numerous swiss newspapers he didn't resign with the Islanders because he wants a new challenge (aka he wants to play for the cup). Salary and term haven't been the deciding factor.

http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/sport/ho...story/21089834

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New adventure for Mark Streit

Adrian Ruch. Updated 06/06/2013

Mark Streit is looking for a new employer. "I want to go to a team that can compete for the Stanley Cup," says Berner.

On Tuesday was an article in the U.S. newspaper "Newsday" that Captain Mark Streit had rejected the offer of the New York Islanders for a contract extension and will leave the NHL franchise. The Bernese confirmed on the request message. "I will not return to the Islanders. We have recently agreed to break off the negotiations, "says the 35-year-old.

According to "Newsday" he should not have accepted a three-year contract for $ 4.75 million per season. The Berner says he wants to comment on any figures. "The pay was not the decisive factor; I am well aware that I was offered a lot of money."

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"I am looking forward to a new challenge, a new adventure." He seeks a contract over three to four years. The salary should correspond to his ability, but the most important thing for him is something else: "I want to go to a team that can compete for the Stanley Cup."

Given how happy he was to be a Flyer, I still think we can get him at or under $5 million/year... Fingers crossed.

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New adventure for Mark Streit

Adrian Ruch. Updated 06/06/2013

Mark Streit is looking for a new employer. "I want to go to a team that can compete for the Stanley Cup," says Berner.

On Tuesday was an article in the U.S. newspaper "Newsday" that Captain Mark Streit had rejected the offer of the New York Islanders for a contract extension and will leave the NHL franchise. The Bernese confirmed on the request message. "I will not return to the Islanders. We have recently agreed to break off the negotiations, "says the 35-year-old.

According to "Newsday" he should not have accepted a three-year contract for $ 4.75 million per season. The Berner says he wants to comment on any figures. "The pay was not the decisive factor; I am well aware that I was offered a lot of money."

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"I am looking forward to a new challenge, a new adventure." He seeks a contract over three to four years. The salary should correspond to his ability, but the most important thing for him is something else: "I want to go to a team that can compete for the Stanley Cup."

Given how happy he was to be a Flyer, I still think we can get him at or under $5 million/year... Fingers crossed.
I don't care if it's over 5m by a bit as long as we get him for 3 years.

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Yea this is what I was getting more of a feeling with. A team with a long standing history of bottom dwelling gets a shot at the playoffs and eventually gets destroyed by a team that got destroyed the next round. The comments he has made make it seem like he loves this org and its chances. You can't tell the team and fans that you don't want to play for them after being made captain because you don't like that teams chances, instead you tell them you are looking for more cash. I say 4 years 4.5 mill
Islanders were a nice story this year and JT is a legit top tier player, but sneaking into the 8th seed in a lockout shortened season doesn't erase the fact that when you look up and down their lineup it's not very impressive. The Flyers are full of question marks but at least the talent is there on paper.

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I think Streit would just like playing on a team that extends as much as it can in an attempt to win instead of a team at the cap floor. Be one of many well-paid players instead of one of three.

I think something like $18mil over 4 could be manageable. 6, 6, 3 and 3. Give him that extra year but lower salary on those years. He gets 6mil in the meantime and gets his 4 year term too. AAV of $4.5. I don't like the extra year, but not much you can do.

You know Streit is going to be compared to Andrei Markov in the meetings, and look how much Markov got. Even comparing Streit to Gonchar is a bad idea because Gonchar is 4 years older and still got $5mil per. I think getting it below $5mil will be a challenge, but I could see it. I would be more surprised by a contract with an AAV of under $5mil than one over.

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