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06-07-2013, 10:25 AM
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If Nonis knows that Kessel is not gonna re-sign then you trade him.
What would get more backlash?



1- Trading Phil Kessel for an amazing package, since that is what he would get for him

OR

2- Losing Phil Kessel to free agency and getting nothing for him


I think the answer is quite easy
And if he knows he can sign him, then why trade him?

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06-07-2013, 10:31 AM
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They were pretty good friends in Russia and still are, doesn't mean that one or the other will run to the others team so they can hold each other's hands.
well we really wont be able to find out if that is true until Kulemin becomes a free agent and gets to chose where he goes.

But the situations are different. Playing on the same team as someone for almost 4 years and living in the same house as them currently, is different than they were friends years ago and don't play on the same line or even on the same team. It is different. Way different.

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06-07-2013, 10:32 AM
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Kessel has been the leading scorer on the Leafs for every year since his arrival. There is no question he leaves, but there are a few question marks.

The biggest one is whether or not he wants to stay in Toronto. I think if he wants to stay Nonis will give him the money he is worth, but there is a big chance he simply wants to move on. And if that is the case, you must move him immediately. So ultimately you don't trade him BUT if he's not intending on staying you have to explore trade options. Two 1sts is too steep a price to let slip away.

Looking at the roster, you have Lupul locked in long term, you have JVR long term, you have Kadri as a RFA who will most likely re sign, you have Grabovski long term, and you still have bits and pieces like Kulemin, McClement, MacArthur if he signs, young links like Colborne, Frattin, Komarov, etc.

JVR - Kadri - Lupul
Kulemin - Grabovski - Mac

Isn't as scary as you think if we trade Kessel, but it will definitely be a scary day in Toronto I he doesn't re sign.
why would kessel want to "move on"? i dont understand why there is this paranoia that all of the leafs good players want to leave and not play for the leafs. the reasons why they should stay far out weight the reasons why they should leave, especially in kessel's case.

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06-07-2013, 10:33 AM
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That is not the only reason he would go IMO. It is just one of them.
Again, Kessel isn't 12, he's a big boy and doesn't need Bozak around to make a decision for him.

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06-07-2013, 10:37 AM
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I'm not for dealing Kessel at any realistic cost, which includes Kris Letang.

Not that Pittsburgh fans would want that but just putting it out there that I wholeheartedly don't either.
The only player on the Penguins I'm trading Kessel for is Malkin (I'm assuming Croby is as untouchable as a player gets).

He's the only player on their team that makes any sense. He's the only player that can replace Kessel's ability to create offense and he's the only player you can actually build a team around. It's Malkin or no one.

This isn't to say I think it's likely. It's not. But malkin is the onyl player I'd consider trade Kessel for.

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06-07-2013, 10:41 AM
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Did you know he has NEVER BEEN A FREE AGENT?? Obviously not!!!!!
What do you think RFA stands for?

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06-07-2013, 10:45 AM
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Are you saying that if Matt Frattin moved into the top 6 on a regular basis he wouldn't get 15-20 goals?

Kessel has averaged 30-35 goals the last 3 or 4 seasons.

Yes, Kessel is alot better than Frattin, but considering that the Leafs are like 6th in goal scoring, it wouldn't be a HUGE drop off.

Yes, 15 goals more per season is not a small margin, but considering that Kessel would bring back a decent amount if he was traded, it would offset the goal scoring reduction from Kessel to Frattin. It is that simple.
It's not just 15-20 goals per season, you have to include the offense that he creates for his line and the offense that he creates by drawing other teams top defenders.

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06-07-2013, 10:48 AM
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Phil Kessel had no say where he was going to go, Maybe he liked Toronto but bottom line that had nothing to do with him landing there it had more to do with, Toronto having the pieces for him that Boston wanted.
Kessel didn't have to sign with the Leafs...

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why would kessel want to "move on"? i dont understand why there is this paranoia that all of the leafs good players want to leave and not play for the leafs. the reasons why they should stay far out weight the reasons why they should leave, especially in kessel's case.
Let me give you a hint. Remember what happened to Mats Sundin? When he simply walked off the team. The difference between Kessel and Getzlaf, Perry, etc is the fact that we gave up an arm and a leg for him. If he leaves it would be disastrous.

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06-07-2013, 10:57 AM
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Nope it was Jay McClement fixing our PK pretty much by himself
Yeah, it's a good thing Jay was there to make sure teams never got shots off.

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It's not just 15-20 goals per season, you have to include the offense that he creates for his line and the offense that he creates by drawing other teams top defenders.
Agreed. So many fans seem to fail to grasp the concept.

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06-07-2013, 01:41 PM
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And if he knows he can sign him, then why trade him?
That's what Bryan Colangelo said about Chris Bosh, and espn was saying for two years that he was going to Miami, and Colangelo said all along he'd resign him.

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06-07-2013, 02:05 PM
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That's what Bryan Colangelo said about Chris Bosh, and espn was saying for two years that he was going to Miami, and Colangelo said all along he'd resign him.
Yes but the difference is the Leafs actually matter the Raptors? no

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06-07-2013, 02:32 PM
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That's what Bryan Colangelo said about Chris Bosh, and espn was saying for two years that he was going to Miami, and Colangelo said all along he'd resign him.
The Raptors are a whole different management team. Kessel will be retained as a Leaf.

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06-07-2013, 02:37 PM
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Kessel averages like 30-35 goals.

Frattin in a fulltime top 6 role probably gets 15-20.


So the drop off is not that extreme.
You realize hockey isn't math, right?

Do you think the Penguins are saying "well, Malkin's good for like 100 points a year so if we trade him for MacArthur who averages around 50 points and Grabovski who gets 55 points we're actually getting 105 points instead of 100...we'd be silly to not trade Malkin for Grabo & MacArthur. AND THATS NOT EVEN INCLUDING THE CAP SPACE WE'D BE SAVING!"

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He is a dynamic, scoring winger. There aren't that many of them. They could get really good value for him, but what would Toronto want?

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He is a dynamic, scoring winger. There aren't that many of them. They could get really good value for him, but what would Toronto want?
Top centre or top defender. Top prospect or top draft pick. Need value to obtain value

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06-07-2013, 02:53 PM
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Top centre or top defender. Top prospect or top draft pick. Need value to obtain value
Any specific players you want?

What about trading with a team like San Jose?

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06-13-2013, 08:43 AM
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He is a dynamic, scoring winger. There aren't that many of them. They could get really good value for him, but what would Toronto want?
Top line center or a #2 Defenceman and 1st round pick IMO

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Any specific players you want?

What about trading with a team like San Jose?
Pavelski or Couture would be the starting points IMO

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06-13-2013, 08:46 AM
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You realize hockey isn't math, right?

Do you think the Penguins are saying "well, Malkin's good for like 100 points a year so if we trade him for MacArthur who averages around 50 points and Grabovski who gets 55 points we're actually getting 105 points instead of 100...we'd be silly to not trade Malkin for Grabo & MacArthur. AND THATS NOT EVEN INCLUDING THE CAP SPACE WE'D BE SAVING!"
but 2 roster spots versus 1 is not equal. It would be grabovski and macarther vs Malkin and whatever player holds that other roster spot. So that analagy is filled with holes.

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Let me give you a hint. Remember what happened to Mats Sundin? When he simply walked off the team. The difference between Kessel and Getzlaf, Perry, etc is the fact that we gave up an arm and a leg for him. If he leaves it would be disastrous.
So true, some people forget that he has the ability to just play out the season and go where ever he wants. He owes the Leafs NOTHING!

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Probably something fairly similar to what Nash got. Not signed as long but not near the cap hit either. Both are used to being the guy on their line. Kessel continues to get better every year. Something like legit top 9 guy, potential top 4 d-man and a fairly high pick? If I was Toronto, I would go hard (lol) after a top pairing d-man even if they had to add.
Leafs are nowhere near as desperate as Columbus was. They will not trade away their best player just for the mediocre players that Columbus recieves.

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well we really wont be able to find out if that is true until Kulemin becomes a free agent and gets to chose where he goes.

But the situations are different. Playing on the same team as someone for almost 4 years and living in the same house as them currently, is different than they were friends years ago and don't play on the same line or even on the same team. It is different. Way different.
I have close friends that have moved far away... it doesn't change our friendship.

It sounds as if you're not far enough removed from highschool to understand that adults can still be close friends even if they're very far apart.

Gards and Shultz were buds in college and Shultz had no problem going to a different team that afforded him a better opportunity.

Kessel and Bozak are adults and will make decisions based on what's best for their respective careers.

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Has anyone even made a decent offer in this thread?
No, everyone's just talking about how he's leaving as soon as he hits UFA

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