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06-13-2013, 11:05 AM
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Even Chicago looked helpless.
Easy there. Boston is all the rage now but as a matter of fact, Chicago outshot the B's even though they got a couple of PP's in OT.

Besides all that, the Hawks came back twice and got the win. Deservedly. Not a single moment did the Hawks look helpless.

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06-13-2013, 11:12 AM
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Can't see it, if you trade him then you have no catalyst to move the puck, I would move Martin, Fleury, Neal before moving Letang if I was them.
They made it pretty clear that Fleury isn't going anywhere and Neal is the best bang for your buck on the team. Martin can certainly go though. Letang has a lot of value. They could get a young winger and puck moving defenceman for him. Despres is also ready for the NHL.

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06-13-2013, 11:14 AM
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Even Chicago looked helpless.
I'm not sure about that, take a look at this.

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Holy mother of crap. The Corsi numbers for that game were not anywhere near as close as I thought they would be.

http://timeonice.com/shots1213.php?gamenumber=30411

Granted, Corsi doesn't show everything. I think as far as legitimately threatening scoring changes, Boston had more than Chicago (lets say 30 to 20). But those numbers show A LOT of puck possession and control of the play from Chicago. Lop-sided.
The Corsi numbers actually reflect what most us were posting last night. The Bruins had their fair of chances, most of which came at the end of the second OT and pretty much the entire third OT, but the Hawks drove the play. The puck was on a Hawks player stick for most of the night, they were buzzing, Bruins did an excellent job blocking shot lanes.

The Hawks were far from helpless and I would say that they were the better team, by a close margin in a game that could have gone either way.

Also, I wouldn't dismiss advanced or fancy stats, especially when they are employed by nhl teams. I believe there is a quote somewhere with Chiarelli, the Bruins master mind, saying you shouldn't rely on advanced stats, but they help paint a picture of what's going on in another way. Dave Tippett of the Coyotes also has admitted to using advanced stats as well: http://www.defendingbigd.com/2012/4/...-matt-niskanen

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"We had a player that was supposed to be a great, shut-down defenseman. He was supposedly the be-all, end-all of defensemen. But when you did a 10-game analysis of him, you found out he was defending all the time because he can’t move the puck.

"Then we had another guy, who supposedly couldn’t defend a lick. Well, he was defending only 20 percent of the time because he’s making good plays out of our end. He may not be the strongest defender, but he’s only doing it 20 percent of the time. So the equation works out better the other way. I ended up trading the other defenseman."

Tippett is describing the impact of offensive zone possession time on the results that occur when a given player is on the ice. Player A can be a good defender, but if he is constantly defending instead of carrying the attack away from his net he is endangering the results of the team as a whole. Another implication of his statements is the value of defensemen with the ability to move the puck effectively


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06-13-2013, 11:18 AM
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Crosby must be happy, having Malkin there with him is a good thing. In terms of the money Crosby got a bigger extension last year 12 years 104.4 mil, no reason to be angry about that.



Can't see it, if you trade him then you have no catalyst to move the puck, I would move Martin, Fleury, Neal before moving Letang if I was them.
That's why they drafted Pouliot. Despres is also pretty good in that aspect. I guess we will soon find out, should be an interesting summer around the league

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Feel about what? Crosby signed a 12 year deal and Malkin because of the new CBA cannot be signed longer then 8 years.

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Crosby will receive $95.4 million of that over the first nine years, including an annual salary of $12 million for three seasons starting in 2013-'14.


You think he cares?
I thought Sid's cap hit was 8.7M? And Malkin at 9.5M may make a stir with the agent, more than Sid...

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Easy there. Boston is all the rage now but as a matter of fact, Chicago outshot the B's even though they got a couple of PP's in OT.

Besides all that, the Hawks came back twice and got the win. Deservedly. Not a single moment did the Hawks look helpless.
It was a good game, played by both teams...they match up well, and this should be a 6 or 7 game series...unless Rask becomes ordinary...

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06-13-2013, 11:22 AM
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I thought Sid's cap hit was 8.7M? And Malkin at 9.5M may make a stir with the agent, more than Sid...
It is a bigger cap hit but you're forgetting an extra 4 years of Crosby @ 8.7

In 9 years from now no one can guarantee that Malkin at 36 years old will be making 8.7 million per year for 4 years. That's an extra 34.8 million

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06-13-2013, 11:33 AM
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I'm not sure about that, take a look at this.



The Corsi numbers actually reflect what most us were posting last night. The Bruins had their fair of chances, most of which came at the end of the second OT and pretty much the entire third OT, but the Hawks drove the play. The puck was on a Hawks player stick for most of the night, they were buzzing, Bruins did an excellent job blocking shot lanes.

The Hawks were far from helpless and I would say that they were the better team, by a close margin in a game that could have gone either way.

Also, I wouldn't dismiss advanced or fancy stats, especially when they are employed by nhl teams. I believe there is a quote somewhere with Chiarelli, the Bruins master mind, saying you shouldn't rely on advanced stats, but they help paint a picture of what's going on in another way. Dave Tippett of the Coyotes also has admitted to using advanced stats as well: http://www.defendingbigd.com/2012/4/...-matt-niskanen
Quite a bit of that is just score effects too. The team trailing usually dominants the shot clock and that was Chicago for much of the game.

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Quite a bit of that is just score effects too. The team trailing usually dominants the shot clock and that was Chicago for much of the game.
That's also true. However, the point here was to show that the Hawks weren't "helpless".

While it's true that Chicago needed to pick up the pace once the lead was conceded, I found that once the game was tied, Chicago continued to dictate the play until late in the second OT. Same for the first, until Lucic's goal, Chicago drove the play.

Overall, I thought the game was pretty even and could have gone either way. While I found that Chicago drove possession, whether that was because they trailed, perhaps. I don't know, but to say that Chicago looked helpless, I disagree entirely.

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They made it pretty clear that Fleury isn't going anywhere and Neal is the best bang for your buck on the team. Martin can certainly go though. Letang has a lot of value. They could get a young winger and puck moving defenceman for him. Despres is also ready for the NHL.
All they said was "Fleury is still our #1", doesn't stop them from trading or buying him out, just stops the rumors in the media for a few weeks. I rarely believe GM's in the papers.


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That's why they drafted Pouliot. Despres is also pretty good in that aspect. I guess we will soon find out, should be an interesting summer around the league
None of those guys is anywhere close to replacing Letang. Despres is not even an offensive guy, more a stay at home type.

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I thought Sid's cap hit was 8.7M? And Malkin at 9.5M may make a stir with the agent, more than Sid...
The only reason Malkin has a higher cap hit is the new CBA because Crosby signed a "cap circumventing" contract under the old CBA for 12 years.

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06-13-2013, 11:59 AM
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Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie 1h Weber/Suter deals have skewed high-end D market. Safe bet to assume Letang will be looking for at least double his current $3.5M salary.

Subban also?

6-7 years at 7 mil per year.

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Any word on Horton's injury?

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Why exactly are we trading the only guy to crash the net during the playoffs ? He is also the size we are already lacking. How about switching him for our 5'7 captain ?
He is injury prone and based on his history, regressing with age, and his physicality can easily disappear come next season. No one would want Gionta.

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Any word on Horton's injury?
Minor, will probably miss game 2.

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Kevin Forbes ‏@kforbesy 5m Tough day on the hockey prospect front with the news on both Edmonton's Kristian Pelss and Dallas's Scott Winkler.

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I'm not sure about that, take a look at this.



The Corsi numbers actually reflect what most us were posting last night. The Bruins had their fair of chances, most of which came at the end of the second OT and pretty much the entire third OT, but the Hawks drove the play. The puck was on a Hawks player stick for most of the night, they were buzzing, Bruins did an excellent job blocking shot lanes.

The Hawks were far from helpless and I would say that they were the better team, by a close margin in a game that could have gone either way.

Also, I wouldn't dismiss advanced or fancy stats, especially when they are employed by nhl teams. I believe there is a quote somewhere with Chiarelli, the Bruins master mind, saying you shouldn't rely on advanced stats, but they help paint a picture of what's going on in another way. Dave Tippett of the Coyotes also has admitted to using advanced stats as well: http://www.defendingbigd.com/2012/4/...-matt-niskanen
Way to take one part of the post an put it out of context, when I specifically commented about the first two periods of overtime.

Keep those ridiculous micro-stats for yourself. The fact is, 9 times out of 10, Boston scores that winning goal in the first two periods of OT. They were playing way better hockey than Chicago, who just kept begging to get beaten by giving the puck to the Boston Ds every time they attacked by attempting ridiculous plays/dekes.

For two periods of OT, Boston made Chicago look like a bunch of pee-wees. No matter the number of shots and puck possession time.

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He is injury prone and based on his history, regressing with age, and his physicality can easily disappear come next season. No one would want Gionta.
I'm not sure about that. He cried in front of Therrien, which makes him the best captain in the NHL...

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What happened to Winkler?

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What happened to Winkler?
I saw a tweet that just said he was found dead in his home...no other info (yet).

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Way to take one part of the post an put it out of context, when I specifically commented about the first two periods of overtime.

Keep those ridiculous micro-stats for yourself. The fact is, 9 times out of 10, Boston scores that winning goal in the first two periods of OT. They were playing way better hockey than Chicago, who just kept begging to get beaten by giving the puck to the Boston Ds every time they attacked by attempting ridiculous plays/dekes.

For two periods of OT, Boston made Chicago look like a bunch of pee-wees. No matter the number of shots and puck possession time.
There is only one fact. Chicago won last night in a close game.

Let's not act like Chicago are scrubs offensively compared to the Bruins. Sure Bruins will score 9 out of 10 times with chances like that in OT, but so will the Hawks who had their fair of chances to end the game early in OT as well.

Also I disagree that Boston made Chicago look like "pee-wee" players. That is a gross exaggeration.

Great Boston outplayed Chicago in latter half of the second OT and for a good chunk of the 3rd OT. However, during regulation (where we can expect most of the series to be played) and the first OT the Hawks drove the pace of the game.

Also, I shouldn't have to keep advanced to myself. I also wouldn't call them ridiculous when some forms of advanced stats get used by nhl teams. Where there are disagreements about how the game was perceived, stats help clear up the story to a certain extent.

It was an extremely close game, could have gone either way. While Chicago dominated possession and drove the offensive play, Boston played a great counter-attack game and were extremely disciplined positionally to create their counter-attack rushes which they are so effective at doing.

Anyway, I won't take it any further. I don't expect you to agree. You have your way of seeing the game, I disagree with it. I'll leave it there.


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Really liked Pelss as a gritty bottom 6 prospect. Awful news on many levels.

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Any one like the idea of singing Filpulla and using him on the wing?

IF his contract demands come down?

Filpulla-Plekanec-Gionta
Pacioretty-Eller-Gallagher
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Any one like the idea of singing Filpulla and using him on the wing?

IF his contract demands come down?

Filpulla-Plekanec-Gionta
Pacioretty-Eller-Gallagher
Bourque-Galchenyuk-Prust??
3.5 or less, sure.

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