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06-13-2013, 12:49 PM
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So people have been reading into this signing as it being more than an AHL/ injury call up contract? He's getting a one way to be a good soldier, it's pretty simple.
I love how thia board by in large feels why we aren't a good team is because of our 3rd and 4th lines and bottom pairing D. And spend copious amounts of time discussing it.

Watching the Finals game last night you see two teams who've won cups recently. The top two lines and the top pairing D are roughly the same. The rest of the roster is filled with young players, rentals and good enough players to fit under the cap. That's how you win. Making your top lines and D better than the other teams. Bottom guys are relatively inconsequential.

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No, it isn't. Depth is having a 5th/6th defenseman who'd be good enough to play on the 2nd pair on most teams; or a 7th or 8th good enough for 3rd pair duties. Depth is having a 3rd liner who could play top 6 on most teams. Drewiske is an insurance policy in case of injuries, seen as a better option (or more options) for your GM than calling up a youngster.
But he says he is! He must be right

If Drewiske is depth, so are 29 other 7th D-men in the league.

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Geoff Molson should have asked him to rename himself BREWiske...

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I love how thia board by in large feels why we aren't a good team is because of our 3rd and 4th lines and bottom pairing D. And spend copious amounts of time discussing it.

Watching the Finals game last night you see two teams who've won cups recently. The top two lines and the top pairing D are roughly the same. The rest of the roster is filled with young players, rentals and good enough players to fit under the cap. That's how you win. Making your top lines and D better than the other teams. Bottom guys are relatively inconsequential.
Shawn Thornton, Greg Campbell (even if he didn't play yesterday) and Shawn Thornton are not inconsequential. Kelly and Peverley are not neither.

Just like guys like McQuaid and Krug have an impact. Just like 3rd pairing d-men like Roszival and Oduya aren't.

In Chicago, you also get players like Bolland and Shaw playing on a 3rd line. A guy like Krueger or Frolik on the 4th line is also far from being "inconsequential".

In Montreal, you have a guy like Armstrong on the 4th line, who's neither tough OR skilled OR quick, or anything at all. You've got Moen who's more and more growing into this kind of player as well. And you have no real 4th line center capable of assuming this role.

Even worst, you've got Gorges as your 3rd d-man, which means your d-squad pretty much sucks.

We need to improve throughout the whole lineup. But saying depth players have no importance, especially watching those playoffs where guys like Bickell, Krug and Paille made their team win games, is ridiculous.

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Shawn Thornton, Greg Campbell (even if he didn't play yesterday) and Shawn Thornton are not inconsequential. Kelly and Peverley are not neither.

Just like guys like McQuaid and Krug have an impact. Just like 3rd pairing d-men like Roszival and Oduya aren't.

In Chicago, you also get players like Bolland and Shaw playing on a 3rd line. A guy like Krueger or Frolik on the 4th line is also far from being "inconsequential".

In Montreal, you have a guy like Armstrong on the 4th line, who's neither tough OR skilled OR quick, or anything at all. You've got Moen who's more and more growing into this kind of player as well. And you have no real 4th line center capable of assuming this role.

Even worst, you've got Gorges as your 3rd d-man, which means your d-squad pretty much sucks.

We need to improve throughout the whole lineup. But saying depth players have no importance, especially watching those playoffs where guys like Bickell, Krug and Paille made their team win games, is ridiculous.
We have 2-4 guys who are looking for bottom 6 roles as soon as next season. We'll be fine in the bottom-6 by the time we're a legitimate stanley cup contender.

What Habs fans need to have is patience. I, like you all, love to watch Montreal win, but as it stands we're not going to win a cup with this present team. With top-6 prospects like Galchenyuk (prospect?), Collberg, Hudon, and Kristo, along with bottom-6 guys like Leblanc, Bozon, Bournival, and Dumont, the future looks bright. We all just have to hang in here for another 2-3 years.

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06-13-2013, 01:04 PM
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Shawn Thornton, Greg Campbell (even if he didn't play yesterday) and Shawn Thornton are not inconsequential. Kelly and Peverley are not neither.

Just like guys like McQuaid and Krug have an impact. Just like 3rd pairing d-men like Roszival and Oduya aren't.

In Chicago, you also get players like Bolland and Shaw playing on a 3rd line. A guy like Krueger or Frolik on the 4th line is also far from being "inconsequential".

In Montreal, you have a guy like Armstrong on the 4th line, who's neither tough OR skilled OR quick, or anything at all. You've got Moen who's more and more growing into this kind of player as well. And you have no real 4th line center capable of assuming this role.

Even worst, you've got Gorges as your 3rd d-man, which means your d-squad pretty much sucks.

We need to improve throughout the whole lineup. But saying depth players have no importance, especially watching those playoffs where guys like Bickell, Krug and Paille made their team win games, is ridiculous.
Thornton didn't get a single shift in OT so obviously his coach didn't think he had much to add. Guys like Armstrong and Moen can be trusted in defensive zone faceoffs, that's part of the reason NHL teams have guys like that. On here all you hear about is scorers and bangers/fighters.

Halpern was fine as a #4 center, I think if given the chance, Dumnt can do a good job with it too.

How does Gorges being #3 make our defense suck? Scuderi played #2 minutes for LA, a team that won the cup last year and got to the sme finals this year. Your problem is you live in a dream world where every #4 d-man in the NHL is a Kronwall or Girardi. There was a list posted a few weeks back of guys playing top 4 minutes...Boston had Ference, Chicago had Oduya, LA had Scuderi and Regehr, Pittsburgh had Niskanen yet Gorges is not good enough to be a #3-4 in the NHL?


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People, give him a chance.

When Bourque arrived, he was bad. Most of you guys wanted to buy him out before the season even started. Now, who would buy him out? Not saying Drew will be good or anything, just that we need to give him a fair chance.

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Good move IMHO. Looks like a solid 7th guy to have around with a great attitude.

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Thornton didn't get a single shift in OT so obviously his coach didn't think he had much to add. Guys like Armstrong and Moen can be trusted in defensive zone faceoffs, that's part of the reason NHL teams have guys like that. On here all you hear about is scorers and bangers/fighters.

Halpern was fine as a #4 center, I think if given the chance, Dumnt can do a good job with it too.

How does Gorges being #3 make our defense suck? Scuderi played #2 minutes for LA, a team that won the cup last year and got to the sme finals this year. Your problem is you live in a dream world where every #4 d-man in the NHL is a Kronwall or Girardi. There was a list posted a few weeks back of guys playing top 4 minutes...Boston had Ference, Chicago had Oduya, LA had Scuderi and Regehr, Pittsburgh had Niskanen yet Gorges is not good enough to be a #3-4 in the NHL?

First of all, when you need to rely on a 38 years old guy got sent to the waivers and who got ignored by 27 teams before we claimed him as your 4th line center, it's fair to say that we, in fact, didn't have anybody of mention who, according to our management, step in those shoes. Dumont, the more he played, the least of an agitator he actually looked. Plus, he's just way, way too small to be a 4th line center.

Armstrong and Moen don't make your team tougher to play against, at least they clearly didn't last season.

As for the D question; You're talking about Kronwall and Girardi, who in fact, are good #2 guys in this league.

You're talking about Ference, who shares his duties with Boychuk and McQuaid in the 3/4/5 slot, and who's much, much more physical than Gorges. He's also better offensively for that matter. And he certainly didn't look as bad defensively as Gorges did this season.

You named guys like Niskanen and Oduya who are twice the skaters Gorges is, Scuderi who has won 2 Stanley Cup while being the main shutdown d-man of his team, and Regehr who's still very physical despite getting older.

Your top-4 d-men, in general, contribute to one facet of the game. No matter what it is.

Gorges is contributing to none. His shot-blocking has not been helping Price this year. That's all he has to his game.

Subban is a top-4 d-man. Markov is a top-4 d-man. Emelin has potential to become one. Gorges? If you have him as a top-4 d-man, you better hope he's at the top of his game. Because when he's not, it's really painful.

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Thornton didn't get a single shift in OT so obviously his coach didn't think he had much to add. Guys like Armstrong and Moen can be trusted in defensive zone faceoffs, that's part of the reason NHL teams have guys like that. On here all you hear about is scorers and bangers/fighters.

Halpern was fine as a #4 center, I think if given the chance, Dumnt can do a good job with it too.

How does Gorges being #3 make our defense suck? Scuderi played #2 minutes for LA, a team that won the cup last year and got to the sme finals this year. Your problem is you live in a dream world where every #4 d-man in the NHL is a Kronwall or Girardi. There was a list posted a few weeks back of guys playing top 4 minutes...Boston had Ference, Chicago had Oduya, LA had Scuderi and Regehr, Pittsburgh had Niskanen yet Gorges is not good enough to be a #3-4 in the NHL?

Which game did Thornton not play in OT? If you say last night then you obviously wasn't watching. He didn't play in the 3RD OT, but played in the others and actually had a good scoring chance.

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We have 2-4 guys who are looking for bottom 6 roles as soon as next season. We'll be fine in the bottom-6 by the time we're a legitimate stanley cup contender.

What Habs fans need to have is patience. I, like you all, love to watch Montreal win, but as it stands we're not going to win a cup with this present team. With top-6 prospects like Galchenyuk (prospect?), Collberg, Hudon, and Kristo, along with bottom-6 guys like Leblanc, Bozon, Bournival, and Dumont, the future looks bright. We all just have to hang in here for another 2-3 years.
Hudon, Kristo, Leblanc, Bournival, Dumont... Add Holland if you want... All those guys have questionable offensive upside for the NHL, and all will amount to becoming a whole bunch of nothing if they can't translate their offensive game to the next level. Even our prospects pool is as uni-dimensional as they come.

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So people have been reading into this signing as it being more than an AHL/ injury call up contract? He's getting a one way to be a good soldier, it's pretty simple.
Even if Bergy broke a pencil we would have a 5 page thread.

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I'm good with this signing. Lets get Halpern and Armstrong signed to two year cheap contracts.

We made the playoffs with these players last season. And that's all that matters. Losing easily to Ottawa in the first round doesn't matter.

Keep you eyes on the prize. Playoffs. Not the second round. Playoffs.

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I'm good with this signing. Lets get Halpern and Armstrong signed to two year cheap contracts.

We made the playoffs with these players last season. And that's all that matters. Losing easily to Ottawa in the first round doesn't matter.

Keep you eyes on the prize. Playoffs. Not the second round. Playoffs.
Yes. Exactly why they need to pick up a knuckledragger to help them win those difficult divisional games in the regular season. Who cares if those guys are liabilities that don't play in the post season.

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Get the feeling we're going to move one of our D. Just a feeling.
I don't mind this signing really. Will be a good 7th defenseman and is taking next to nothing on our cap. Hopefully this spells the end of Weber + One of our 6 regulars though. It's no secret that we need to upgrade on D.

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Yes. Exactly why they need to pick up a knuckledragger to help them win those difficult divisional games in the regular season. Who cares if those guys are liabilities that don't play in the post season.
Agreed. We need more face punchers, especially in the playoffs when they are historically called upon with great frequency.

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I don't mind this signing really. Will be a good 7th defenseman and is taking next to nothing on our cap. Hopefully this spells the end of Weber + One of our 6 regulars though. It's no secret that we need to upgrade on D.
I wouldn't call him a good 7th d man. He's just a 7th Dman. A good 7th is somebody you could see as a regular 6 and not have any problem with it.

The defining virtue of Drewiskie right now is he's as cheap as possible and won't embarrass himself playing in the NHL.

The issue with this signing isn't the signing. Its more that it looks like they are comfortable standing pat with Boullion as the #6 instead of moving him out of the regular lineup. Because, while they have a decent amount of talent in the d corp, it would really help to get some bodies that will help Price out and get the goaltending back into the top 10 rather than league average on evens (some retooling on the PK would be a good idea too).

Say what you want about Hamrlik, Spacek and Gill, they were pretty good at playing in the defensive zone to give their tender a good chance of making saves. That's gone now. Boullion's the one guy who wasn't called on to do anything important, so he should have been expendable to help there.

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I love how thia board by in large feels why we aren't a good team is because of our 3rd and 4th lines and bottom pairing D. And spend copious amounts of time discussing it.

Watching the Finals game last night you see two teams who've won cups recently. The top two lines and the top pairing D are roughly the same. The rest of the roster is filled with young players, rentals and good enough players to fit under the cap. That's how you win. Making your top lines and D better than the other teams. Bottom guys are relatively inconsequential.
Nailed it.

Boston has depth but they also have several high-end players. Chicago has depth but they also have several high-end players. Pittsburgh has depth but they also have several high-end players. LA has depth but they also have several high-end players.

It's not the guys who play 8-12mins a night that win games. Ridiculous.

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Nailed it.

Boston has depth but they also have several high-end players. Chicago has depth but they also have several high-end players. Pittsburgh has depth but they also have several high-end players. LA has depth but they also have several high-end players.

It's not the guys who play 8-12mins a night that win games. Ridiculous.
Its also not like the Habs depth sucked. They were quite competent in their role as defensive specialists. Which might not be ideal if your ideals for 4th liners involve violence and mayham, but to act like they weren't doing anything of value comparatively is ignoring the facts on the ground in favour of ideology.

As you get deep into the playoffs, teams ditch the grinders in favour of depth that are ok at playing hockey. They like the big guys that can get garbage goals plenty, but those guys like Bickell are legit hockey players.

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That's surprising but not significant.

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Its also not like the Habs depth sucked. They were quite competent in their role as defensive specialists. Which might not be ideal if your ideals for 4th liners involve violence and mayham, but to act like they weren't doing anything of value comparatively is ignoring the facts on the ground in favour of ideology.

As you get deep into the playoffs, teams ditch the grinders in favour of depth that are ok at playing hockey. They like the big guys that can get garbage goals plenty, but those guys like Bickell are legit hockey players.
A third line of Galchenyuk-Eller-Prust is an excellent third line. Not sure there are many better in the NHL. That's depth. Armstrong and Moen are both potential 3rd line players. That's depth. They aren't bruisers by any means but they are those guys you want in the playoffs ala Bickell. Both Armstrong and Moen have had their worth observed in the playoffs.... not necessarily with us though.

I'll move this to the off-season thread.

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I'm good with this signing. Lets get Halpern and Armstrong signed to two year cheap contracts.

We made the playoffs with these players last season. And that's all that matters. Losing easily to Ottawa in the first round doesn't matter.

Keep you eyes on the prize. Playoffs. Not the second round. Playoffs.
Agreed. Bergevin is going to focus on hard working reliable players he is familiar with until such time as prospects force his hand, all the while shying away from the mercenaries on the free agent market.

Frustrating for those wanting quick changes but I think we'll see fruit in 3 years.

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I'm good with this signing. Lets get Halpern and Armstrong signed to two year cheap contracts.

We made the playoffs with these players last season. And that's all that matters. Losing easily to Ottawa in the first round doesn't matter.

Keep you eyes on the prize. Playoffs. Not the second round. Playoffs.
Exactly.

Never aim for 1st place.

16 teams make the playoffs. Only 1 wins the cup.

MEDIOCRITY RULES!

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Nailed it.

Boston has depth but they also have several high-end players. Chicago has depth but they also have several high-end players. Pittsburgh has depth but they also have several high-end players. LA has depth but they also have several high-end players.

It's not the guys who play 8-12mins a night that win games. Ridiculous.
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That's serious quality in the bottom half of the lineups.

Just because it's better to have top end players doesn't mean you shouldn't bother improving the depth side. One is a lot easier to do than the other and it certainly doesn't clash with either happening.

What these teams thrive in doing is having a consistent supply of cheap quality talent to fill in when the bottom 6 outgrow their role. Right now Bergevin seems to be setting up the foundations in order to have that constant influx.

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I'm good with this signing. Lets get Halpern and Armstrong signed to two year cheap contracts.

We made the playoffs with these players last season. And that's all that matters. Losing easily to Ottawa in the first round doesn't matter.

Keep you eyes on the prize. Playoffs. Not the second round. Playoffs.
Guess which is the only D on the Habs with a cup ring. Habs too good for that player to play the same role on this team?

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