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06-13-2013, 01:42 PM
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At 21 Gagner was consider a bust while playing in the NHL and putting up 40 Plus points . Funny a 21 year old that can not make the NHL is worth so much yet Gagner has no value . Change the name from HF to dream world .
Since when is shutting down some of the best centers in the game "not making the NHL"?

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06-13-2013, 01:52 PM
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Tough to gauge johans value after his spring ahl meltdown...not sure the oilers want to add an entitled young guy who thinks he's already arrived as a #1 center to that locker room - could see major issues between him and nugent hopkins. Justin schultz + ryan johanson = two biggest young divas we've seen in some time...yeah Howson drafted him but its still mctavish's show.

They have enough skill, but I could see them trading for some heart and soul lunch pail guys like derek mackenzie, cody bass, etc

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06-13-2013, 02:35 PM
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from the Canucks, Edler and 26th overall for Johanson, Savard and the 14th overall

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from the Canucks, Edler and 26th overall for Johanson, Savard and the 14th overall
Those pieces would move for scoring help, not more defense.

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06-13-2013, 03:22 PM
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Johansen played with Niederrieter Baertschi Rattie Morrow and Pouliot in his final junior season . Guy's numbers were inflated because of stacked team . So overated
Yeah because Niederrieters been such a beast ever since he started playing in the NHL.....

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06-13-2013, 04:08 PM
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i said Burmi and their 1st with maybe something else going with Joey back...but Burmi's value is so low right now not sure what WPG values him at...
I wouldn't trade Burmie straight up for Ryan Johansen. As dissapointing as he's been offensively he's still a much more proven and rounded player at this point in time.

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06-13-2013, 04:56 PM
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He might have better career than Niederreiter but considering they were line mates and Johansen was so over hyped so was Niederrieter

Draft years Johansen .97 ppg 2010 draft
Niederrreiter .92 2010
Baertschi 1.29 2011
Rattie 1.18 2011
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Johansen 1.46
Niederreiter 1.27
Baertschi 2.00
Rattie 1.75


Baertschi out produced Johansen in 2009/10 season even though he was not old enough to be drafted 1.29 -.97 Also when Johansen and Niederrieter were off team and Rattie and Baertschi elevated to first line they took off in scoring.

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06-13-2013, 05:00 PM
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Yeah because Niederrieters been such a beast ever since he started playing in the NHL.....
Like I said in other Post they were linemates and both have been disappointments so far . And were drafted a lot earlier than Baertschi and Rattie who were superior junior players.


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06-13-2013, 05:13 PM
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I wouldn't trade Burmie straight up for Ryan Johansen. As dissapointing as he's been offensively he's still a much more proven and rounded player at this point in time.
I wouldn't say he's a much more proven and well rounded player. Yes he supposedly shutdown Malkin better, but as a whole I believe Johansen is a better defensive player.

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06-13-2013, 05:26 PM
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I wouldn't trade Burmie straight up for Ryan Johansen. As dissapointing as he's been offensively he's still a much more proven and rounded player at this point in time.
I'm probably Burmistrov's biggest fan on the CBJ side, but I don't know that I would trade Johansen one-for-one for him. And any one of our guys can tell you that I really, really like Burmistrov.

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06-13-2013, 05:28 PM
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Oddly, I don't see Gagner 1for1 being quite enough, or rather the right type of deal for CBJ. The size bias would be at play here, even though Gags could easily be the better center in the long run between the two (and he is right now, without a doubt).

That said... patience and hope would prevent CBJ from making that deal 1for1. But I could see something like:

To EDM: RJ + 14th + Boll
To CBJ: Gagner + 7th + 5th?


Look....As a jackets fan here I see not problem with trading RJ (Umberger), +14th overall, + Boll for Gagner, 7th overall, +5th rounder.

Pretty solid proposal bucks_oil. I'd sign off on this as a CBJ fan

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06-13-2013, 05:42 PM
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That sounds about right to me... I personally wouldn't trade #7 for him straight up, but there is a short cliff at #8.

It's nothing against RJ, he may still end up better than Lindholm or Monahan, but I think a reasonable bet would have him topping out at a #2C, whereas Lindholm and Monahan are still shiney and have #1C potential.

Unfair as that may be, I think a reasonable, patient GM would prefer the greater upside #7 provides.

MacT on the otherhand needs to improve by Sept, and RJ probably does more in that direction than #7.
Johansen for the #7 if Lindholm is available makes the most sense. Yes, Oilers are giving up the chance that Lindholm might one day develop into a top-line C, but that's okay when you're team is stacked with scorers and needs two-way improvement immediately.

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Edmonton's not going anywhere in the standings until they improve on D and in goal. A lot of their fans don't seem to get that, however. Keep trying for that forward who's going to put you guys over the top, guys - lol.
Oilers have major problems at forward. Skilled players don't have the puck enough. Can't win puck battles, faceoffs, etc.. Can't shut down anything. Horcoff on the outs. They could actually seriously use Johansen.

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Look....As a jackets fan here I see not problem with trading RJ (Umberger), +14th overall, + Boll for Gagner, 7th overall, +5th rounder.

Pretty solid proposal bucks_oil. I'd sign off on this as a CBJ fan
They don't know RJ means Umberger, silly.

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06-13-2013, 05:48 PM
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If you moved to nova scotia you can get 2 for free and have the parts to offer up an offset to these crazy deal offers

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06-14-2013, 06:41 AM
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He might have better career than Niederreiter but considering they were line mates and Johansen was so over hyped so was Niederrieter

Draft years Johansen .97 ppg 2010 draft
Niederrreiter .92 2010
Baertschi 1.29 2011
Rattie 1.18 2011
year after drafted

Johansen 1.46
Niederreiter 1.27
Baertschi 2.00
Rattie 1.75


Baertschi out produced Johansen in 2009/10 season even though he was not old enough to be drafted 1.29 -.97 Also when Johansen and Niederrieter were off team and Rattie and Baertschi elevated to first line they took off in scoring.
So without comparing age at their draft, or assessing any other aspect of their game other than scoring, or the fact that for most of this time period these players were not playing in the same league, you're comfortable with your work here? Cool.

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06-14-2013, 06:52 AM
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So without comparing age at their draft, or assessing any other aspect of their game other than scoring, or the fact that for most of this time period these players were not playing in the same league, you're comfortable with your work here? Cool.
they played on same team at same time I also listed stats when there were at same age.

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I can't understand how we've made it to post #75 without a Hemsky mention.

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06-14-2013, 10:20 AM
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Edmonton's not going anywhere in the standings until they improve on D and in goal. A lot of their fans don't seem to get that, however. Keep trying for that forward who's going to put you guys over the top, guys - lol.
From what I've seen, Oiler fans understand perfectly well that they need to improve the blue line.

As for in goal, I'm not sure I'd agree with that. A bigger need, in my opinion, is some better forward depth beyond their young offensive talent. A bit more grit would probably go a long way, too.

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06-14-2013, 10:35 AM
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I figure, as well as some intelligent folk over on the Jackets board, that Johansen alone would return between 8th and 10th overall.
Very surprised by this statement. RyJo won't be going anywhere. I think Jarmo has his priorities straight. RMFJ will be an all star, he's only 21. With a 1-2 punch of he and Jenner in 5 years when they're 26 and 23 respectively, people will be laughing at these proposals. I wish there were a way to get either of them on the leafs, but I don't see that happening.

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Johansen is 20 (7/31/92)
Jenner is 19 (6/15/93)

So, I am not sure how he will be 23 when Johansen is 26.

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06-14-2013, 04:53 PM
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Johansen is 20 (7/31/92)
Jenner is 19 (6/15/93)

So, I am not sure how he will be 23 when Johansen is 26.
Someone's car goes really really fast.



Anyway, I can see Johan being traded in a package for someone like B. Ryan, or more scoring. Nothing proposed so far really intrigues me as a fan.

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