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06-13-2013, 04:10 PM
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I'm not too keen on Hank having a cap hit north of $8m, but on a positive note; surely it would stop all those 'poor hank', 'hank should demand a trade' posts after a Rangers loss

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06-13-2013, 04:17 PM
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How are they not further back? Rangers went to the ECF last year, then the second round this year. Islanders didn't even make the playoffs for 5 years, then got in this year and lost in the first round. Yeah, they gave Pitt a few good games, but they were good compared to what was expected of them, which was practically nothing. The Rangers disappointed by losing in the second round. The teams have totally different expectations on them at this point. The Isles very well may be a force in the future, but they're not one now and they still have a ton of work to do.

Cap space doesn't really impress me or dictate which team is closer to contending.
This is toally about the future...the last five years are irrelevant to how the Islanders will be a year from now if/when Hank becomes a UFA, and then going forward from there. And us going to the ECF last year is irrelevant as well...we don't even have the coach who brought us there anymore.

We finished one point ahead of the Islanders this year. One point. Take Hank off the Rangers and put him on the Islanders for this season...do we still finish ahead of them? Exactly.

They have one of the best players in the league locked in at a $5.5 million cap hit through 2018. You may not think cap space matters, but it does mean the Islanders can sign players that the Rangers can't. It matters.

We're going to have enough trouble signing our own RFA's...the Rangers still have a ton of work to do as well, with or without Hank.


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Being that 7M is the most any goaltender is getting paid (Carey Price in 2015 and Pekke Rinne through 2017), I can't imagine Hank getting paid more than $7.5M or rather a $7.5M cap. I'm seeing 7M cap and maybe a more front loaded payout scheme like

$10, $10, $8, $6, $6, $6, $6, $4

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Being that 7M is the most any goaltender is getting paid (Carey Price in 2015 and Pekke Rinne through 2017), I can't imagine Hank getting paid more than $7.5M or rather a $7.5M cap. I'm seeing 7M cap and maybe a more front loaded payout scheme like

$10, $10, $8, $6, $6, $6, $6, $4
If he wants an 8 year deal he needs to be taking a smaller cap hit. 8 years at 6M or 5 years at 8M.

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06-13-2013, 04:36 PM
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Being that 7M is the most any goaltender is getting paid (Carey Price in 2015 and Pekke Rinne through 2017), I can't imagine Hank getting paid more than $7.5M or rather a $7.5M cap. I'm seeing 7M cap and maybe a more front loaded payout scheme like

$10, $10, $8, $6, $6, $6, $6, $4
Cheapest year can be no less than 50% of most expensive year. Change the 4 to a 5 and it's CBA compliant.

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Being that 7M is the most any goaltender is getting paid (Carey Price in 2015 and Pekke Rinne through 2017), I can't imagine Hank getting paid more than $7.5M or rather a $7.5M cap. I'm seeing 7M cap and maybe a more front loaded payout scheme like
Price's cap hit is $6.5 million per, which is what matters regarding the contract, but your point is still valid. It would be insane to move Hank to an $8M plus cap hit.

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Whatever he wants, give him. Done. #30 to the rafters in 10 or more years.

We never should've seen Leetch in another jersey either. Dammit.

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I'm not too keen on Hank having a cap hit north of $8m, but on a positive note; surely it would stop all those 'poor hank', 'hank should demand a trade' posts after a Rangers loss


Not unless that's exactly how much it requires to keep him, anyway ^LMAdaFO!!!!

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Whatever he wants, give him.
Uh, no.

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I seriously hope we let Lundqvist walk or trade him. Sick of the selected few complaining, not like they won't blame him for every loss we'll have if we resign him saying we'd be better off with whatever else they have in their mind but still avoid to answere.

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If he wants an 8 year deal he needs to be taking a smaller cap hit. 8 years at 6M or 5 years at 8M.
The bold sounds like a fair deal.

A slight paycut, but nothing extreme. Locks him up for practically the remainder of his career and all of his prime.

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I seriously hope we let Lundqvist walk or trade him. Sick of the selected few complaining, not like they won't blame him for every loss we'll have if we resign him saying we'd be better off with whatever else they have in their mind but still avoid to answere.
I hope we lock him up mid to long term for a good cap hit, but too each their own...

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I hope we lock him up mid to long term for a good cap hit, but too each their own...
5 years 5mil? Too big cap hit?

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5 years 5mil? Too big cap hit?
Your keyboard to Slats ears.

4 years at no more than 8, or longer at close to what it is now would be great

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This is toally about the future...the last five years are irrelevant to how the Islanders will be a year from now if/when Hank becomes a UFA, and then going forward from there. And us going to the ECF last year is irrelevant as well...we don't even have the coach who brought us there anymore.

We finished one point ahead of the Islanders this year. One point. Take Hank off the Rangers and put him on the Islanders for this season...do we still finish ahead of them? Exactly.

They have one of the best players in the league locked in at a $5.5 million cap hit through 2018. You may not think cap space matters, but it does mean the Islanders can sign players that the Rangers can't. It matters.

We're going to have enough trouble signing our own RFA's...the Rangers still have a ton of work to do as well, with or without Hank.
Since we can't see the future, we need to look at the past and present and make judgments about what is mostly likely to happen going forward.

All of this "if" scenarios are useless. There are a million factors in every season for every team, it's never, ever as simple as hypothetically moving one player to another team and thinking about how good they'd be then. Teams suffer injuries, players slump, other players play way above their heads, etc. The fact is, Hank is on the Rangers now and was last year and, and that year is over for both teams.

The Isles have a great, great 1C to build around. That's a huge advantage, but it doesn't mean that they don't have a ton to prove still. Cap-space helps with UFAs or trading picks and prospects for big money players. The Isles can go UFA all day, we've seen first hand how UFAs get paid for what they've done, not what they're going to do. I'd rather have the Rangers d corp and established forwards like Callahan, Stepan, Nash, etc than cap-space. Maybe the Isles will trade prosecpts and picks for a big money guy and put that cap space to work, but they'll still have holes.

The Isles are on the upswing, no question, but team building rarely goes the way you expect when you expect. If Hank leaves NYR, it'll be for a team that is done building and is real close to a cup. If he leaves NYR for the Islanders, he'll have the same odds to win a cup as he would here, if not worse IMO. You can disagree. The Rangers are farther along in building than the Isles also IMO. You can disagree with that too.

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The bold sounds like a fair deal.

A slight paycut, but nothing extreme. Locks him up for practically the remainder of his career and all of his prime.
Well, it's not a paycut. It's a cap hit cut. His pay would certainly increase by quite a bit for the first couple of years.

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I seriously hope we let Lundqvist walk or trade him. Sick of the selected few complaining, not like they won't blame him for every loss we'll have if we resign him saying we'd be better off with whatever else they have in their mind but still avoid to answere.

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The Isles are on the upswing, no question, but team building rarely goes the way you expect when you expect. If Hank leaves NYR, it'll be for a team that is done building and is real close to a cup. If he leaves NYR for the Islanders, he'll have the same odds to win a cup as he would here, if not worse IMO. You can disagree. The Rangers are farther along in building than the Isles also IMO. You can disagree with that too.
I do disagree with your posts comparing the Rangers to the Islanders, but we'll leave it at agreeing to disagree.

As for why Hank would leave, there is the chance Hank leaves for nothing more than the highest bidder....like so many athletes before him. In that case, the answer can still be the Islanders, because they have cap space available that the Rangers do not.

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I would have many, many infractions if I participated in this thread earlier. Some of you guys just make me .

Brooklyn? Let him walk? Paycut?



There are those who "get it", and those that "dont". So easy to identify which opinions on this board matter, and which don't.

I'm not worried about Lundqvist. Even slightly.

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I would have many, many infractions if I participated in this thread earlier. Some of you guys just make me .

Brooklyn? Let him walk? Paycut?



There are those who "get it", and those that "dont". So easy to identify which opinions on this board matter, and which don't.

I'm not worried about Lundqvist. Even slightly.
Who here has been advocating for a pay cut?

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Who here has been advocating for a pay cut?
I don't want to say names. They're in this thread.

Not you though. Difference between a pay cut and a salary cap cut.

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I don't want to say names. They're in this thread.

Not you though. Difference between a pay cut and a salary cap cut.
No, I knew you weren't referring to me. I honestly haven't seen anyone advocating an actual paycut. That would be insanity.

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Oh so you're saying if we give Lundqvist an 8mil cap and we start getting kicked in 1st and 2nd round, you and jersey girl is not going to complain saying we shouldn't have paid him that?

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"Veteran agent Don Meehan expects to meet with Rangers GM Glen Sather in New York/New Jersey the week of the draft to talk extension on star goalie Henrik Lundqvist. Thatís going to be an expensive re-sign. "

Just read this on lebruns rumblings on espn. Hopefully a new contract soon

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I would have many, many infractions if I participated in this thread earlier. Some of you guys just make me .

Brooklyn? Let him walk? Paycut?



There are those who "get it", and those that "dont". So easy to identify which opinions on this board matter, and which don't.

I'm not worried about Lundqvist. Even slightly.
Not this Brooklyn. I suspect that the contract will be higher than many here want, but I have no doubt it will get worked out. Don't want any distractions about this during the season and Lundqvist is too important (both to the fans and the team) to lose to free agency, much less a trade.

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