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06-13-2013, 03:50 PM
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I would only wish that fate upon Washington and New Jersey fans.

Definitely not St. Louis fans.

Something like Del Zotto for Burmistrov+, and then flipping Burmi for a winger, makes some sense. Sather's gotta be creative this offseason on the trade market.
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Not enough of them.

Not his fault. Not blaming him.

But the point I get friom what you are saying (and one I share) is that a good goalie getting hot is just as likely to win as is a great goalie playing great.

Looking at the last 10 cup winners, there are alot of good goalies winning the cup.

The last truly great goalies to win the cup were back in 01-02 (Hasek) and 02-03 (Broduer)

We have had a plethora of good goalies win the cup.
You're making me more of a Hank fan(didn't even think it were possible) with every post.

Imagine any of these teams that won the Cup with Hank in net, then going forward they might have won more than once.

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Stewart is the player I'd want from the Blues. I am not sure of what the cost is and whether there is even a trade to be made.

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Stewart is the player I'd want from the Blues. I am not sure of what the cost is and whether there is even a trade to be made.
He's a good player but for some reason, from watching him in COL and STL, I remember a whiff of "meh, meh, oooo, meh, meh, oooo"

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The Rangers need to explore the market for DZ.
I am not sarcastic, but it's like that or the opposite.

Over-the-hill Ds like Streit and Gonchar are getting multiyear +35 contracts at 5+m a year. And I mean, Philly already have Timmonen. Dallas already have Goligoski.

We don't have anyone. If we trade DZ, we just gotta pick up a real right PMD...

Is it, or should it be, an option to move Staal?

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You're making me more of a Hank fan(didn't even think it were possible) with every post.

Imagine any of these teams that won the Cup with Hank in net, then going forward they might have won more than once.
Alternatively, those teams wouldn't have been able to afford all their depth with Hank (or any other $6m+ goalie) and not won a thing...

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Quick is paid like a great goalie. So is Howard now. Rask will be paid like that.
Howard makes approx. $5.3M per season. Quick makes $5.8M. People are talking about $9M per for Lundqvist. Big difference.

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No, but we could acquire one. Del Zotto to Winnipeg for Burmistrov+, then Burmistrov package to St Louis for Perron. Just an outside the box suggestion, not saying I'd do it. I think we ought to get a good package for Del Zotto outright.
Then we would be moving del zotto + burmistrov for perron.. not sure that makes sense though I like the creative thinking

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Then we would be moving del zotto + burmistrov for perron.. not sure that makes sense though I like the creative thinking
No, it'd be moving Del Zotto for Perron, essentially.

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Howard makes approx. $5.3M per season. Quick makes $5.8M. People are talking about $9M per for Lundqvist. Big difference.
At the end of the day, it will be more like $7.5M - $8M yearly.

So, giving Sather an extra couple million in cap space going to make a major difference here? Its inconsequential as far as Im concerned. If we had a GM thats better at constructing a roster, perhaps I'd feel differently.

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Alternatively, those teams wouldn't have been able to afford all their depth with Hank (or any other $6m+ goalie) and not won a thing...
Those teams had enough depth to survive losing some of the excess, in fact, that's exactly what they've done to return to the finals !

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At the end of the day, it will be more like $7.5M - $8M yearly.

So, giving Sather an extra couple million in cap space going to make a major difference here? Its inconsequential as far as Im concerned. If we had a GM thats better at constructing a roster, perhaps I'd feel differently.
7.7 million averaged out over however many years.

And that won't be breaking the bank. In fact, it's a bargain compared to how much he plays and what you'll get out of him compared to other teams 'star' attractions.

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Does anyone else think there's a chance of signing or trading for another C? Stepan is good as a no. 1, but Brassard is pretty much unproven (although his ranger career has been great thus far), and Miller/Lindberg is completely unproven.

Even as much as he sucked, Richards was on pace for about 60pts which has to be replaced (Brassard's career high is 55)

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Does anyone else think there's a chance of signing or trading for another C? Stepan is good as a no. 1, but Brassard is pretty much unproven (although his ranger career has been great thus far), and Miller/Lindberg is completely unproven.

Even as much as he sucked, Richards was on pace for about 60pts which has to be replaced (Brassard's career high is 55)
This is why a lot of folks want to trade Del Zotto. He could return a young future #1 center. There are plenty of teams that are in the market for a player like Del Zotto.

The Islanders are in the same division. The Flyers just traded for their top defenseman. Although he's old. The Flyers wouldn't be interested in Del Zotto? Schenn or Couturier. Winnipeg would have interest. Burmistrov.

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for those that wanted Orr back.. signed a new 2 year deal.. http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=425390

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for those that wanted Orr back.. signed a new 2 year deal.. http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=425390
Does such a person exist?

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This is why a lot of folks want to trade Del Zotto. He could return a young future #1 center. There are plenty of teams that are in the market for a player like Del Zotto.

The Islanders are in the same division. The Flyers just traded for their top defenseman. Although he's old. The Flyers wouldn't be interested in Del Zotto? Schenn or Couturier. Winnipeg would have interest. Burmistrov.
Yeah, but those guys are still more or less 'unproven'. IMO if this team wants to compete they need a veteren/established C

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Yeah, but those guys are still more or less 'unproven'. IMO if this team wants to compete they need a veteren/established C
Disagree. Think they can easily get away with Stepan/Brassard and a very solid 3rd line center. We haven't had much success at bringing in centers to fill the top spot, although two of them weren't real 1c's the third was and hasn't had much luck. Stepan however has really started to blossom and I think now is the time to turn the reins over to him a little more.

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Yeah, but those guys are still more or less 'unproven'. IMO if this team wants to compete they need a veteren/established C
And you'll have to trade more than DZ to get one of those established centers...and I'm not opposed to that. Although moving DZ means the need for a PMD is even greater.

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Does anyone else think there's a chance of signing or trading for another C? Stepan is good as a no. 1, but Brassard is pretty much unproven (although his ranger career has been great thus far), and Miller/Lindberg is completely unproven.

Even as much as he sucked, Richards was on pace for about 60pts which has to be replaced (Brassard's career high is 55)
Honestly I don't think he's bought out unless we upgrade somewhere else. He can be an adequate 3c albeit overpaid

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I wonder what Detroit would pay for MDZ. Tatar + ?

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If we trade for Burmistrov we better hope he turns into what he's projected to though. Otherwise we waste dz on a at best 3c

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I wonder what Detroit would pay for MDZ. Tatar + ?
Better give up a lot with that +.

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In each and every GDT you can read read what a horrible team the Rangers would be without Lundqvist, and while he is close to get paid like who he is, the best goaltender in the game. Some of you wants him gone with the argument that we can win with a solid golie? Who is that guy? We don't have any like that in this organization. You suggest to trade for a overpaid Luongo or a unproven Bernier?

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No, it'd be moving Del Zotto for Perron, essentially.
Exactly. Sometimes a team doesn't have what you want, but they have what another team wants. Make one trade to make another.

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What would NYR want from Edm for Boyle, be realistic please in my opinion he is a 3rd/4th line center.

Would something around ANA 2nd plus a prospect be enough?

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