HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Eastern Conference > Metropolitan Division > Philadelphia Flyers
Notices

The Rumors and Speculation Thread #6

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools
Old
06-13-2013, 01:15 PM
  #126
haseoke39
Brainfart 4 Reinhart
 
haseoke39's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 4,838
vCash: 500
Ryan Miller (we can retain salary on him) and Andrej Sekera for Sean Couturier. Thoughts?

haseoke39 is online now  
Old
06-13-2013, 01:16 PM
  #127
CS
Bryzgalov's Blueline
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Lumberton, NJ
Country: United States
Posts: 13,871
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by RJ8812 View Post
a down year? Coburn has gotten progressively worse ever since his eye injury
That's nonsense. He's been up and down.

CS is offline  
Old
06-13-2013, 01:18 PM
  #128
BernieParent
HFB Partner
 
BernieParent's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Montreal, QC
Country: Canada
Posts: 7,432
vCash: 500
I can't see the Flyers being in on Yandle or looking to OS Shattenkirk, as these moves would make the Streit acquisition redundant. The only reason for getting and signing Streit is for short-term PMD help, while the soon-to-be plethora of excellent defensive prospects develops and with the impending retirement of Timonen.

Of course, were Holmgren a mastermind, he could be including rights to Streit as part of the deal for Yandle.

BernieParent is offline  
Old
06-13-2013, 01:18 PM
  #129
CS
Bryzgalov's Blueline
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Lumberton, NJ
Country: United States
Posts: 13,871
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by haseoke39 View Post
Ryan Miller (we can retain salary on him) and Andrej Sekera for Sean Couturier. Thoughts?
Not even close.

CS is offline  
Old
06-13-2013, 01:18 PM
  #130
Alchemy
Philadelphia Flyers
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Country: United States
Posts: 12,347
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by RJ8812 View Post
a down year? Coburn has gotten progressively worse ever since his eye injury
I just think our expectation of him being a good two way defenseman is why we think he keeps getting worse. It has our view of him slanted. His offensive skills from the back end never materialized but i still think he is a very good number 3-4 defensive dman.

Alchemy is offline  
Old
06-13-2013, 01:21 PM
  #131
BobbyClarkeFan16
Registered User
 
BobbyClarkeFan16's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: London Ontario
Country: Canada
Posts: 7,757
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris Shafer View Post
That's nonsense. He's been up and down.
Please. Coburn has been horrible. He'll give you 30 good games, 30 mediocre games, and 20 horrible games. That's what his up and down is. And for $4.5 million bucks a year, one should certainly expect better than that from him.

BobbyClarkeFan16 is offline  
Old
06-13-2013, 01:27 PM
  #132
RJ8812
Gunner Stahl #9
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Sudbury
Country: Canada
Posts: 22,922
vCash: 500
Coburn is dumb...plan and simple

He may log a lot of icetime, but he also makes a lot of dumb mistakes. He has the lowest hockey IQ of any player on the team.

I'm not saying we should give him away, but if we cna find someone to replace him, we should go for it.

He'll never live up to what he's getting paid

RJ8812 is online now  
Old
06-13-2013, 01:35 PM
  #133
Psuhockey
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 1,704
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by RJ8812 View Post
Coburn is dumb...plan and simple

He may log a lot of icetime, but he also makes a lot of dumb mistakes. He has the lowest hockey IQ of any player on the team.

I'm not saying we should give him away, but if we cna find someone to replace him, we should go for it.

He'll never live up to what he's getting paid
If you could move him for a younger, cheaper, perhaps right handed defensemen that isn't strictly a puck mover, I would do it. Guys like Tim Erixon or even someone like Jeff Petry if there was a small plus involved. Neither is as good as Coburn is now defensively, but they are cheaper and still developing. Coburn is what he is at this point: 2nd pair defensive defenseman that lacks consitancy.

Psuhockey is offline  
Old
06-13-2013, 01:37 PM
  #134
RJ8812
Gunner Stahl #9
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Sudbury
Country: Canada
Posts: 22,922
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Psuhockey View Post
If you could move him for a younger, cheaper, perhaps right handed defensemen that isn't strictly a puck mover, I would do it. Guys like Tim Erixon or even someone like Jeff Petry if there was a small plus involved. Neither is as good as Coburn is now defensively, but they are cheaper and still developing. Coburn is what he is at this point: 2nd pair defensive defenseman that lacks a brain.
/fixed

I would prefer to move him for a defensive defenceman

We already have our puck-movers: Timonen, Streit (potentially), and Gus

Grossmann and Schenn are our defenseive specialists, so a 3rd one would be needed

RJ8812 is online now  
Old
06-13-2013, 01:44 PM
  #135
StevensCakeBakerBacker
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Country:
Posts: 1,228
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by haseoke39 View Post
Ryan Miller (we can retain salary on him) and Andrej Sekera for Sean Couturier. Thoughts?
No thanks

StevensCakeBakerBacker is offline  
Old
06-13-2013, 01:44 PM
  #136
Psuhockey
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 1,704
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by RJ8812 View Post
/fixed

I would prefer to move him for a defensive defenceman

We already have our puck-movers: Timonen, Streit (potentially), and Gus

Grossmann and Schenn are our defenseive specialists, so a 3rd one would be needed
The Flyers would need an all around defenseman. Guys like Petry and Erixon can move the puck but are not strictly PMDs. Grossman and Coburn do not move the puck well and it is usually the cause of their problems. L. Schenn can also have his moments. Why not get a guy who can do a little of both on the 2nd pair?

Psuhockey is offline  
Old
06-13-2013, 04:06 PM
  #137
dingbathero
No Jam? How about PB
 
dingbathero's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: St. John's, NL
Country: Canada
Posts: 4,498
vCash: 500
If the Striet thing doesn't pan out why not Ian White.

dingbathero is offline  
Old
06-13-2013, 04:24 PM
  #138
96
Esq.
 
96's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 4,294
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Psuhockey View Post
So it would be better to sign Shattenkirk to a giant offersheet, losing at least a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd rd pick if not more, than get Rundblad on the cheap because Shattenkirk is a year or two ahead in his development? They are similar type players; right handed PMDs. This is the problem with the cuurent Flyers thinking: it is better to overpay for immediate results than to patiently develop for a season or two.
I don't think Rundblad will ever be as good as Shattenkirk. It's not simply a question of waiting for Rundblad to develop to Shattenkirk's current level. Rundblad is two years younger, but he hasn't shown in the 4 years since he was drafted (2009-2013) what Shattenkirk showed in the 3 years between his draft (2007) and joining the Avalanche (2010). I'm not saying I want to offer-sheet Shattenkirk (even though I played with him when we were younger), but just that I don't think Rundblad in 2 years will be even close to Shattenkirk, so it's not just a matter of waiting.

96 is offline  
Old
06-13-2013, 05:00 PM
  #139
Crashbangboom
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 16
vCash: 500
What do you guys think it would cost to get Nathan Beaulieu? He's a player I would really like to have on this team. If is not available, why not Jason Demers? I would take him över Coburn every day of the week.

Crashbangboom is offline  
Old
06-13-2013, 06:03 PM
  #140
Appleyard
Registered User
 
Appleyard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Manc/Shef/Utrecht
Country: Netherlands
Posts: 4,912
vCash: 365
Quote:
Originally Posted by BobbyClarkeFan16 View Post
Please. Coburn has been horrible. He'll give you 30 good games, 30 mediocre games, and 20 horrible games. That's what his up and down is. And for $4.5 million bucks a year, one should certainly expect better than that from him.
Looking at the players around the NHL on 4.5 mill, Coburn is right in that ballpark tbh, maybe a few 100k overpaid if being pedantic.

I agree on the inconsistency in general, but in 11-12 he was great for about 70 games... he had seemingly put it together (I was hoping) then regressed again.

The only D men on our team who had good years when stats are delved into were Kimmo, Gus and Schenn, Lauridsen as well to a lesser extent... everyone else was pretty horrendous.

Appleyard is offline  
Old
06-13-2013, 08:11 PM
  #141
BernieParent
HFB Partner
 
BernieParent's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Montreal, QC
Country: Canada
Posts: 7,432
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Crashbangboom View Post
What do you guys think it would cost to get Nathan Beaulieu?
Bail?

Seriously, I'd love to swing a deal for Beaulieu, too, though the deal would be complicated by the fact that his last name is Beaulieu and not Bailey.

BernieParent is offline  
Old
06-13-2013, 08:47 PM
  #142
LegionOfDoom91
Registered User
 
LegionOfDoom91's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Country: United States
Posts: 11,219
vCash: 500
Leafs fans should be required to take a common knowlegde test before they are allowed to post on the main boards.

Toronto:
-2013 1st rounder

to

Philadelphia:
-Brayden Schenn
-Ilya Bryzgalov

That's the latest great proposal.

LegionOfDoom91 is online now  
Old
06-13-2013, 10:28 PM
  #143
BernieParent
HFB Partner
 
BernieParent's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Montreal, QC
Country: Canada
Posts: 7,432
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by LegionOfDoom91 View Post
Leafs fans should be required to take a common knowlegde test before they are allowed to post on the main boards.

Toronto:
-2013 1st rounder

to

Philadelphia:
-Brayden Schenn
-Ilya Bryzgalov

That's the latest great proposal.
I want at least one Kadri intangible added in from Toronto.

BernieParent is offline  
Old
06-13-2013, 11:40 PM
  #144
BrindamoursNose
Registered User
 
BrindamoursNose's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 5,647
vCash: 500
Too many people are short-sighted with Braydon Coburn.

If Braydon goes, our defense looks significantly worse. I know, I know...what a crazy thought. But it is true. Coburn had a bad year. I'm confident he will bounce back wonderfully. When he plays physically, he's excellent. He may be the fastest 6'5 guy in the league, so that is always a thrill. Also, he was important on the PK.

Say what you will, but I'm certainly not interested in trading him. I have a feeling he'll make everyone aware as to why he's making the cash that he is and why he's the longest tenured Flyer currently.

BrindamoursNose is offline  
Old
06-13-2013, 11:48 PM
  #145
Jtown
Registered User
 
Jtown's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Fairfax, Virginia
Posts: 8,948
vCash: 539
Quote:
Originally Posted by BrindamoursNose View Post
Too many people are short-sighted with Braydon Coburn.

If Braydon goes, our defense looks significantly worse. I know, I know...what a crazy thought. But it is true. Coburn had a bad year. I'm confident he will bounce back wonderfully. When he plays physically, he's excellent. He may be the fastest 6'5 guy in the league, so that is always a thrill. Also, he was important on the PK.

Say what you will, but I'm certainly not interested in trading him. I have a feeling he'll make everyone aware as to why he's making the cash that he is and why he's the longest tenured Flyer currently.
For how much he sucks he lead us in minutes this year and he is by far our best defensive defenseman. Finding a 6 5 guy who can skate like that... good luck. Coburn gets such a bad wrap but he is literally the only defnseman on the team who can skate the puck out of the zone and into the ozone. No one on the team is physically capable of doing that.

Jtown is offline  
Old
06-14-2013, 12:52 AM
  #146
lancer247
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 2,880
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by BrindamoursNose View Post
Too many people are short-sighted with Braydon Coburn.

If Braydon goes, our defense looks significantly worse. I know, I know...what a crazy thought. But it is true. Coburn had a bad year. I'm confident he will bounce back wonderfully. When he plays physically, he's excellent. He may be the fastest 6'5 guy in the league, so that is always a thrill. Also, he was important on the PK.

Say what you will, but I'm certainly not interested in trading him. I have a feeling he'll make everyone aware as to why he's making the cash that he is and why he's the longest tenured Flyer currently.
+1

People here fall in love with these one dimensional dmen like Grossman and Gus but want to get rid of Coburn like he would be so easily replaced. Then they complain about his contract. Gonchar got $5M and Carle makes over 5 as will Striet in all likelihood but yeah Coburn's contract is a real albatross.

Trade Coburn and the Flyers will spend years trying to trade for another dman like him or pray that Nurse, Risto, Zad, or whoever they draft will develop into him in 6-7years.

I am not saying he is untradeable or denying he had a bad season but people are being ridic with the exaggeration of how bad he plays. He gives you @ 30 real good games, 10-15 great games, 10-15 bad games, and the rest he is just good.

If they trade him who is do you trust to go up against OA, Malkin, Lucic, KesseL/JVR, Spezza in a long series? Schenn? I am not there yet. Grossman? To one dimensional and would get exposed w/o a strong skating partner kinda like Coburn.

Coburn is the only guy they have with the size and speed to match up with any top line. Mez if he is healthy has a similar combo with more offense.

Kimmo - Coburn
Streit - Schenn
Grossman - Mez
Gus (hang tight for one more year unless Mez or Grossman gets hurt again)

That is a really good d with a nice blend of talents.

lancer247 is offline  
Old
06-14-2013, 01:35 AM
  #147
dookie88
Registered User
 
dookie88's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Germany
Country: Germany
Posts: 2,575
vCash: 500
IMO Gus is a lock for the top6 unit.
As long as he doesn't screw up in camp he's going to be here and I wouldn't be shocked if he somehow ends up in the top4 and Streit playing third-pairing on even-strength.

If Streit is signed Mez is gone. Let's hope we find a taker.

dookie88 is offline  
Old
06-14-2013, 05:25 AM
  #148
Appleyard
Registered User
 
Appleyard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Manc/Shef/Utrecht
Country: Netherlands
Posts: 4,912
vCash: 365
Quote:
Originally Posted by dookie88 View Post
IMO Gus is a lock for the top6 unit.
As long as he doesn't screw up in camp he's going to be here and I wouldn't be shocked if he somehow ends up in the top4 and Streit playing third-pairing on even-strength.

If Streit is signed Mez is gone. Let's hope we find a taker.
I think someone takes Mez for a draft pick, duno what round, but some of the 'worse' teams in the NHL will probably take a punt on him hoping he can be fit, as if he is they get a great D man who can play PP and be in the top four for a pick. Someone must take that gamble considering there are not that many top 4 D men in the NHL who are proven.

Appleyard is offline  
Old
06-14-2013, 06:49 AM
  #149
DrinkFightFlyers
Grave Before Shave
 
DrinkFightFlyers's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: NJ
Country: United States
Posts: 11,700
vCash: 50
Send a message via AIM to DrinkFightFlyers
Quote:
Originally Posted by BrindamoursNose View Post
Too many people are short-sighted with Braydon Coburn.

If Braydon goes, our defense looks significantly worse. I know, I know...what a crazy thought. But it is true. Coburn had a bad year. I'm confident he will bounce back wonderfully. When he plays physically, he's excellent. He may be the fastest 6'5 guy in the league, so that is always a thrill. Also, he was important on the PK.

Say what you will, but I'm certainly not interested in trading him. I have a feeling he'll make everyone aware as to why he's making the cash that he is and why he's the longest tenured Flyer currently.
I'm with you 100% on this. The only thing is that if Yandle is acquired, then Coburn is expendable. The defense the way it is, Coburn is essential. If Yandle is brought in, then he is not.

DrinkFightFlyers is offline  
Old
06-14-2013, 06:51 AM
  #150
sa cyred
Yea....the Flyers...
 
sa cyred's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Traveling...
Country: Cuba
Posts: 14,857
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by lancer247 View Post
+1

People here fall in love with these one dimensional dmen like Grossman and Gus but want to get rid of Coburn like he would be so easily replaced. Then they complain about his contract. Gonchar got $5M and Carle makes over 5 as will Striet in all likelihood but yeah Coburn's contract is a real albatross.

Trade Coburn and the Flyers will spend years trying to trade for another dman like him or pray that Nurse, Risto, Zad, or whoever they draft will develop into him in 6-7years.

I am not saying he is untradeable or denying he had a bad season but people are being ridic with the exaggeration of how bad he plays. He gives you @ 30 real good games, 10-15 great games, 10-15 bad games, and the rest he is just good.

If they trade him who is do you trust to go up against OA, Malkin, Lucic, KesseL/JVR, Spezza in a long series? Schenn? I am not there yet. Grossman? To one dimensional and would get exposed w/o a strong skating partner kinda like Coburn.

Coburn is the only guy they have with the size and speed to match up with any top line. Mez if he is healthy has a similar combo with more offense.

Kimmo - Coburn
Streit - Schenn
Grossman - Mez
Gus (hang tight for one more year unless Mez or Grossman gets hurt again)

That is a really good d with a nice blend of talents.
Im not on the trade coburn boat but i will say grossmann is EASILY the better defender. Grossmann wa played against Malkin and Crosby and did a phenoninal job during the playoffs one year ago.

I have more faith when Grossmann is out there than Coburn. I know Coburn has great skating, he really does, but his other skills really have not improved over the years. Its why he gets exposed each and every time he has his own pairing.

sa cyred is online now  
Closed Thread

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:50 AM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. ©2014 All Rights Reserved.