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06-14-2013, 02:08 PM
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Why draft a player based on such a narrow focus? Shouldn't your query be: who are the best defenceman available in the first two rounds? Generally, stay-at-home defencemen play that style due to the limitations in their overall mobility. To choose a lesser talented player because of his style of play would again mean that we will be reaching in the drafting process. Take the best talent available and if any need is later identified there will always be a host of Drewiskes available on the free agency market.
Mainly because we seem to only draft offensive d-men who aren't that physical and/or big. Of course it's a bonus if we can get a guy who's big, physical, and offensively talented. I just think we should aim for d-men who's first two best traits are size and physicality. I don't think that's being narrow-minded.

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Mainly because we seem to only draft offensive d-men who aren't that physical and/or big. Of course it's a bonus if we can get a guy who's big, physical, and offensively talented. I just think we should aim for d-men who's first two best traits are size and physicality. I don't think that's being narrow-minded.
Guys like McCoshen and Mueller are good at defence and offence. If there was a Tinordi available, why not though?

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What about ... if we get
25- Morin
34- Gauthier
36- Poirier
54-Dauphin/Carrier

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What about ... if we get
25- Morin
34- Gauthier
36- Poirier
54-Dauphin/Carrier
WTK resigns and becomes a Blue Jackets fan.

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And as I said, there's nothing about drafting McCarron at 25 that would preclude us from getting 2 skilled players at 34/36. We also used 3 of our first 4 picks last year on skilled forwards.

If you keep drafting average sized, skilled forwards, that's all your team is ever going to be made up of. And I'm not saying skilled forwards are a bad thing but, as we clearly saw in the playoffs first hand, you need a mix. They're hard to get in a trade and hard to get in free agency, so where else can you look? I don't see another avenue besides the draft.

People want an identity change in Montreal but aren't willing to take the risks to get there.



On the contrary, I would suggest that our scouting staff's weakness in being unable to identify and draft power forwards in any round as a reason for why we would need to reach higher for those guys than maybe some other teams who can draft power forwards in later rounds would have to. If our scouts aren't getting it done in that area (but are extremely proficient in other areas), why not take a chance on the consensus guy? Can't be worse than the nothing we've produced so far, and you still have your two other high picks in the second round to fall back on if he busts.
People need to acknowledge the Habs have a new Front Office Staff, our new GM and Asst. GM are considered to be two of the best in the hockey world. The scouting team has completely changed and doubled in size with really good scouts. Rick Dudley & Bergevin have built up Chicago and Toronto with precisely the type of PWF's the Habs need. The old GM's are gone and these guys know talent when they see it and have the track record to prove that. It's like you say, with 6 picks in the first 55 the Habs can get talent and size, for a change.

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What about ... if we get
25- Morin
34- Gauthier
36- Poirier
54-Dauphin/Carrier
Appart from Poirier (maybe) none of them should be available even near that draft spot. Maybe Carrier could fall too.

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Guys like McCoshen and Mueller are good at defence and offence. If there was a Tinordi available, why not though?
cool thanks, i'll read up on them.

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06-14-2013, 02:19 PM
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What about ... if we get
25- Morin
34- Gauthier
36- Poirier
54-Dauphin/Carrier
The RDS guys would be in heaven

Now can you imagine in 3-4-5 years down the road none of then pan out? Yikes

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WTK resigns and becomes a Blue Jackets fan.
It may not be the sexiest draft but those are 4-5 really good, low-risk players. There's not much to dislike about our draft actually turning out like that IMO.

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It may not be the sexiest draft but those are 4-5 really good, low-risk players. There's not much to dislike about our draft actually turning out like that IMO.
Totally agree. But you knew my position about that. My thought though is that it's probably too far for any of those players except Poirier. Or maybe Carrier though it wouldn't be for me. So if those guys are there at those spots...I'd consider all of them "fallers" again, except for Poirier. Maybe Morin too. Unless I'm totally overestimating MY Q players, but that, nobody can say a damn thing about it....I totally have the right to think the world out of them and MY Michigan prospects...(Compher, Copp, Kile, Downing, De Jong, Allen, Motte)

What an awesome year in Michigan prospectwise it will be...we need to pick one....


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What about ... if we get
25- Morin
34- Gauthier
36- Poirier
54-Dauphin/Carrier
That's great choices in my books and it's quite possible that the Habs may get a couple of them.
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WTK resigns and becomes a Blue Jackets fan.
None of us get to choose regardless who we pick.
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Appart from Poirier (maybe) none of them should be available even near that draft spot. Maybe Carrier could fall too.
Like I said above it's possible, none of those guys are Top Ten picks and could fall into the 20 - 30 bracket quite easily. There are always players that fall and when there is so much talent, there is going to be differences of opinions from one team to another over most players that aren't Top Ten, IMHO.

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WTK resigns and becomes a Blue Jackets fan.
Hahaha the dreaded combo of Morin and Gauthier . That might be enough to make him question his fandom. But then again all you'd need is to switch Gauthier for one of Burakovsky, Dickinson or McCoshen and I'm pretty sure WTK would be satisfied with the draft. I know I would.

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Hahaha the dreaded combo of Morin and Gauthier . That might be enough to make him question his fandom. But then again all you'd need is to switch Gauthier for one of Burakovsky, Dickinson or McCoshen and I'm pretty sure WTK would be satisfied with the draft. I know I would.
Mantha at 25 and Diaby at 34 for maximum WTK insanity.

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The RDS guys would be in heaven

Now can you imagine in 3-4-5 years down the road none of then pan out? Yikes
Michel Bergeron and Stéphane Leroux would be having a field day.

Leroux in particular, whose notion of "gars de chez-nous" far exceeds a geographical happenstance. Every year, he draws a list of drafted players who are "de souche" -- makes my skin crawl.

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What about ... if we get
25- Morin
34- Gauthier
36- Poirier
54-Dauphin/Carrier
This would be an amazing draft if this took place!!!

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Totally agree. But you knew my position about that. My thought though is that it's probably too far for any of those players except Poirier. Or maybe Carrier though it wouldn't be for me. So if those guys are there at those spots...I'd consider all of them "fallers" again, except for Poirier. Maybe Morin too. Unless I'm totally overestimating MY Q players, but that, nobody can say a damn thing about it....I totally have the right to think the world out of them and MY Michigan prospects...(Compher, Copp, Kile, Downing, De Jong, Allen, Motte)

What an awesome year in Michigan prospectwise it will be...we need to pick one....
Yeah Compher, Downing and Allen will be great Wolverines, any of those three will play in the NHL. Evan Allen may be 5'9" but he's also 200 lbs. and could be a great center. I also like Gage Ausmus (Defenceman) too and I think that their rankings are way off.

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Michel Bergeron and Stéphane Leroux would be having a field day.

Leroux in particular, whose notion of "gars de chez-nous" far exceeds a geographical happenstance. Every year, he draws a list of drafted players who are "de souche" -- makes my skin crawl.
The good news would be that at least they would be able to give the people details about the player instead of the usual " on le connait pas vraiment ce gars la "

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Totally agree. But you knew my position about that. My thought though is that it's probably too far for any of those players except Poirier. Or maybe Carrier though it wouldn't be for me. So if those guys are there at those spots...I'd consider all of them "fallers" again, except for Poirier. Maybe Morin too. Unless I'm totally overestimating MY Q players, but that, nobody can say a damn thing about it....I totally have the right to think the world out of them and MY Michigan prospects...(Compher, Copp, Kile, Downing, De Jong, Allen, Motte)

What an awesome year in Michigan prospectwise it will be...we need to pick one....
Now that you brought him up, any thoughts on Downing?

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There is a lot of speculation about the availability of certain players when we pick at the draft, so i desided to share with you my predictions about the selections at the first two rounds of the draft. It is a project based on teams needs and how high are teams for sagnificant assets, informations i gathered from various sources.

FIRST ROUND
1st. (COL). Seth Jones, Portland (WHL) D R 6'3/208
2nd.(FLA). Nathan MacKinnon, Halifax (QMJHL) C R 6'0/182
3rd. (TBL). Jonathan Drouin, Halifax (QMJHL) LW L 5'11/185
4th. (NSH). Aleksander Barkov, Tappara (FIN) C L 6'2/205
5th. (CAR). Darnell Nurse, S. Ste. Marie (OHL) D L 6'3/189
6th. (CGY). Sean Monahan, Ottawa (OHL) C L 6'2/186
7th. (EDM). Valeri Nichushkin, Chelijabinsk 2 (RUS) LW L 6'4/196
8th. (BUF). Elias Lindholm, Brynas (SWE) C R 5'11/181
9th. (NJD). Max Domi, London (OHL) C/LW L 5'9/193
10th.(DAL).Nikita Zadorov, London (OHL) D L 6'5/230
11th.(PHI). Rasmus Ristolainen, TPS Turku (FIN) D R 6'3/203
12th.(PHX).Alexander Wennberg, Djurgardens (SWE) C L 6'1/174
13th.(WPG).Hunter Shinkaruk, Medicine Hat (WHL) C/RW L 5'11/174
14th.(CBJ). Bo Horvat, London (OHL) C/LW L 6'0/200
15th.(NYI). Zachary Fucale, Halifax (QMJHL) G L 6'1/181
16th.(BUF).Anthony Mantha, Val d'Or (QMJHL) LW L 6'4/190
17th.(OTT).Frederik Gauthier, Rimouski (QMJHL) C L 6'5/210
18th.(DET).Nicolas Petan, Portland (WHL) C L 5'9/163
19th.(CBJ). Josh Morrissey, Prince Albert (WHL) D L 5'11/182
20th.(SJS). Morgan Klimchuk, Regina (WHL) C/LW L 5'11/180
21st.(TOR).Adam Erne, Quebec (QMJHL) LW L 6'1/195
22nd.(CGY).Curtis Lazar, Edmonton (WHL) C R 5'11/193
23rd.(WSH).Valentin Zykov, B. Comeau (QMJHL) RW R 6'0/210
24th.(VAN). Madison Bowey, Kelowna (WHL) D R 6'1/200
25th.(MTL). Samuel Morin, Rimouski (QMJHL) D L 6'7/200
26th.(ANA). Ryan Hartman, Plymouth (OHL) C/RW R 5'11/187
27th.(CBJ). Artturi Lehkonen, Kalpa (FIN) LW L 5'10/163
28th.(CGY). Ryan Pulock, Brandon (WHL) D R 6'0/211
29th.(DAL). Kerby Rychel, Windsor (OHL) LW L 6'1/200
30th.(CHI). Jason Dickinson, Guelph (OHL) LW L 6'1/179

SECOND ROUND
31st. (FLA). Mirco Mueller, Everett (WHL) D L 6'3/184
32nd.(COL). Laurent Dauphin, Chicoutimi (QMJHL) C L 6'0/167
33rd. (TBL). Steve Santini, USNTDP (USHL) D R 6'2/207
34th. (MTL). Emile Poirier, Gatineau (QMHJL) LW L 6'1/183
35th. (CAR). Pavel Buchnevich, Cheropovets (KHL) C/LW L 6'1/161
36th. (MTL). Michael McCarron, USNTDP (USHL)RW 6'1/228
37th. (EDM).Chris Bigras, Owen Sound (OHL) D L 6'1/189
38th. (BUF). Ian McCoshen, Waterloo (USHL) D L 6'2/207
39th. (NJD). JT Compher, USNTDP (USHL) C R 5'11/184
40th. (DAL).Dillon Heatherington, Swift Current (WHL) D L 6'3/196
41st. (PHI). Jordan Subban, Belleville (OHL) D R 5'9/175
42nd.(PHX).Zach Nastasiuk, Owen Sound (OHL) RW R 6'1/191
43rd.(WPG).Shea Theodore, Seattle (WHL) D L 6'2/182
44th.(CBJ). Robert Hagg, Modo (SWE) D L 6'2/193
45th.(ANA).Keaton Thompson, USNTDP (USHL) D L 6'0/187
46th.(MIN).Connor Hurley, Edina High (USHSW) C L 6'1/172
47th.(SJS).Anthony Duclair, Quebec (QMJHL) LW L 5'11/180
48th.(STL).Ryan Fitzgerald, Valley Jr. (EJHL) C L 5'9/168
49th.(DET).Andre Burakovsky, Malmo (SWE) LW L 6'1/178
50st.(SJS). Wilhelm Westlund, Farjestad (SWE) D L 6'0/184
51th.(TOR).Mitchell Wheaton, Kelowna (WHL) D L 6'4/228 39
52nd.(BUF).Marc-Oliver Roy, Blainville (QMJHL) C/LW L 6'0/175
53rd.(WSH).Oliver Bjorkstrand, Portand (WHL) RW R 5'11/167
54th.(DAL).Eric Comrie, Tri City (WHL) G L 6'1/167 37
55th.(MTL). Justin Bailey, Kitchener (OHL) C/RW R 6'3/194
56th.(ANA). Niklas Hansson, Rogle (SWE) D R 6'0/175
57th.(WPG).Tristan Jarry, Edmonton (WHL) G L 6'2/178
58th.(SJS). Philippe Desrosiers, Rimouski (QMJHL) G L 6'1/182
59th.(BOS).John Hayden, USNTDP (USHL) RW R 6'2/210
60th.(WPG).Jacob De La Rose, Leksands (SWE) LW L 6'2/189

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Mantha at 25 and Diaby at 34 for maximum WTK insanity.
Though Diaby at 34...and I'm in WTK camp...

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Mainly because we seem to only draft offensive d-men who aren't that physical and/or big. Of course it's a bonus if we can get a guy who's big, physical, and offensively talented. I just think we should aim for d-men who's first two best traits are size and physicality. I don't think that's being narrow-minded.
So you'd be okay with drafting a Matt Carkner clone in the first round?

I think for stay at home defensemen the first trait to look at should be "how good is he defending", and then size and physicality. McCoshen for instance isn't very physical but that's a pretty bad reason to pass on him depending on who else is there.

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Now that you brought him up, any thoughts on Downing?
Saw him only 2 times. Pretty good, but really raw, future 2-way d-man. Still believe his defensive upside will be greater than his offensive one, yet, should be able to make a great first pass out of the zone. Just not totally out of any offensive skills. REALLY interesting prospect. I think Michigan will see out of him a better Greg Pateryn. Honestly, he might not be THAT far off from McCoshen we hear a lot in the 1st round. Tons of potential. Kid is physical.

Downing could also be what we the Habs and us should have in mind...ESPECIALLY if he's still there at 55. But if I'm a team....I pick him up earlier than that. Could be a surprising 1st rounder riser? Probably not....but if he's there at 55..he HAS to be strongly considered. From some reports, he seems to be on his way up, and seems to have progressed immensely as the season progressed.

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The USNTDP is over for McCarron but he still hasn't chosen between London and Western Michigan. He prefers to wait after the draft and discuss it with the team that will draft him.
In all fairness, when it comes to skating and puck handling abilities, McCarron was very grateful to the US program for the strides he made. He was previously referring to intimidation and fighting.
Wow that would be awesome... Does London Knights ever produce bad players?

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There is a lot of speculation about the availability of certain players when we pick at the draft, so i desided to share with you my predictions about the selections at the first two rounds of the draft. It is a project based on teams needs and how high are teams for sagnificant assets, informations i gathered from various sources.
Didn't have time to go through every pick but it looks like a dream draft for the Habs, if you ask me.

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