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Flames offer all three first rounders to Avalanche

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06-16-2013, 12:01 AM
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Rumour on hockeybuzz is that Buffalo wants the first badly and they are looking to get another 1 round pick to get the 1rst for the 8th, 16 th and that other pick

What other 1st round pick are the Sabres attempting to get?

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06-16-2013, 12:01 AM
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Thats an embarrassing offer. Not nearly enough.

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06-16-2013, 12:11 AM
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I saw on twitter that Buffalo offered Grigorenko, Miller, the 8th and 21...

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06-16-2013, 12:14 AM
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I honestly think this would be a good move for the Avalanche...maybe I'm in the minority.

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06-16-2013, 12:18 AM
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I honestly think this would be a good move for the Avalanche...maybe I'm in the minority.
In general when you trade 1 great thing for 3 good things, the team that gets the great things wins.

Chances are with the 22nd or 28th pick one of those will end up as a dud, so what it basically comes off as is a downgrade from 1 to 6 plus a good/decent asset

The only way Colorado wins by accepting this deal is the guy they would pick at #1 doesn't live to full potential. In the NHL though having as many "star" players as possible is key to winning


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06-16-2013, 12:20 AM
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I honestly think this would be a good move for the Avalanche...maybe I'm in the minority.
Avs want something much more proven. Include a guy like Baertschi or Brodie along with 6 and 22 and then we'll get to talking.

Maybe even Baertschi, Giordano and 6th for 1st. Avs get a great young W prospect (organizational need), a proven top pairing D (organizational need) and still get a legit prospect with the 6th pick. Flames get their franchise C they've needed for more than a decade.

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06-16-2013, 12:21 AM
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I saw on twitter that Buffalo offered Grigorenko, Miller, the 8th and 21...
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06-16-2013, 12:21 AM
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Hopefully Florida will take it.
Depends on how bad Tallon wants a guy like Jones or MacKinnon. Potential franchise d-man or center. IMO, it is obvious we need the top guy more than 3 good prospects. So, no thanks.

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06-16-2013, 12:24 AM
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Flames has quite a few holes on the roster. Adding MacKinnon as great as he is would be fantastic. However, we need to start stockpiling right now. Next year would be the year to get an elite top end player(top 3 pick, most likely) for the Flames.

Monahan/Lindholm + 22nd(let's say Morrissey) + 28(let's say Klimchuk) + keeping a guy like Baertschi AND then adding one of Nylander/Reinhart/Ekblad next year would be much better than just getting one great player in MacKinnon. Especially for a team like the Flames at this point in time.


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06-16-2013, 12:27 AM
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Avs reportedly offered Tampa it's four first rounders (12, 17, 19, 20) for first overall (Lecavalier) and it was rejected.

First overall picks are close to being slam dunks. Picks below 3rd-4th have a completely different element of risk. There are lots of busts, grinders, third pairing defenders and so on when looking through drafting history.

I think psychology, especially for a guy like Roy who likes to look good, would make it really hard to trade a first overall pick and assume the risk of it ending up being a bad trade. It would have to be, quoting Roy, "something we are going to say ... no choice but to take it".

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06-16-2013, 12:31 AM
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Good, While there's still talent that'll be there at 6, dropping from Seth/MacKinnon to that pick is worth a lot more than two picks in the 20s. If it was Baertsch and Giordano instead of those picks it becomes harder to say no, but for just the three picks, that should be an easy no.


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06-16-2013, 12:39 AM
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I see Calgary getting a lot of high picks in the next couple years, they should sit tight where they're at, they'll get some good players this year and their franchise player in the next year or two.

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06-16-2013, 12:41 AM
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There's no harm in trying, right?

But since Colorado is likely to draft Jones I would be shooting for 2nd or 3rd overall with those picks if I were calgary.

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06-16-2013, 01:02 AM
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There's no harm in trying, right?

But since Colorado is likely to draft Jones I would be shooting for 2nd or 3rd overall with those picks if I were calgary.
Exactly, the Avs will probably take jones, mackinon (god I hope he is the one we are after) will probably be there at 2nd, offer that package to Florida and let them reject us....

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06-16-2013, 01:11 AM
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I would do it from a Flames perspective. There was a Thread a while ago about trading 3 picks for the First overall. Using roughly where the Flames would pick. Basically every season the first overall was substantially better than the 3 combined.
I would do it to but this isn't any draft also

07:
1. P.Kane
6. Gagner
22. Giroux
28.Petrecki

08:
1.Stamkos
6.Filatov
22.Eberle
28.Tikhonov

09:
1.Tavares
6.OEL
22.Schroeder
28.Olsen

While I think this year has the best depth it seems you always get a good player from our picks so I would atleast think it is a decent offer.

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06-16-2013, 01:18 AM
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Avs want something much more proven. Include a guy like Baertschi or Brodie along with 6 and 22 and then we'll get to talking.

Maybe even Baertschi, Giordano and 6th for 1st. Avs get a great young W prospect (organizational need), a proven top pairing D (organizational need) and still get a legit prospect with the 6th pick. Flames get their franchise C they've needed for more than a decade.
And that's exactly why these types of picks never get traded. That is a disgusting overpayment from Calgary, and is surely in no way beneficial to their success moving forward.

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06-16-2013, 01:24 AM
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They should take it. Remember when Colorado offered four firsts for Vinny and ended up drafting Tanguay, Skoula, Regehr and Parker and winning a cup? When you consider that 98 was one of the weakest drafts ever and Colorado would be getting a marginally worse(imo) player at 6 that they would at 1 you feel like Colorado could go a lot farther along a rebuild than with just Seth Jones. I don't see why Calgary would even offer this, they need help at every position and Seth Jones isn't as good as three core players.

The 1st overall pick gets massively overrated every year. The last three in particular aren't special players at all. Would you rather have RNH or Couturier/Hamilton + Morrow + Rakell? Yakupov or Trouba + Subban + Samuelsson? Even in a year where the 1st is a great player.. Tavares or OEL + Johansson + Despres? Stamkos or Pietrangelo + Eberle + Carlson?


Edit: Obviously this is reliant on Colorado thinking their scouting staff isn't crap.

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06-16-2013, 01:26 AM
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Just want to know from an Avs perspective what would it take for them to trade their first overall pick to the Flames. I have not followed the Avs and do not know what they need.

The person who said the Flames would trade their 3 first to the Avs are insane this is a deep draft and a chance for Calgary to pick up some good players as our prospect pool is weak as we do not have one particular players that fans can say he deserves to play in the NHL now.

I think that the Avs would want a d-man and a top 6 forward, top prospect and 6th to trade their 1st. They would probably want Girodano, Barteschi, Cammy/Tanguay and 6th in order to trade their 1st to Calgary

If I am wrong please give me your opinion

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Just want to know from an Avs perspective what would it take for them to trade their first overall pick to the Flames. I have not followed the Avs and do not know what they need.

The person who said the Flames would trade their 3 first to the Avs are insane this is a deep draft and a chance for Calgary to pick up some good players as our prospect pool is weak as we do not have one particular players that fans can say he deserves to play in the NHL now.

I think that the Avs would want a d-man and a top 6 forward, top prospect and 6th to trade their 1st. They would probably want Girodano, Barteschi, Cammy/Tanguay and 6th in order to trade their 1st to Calgary

If I am wrong please give me your opinion
Are you insinuating that you would rather trade Giordano, Baertschi, Cammalleri and the Sixth Overall to move up instead of the three draft picks?

I surely hope not..

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I would think Calgary needs to add as many quality pieces as possible in a deep draft. They're not exactly in a position where one dynamite prospect puts them over the top. And from Colorado's standpoint they have a bunch of talented forwards. The piece they need is a number 1/2 D which they're going to get in Jones.

Makes sense why COL says no.

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I saw on twitter that Buffalo offered Grigorenko, Miller, the 8th and 21...
21? We have 16.

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Thats an embarrassing offer. Not nearly enough.
It's hardly embarrassing.

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I saw on twitter that Buffalo offered Grigorenko, Miller, the 8th and 21...
Disgusting overpayment, no way this is true. Especially since Buffalo has the 16th and not 21st.

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Late firsts are no sure things, most don't turn out. So to downgrade from a potential franchise star player to a good player at 6 and only get two late firsts would be stupid. Quality > quantity.

Would you give up a top 3 pick this year for the 6th and Gaunce and Schroeder? I sure wouldn't.

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