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06-15-2013, 06:32 PM
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Very disappointing defencemen free agent class this summer. Bergevin will have to make a move to get someone decent. I'd love to see him try and snag Mark Stuart from the Jets. I find him underrated. Hits, fights, solid in his own zone.

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Gorges is built for a collapsing/shot blocking scheme. We now play a pressure system. He got exposed due to his lack of mobility, you need to be able to skate to defend in this system. Love the guy, but I think we should trade him at the draft to a team that plays to his strengths.
Very true.

But even in a more passive and defensive system, we can still do better than Gorges.

And I'm not saying all this because he just had a terrible season.

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Very disappointing defencemen free agent class this summer. Bergevin will have to make a move to get someone decent. I'd love to see him try and snag Mark Stuart from the Jets. I find him underrated. Hits, fights, solid in his own zone.
I haven't watched much of Mark Stuart, but what you describe is definitely what we need and the jets have a ton of good dmen. Although they are at odds with Byfuglien and might be trading him.

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Markov (yeah is old but he only has 1 year to go)
Beaulieu (another full Ahl year is highly suggested)
Collberg (small but a great sniper and good one on one moves)
1st 2014

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Letang
Tom Kühnhackl

I'm I far from it or is that too much???

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Markov (yeah is old but he only has 1 year to go)
Beaulieu (another full Ahl year is highly suggested)
Collberg (small but a great sniper and good one on one moves)
1st 2014

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Tom Kühnhackl

I'm I far from it or is that too much???
Why don't you throw in Pacioretty as well?

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Markov (yeah is old but he only has 1 year to go)
Beaulieu (another full Ahl year is highly suggested)
Collberg (small but a great sniper and good one on one moves)
1st 2014

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Tom Kühnhackl

I'm I far from it or is that too much???
Why?

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"You have no clue what you're talking about rahrahrahrahrah derp..."

Stop drinking the kool-aid. Gorges is the most overrated player on these boards. You and the others still fail to bring anything else than "shot-blocking" and those supposed leadership qualities to talk about what he brings as contributions to this team. Still, for the "great" leader he is supposed to be, he keeps saying the most stupid things, he keeps getting on Subban's back, and he keeps acting like a tool. His shot blocking is often a weakness, as he is very often the one deflecting shots in his own net. He's slow. He's not physical. He's got 0 offensive abilities. That, PLUS we saw last year he is bound to have one or two seasons here and there where he's not even good defensively... and all that, while playing on a team which was on a HUGE hot streak.

Bring me something this guy brings... Tell me about ONE thing. One SINGLE thing he brings other than shot blocking.

First pass?
Shooting?
Offensive zone passing?
Toughness?
Crease-clearing abilities?
Skating?

Tell me of ONE single aspect Gorges brings that makes you say: "Wow! He's really making a living out of doing that!"

Then, tell me if it's worth a 6 years contract for 4M a season.

You guys stop *****ing about how Bergevin will pay 7M dollars to a 23 years old Norris Trophy winner, and start wondering about how much we pay guys like Gorges and Gionta, who add absolutely nothing to the identity of a team, and who eat almost 15% of the salary cap.
you read my mind , my point exactly

u wont pay a Norris winner 7 but applaud Gorges at 4 who does nothing most nights

great post

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Weird... is this the general perception of Markov?
I think so ,lost 2 steps and struggles on D , PAST HIS PRIME

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"you have no clue what you're talking about rahrahrahrahrah derp..."

stop drinking the kool-aid. Gorges is the most overrated player on these boards. You and the others still fail to bring anything else than "shot-blocking" and those supposed leadership qualities to talk about what he brings as contributions to this team. Still, for the "great" leader he is supposed to be, he keeps saying the most stupid things, he keeps getting on subban's back, and he keeps acting like a tool. His shot blocking is often a weakness, as he is very often the one deflecting shots in his own net. He's slow. He's not physical. He's got 0 offensive abilities. That, plus we saw last year he is bound to have one or two seasons here and there where he's not even good defensively... And all that, while playing on a team which was on a huge hot streak.

Bring me something this guy brings... Tell me about one thing. One single thing he brings other than shot blocking.

First pass?
Shooting?
Offensive zone passing?
Toughness?
Crease-clearing abilities?
Skating?

Tell me of one single aspect gorges brings that makes you say: "wow! He's really making a living out of doing that!"

then, tell me if it's worth a 6 years contract for 4m a season.

You guys stop *****ing about how bergevin will pay 7m dollars to a 23 years old norris trophy winner, and start wondering about how much we pay guys like gorges and gionta, who add absolutely nothing to the identity of a team, and who eat almost 15% of the salary cap.
he brings none of those qualities

should be a 2 mil max player

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Markov (yeah is old but he only has 1 year to go)
Beaulieu (another full Ahl year is highly suggested)
Collberg (small but a great sniper and good one on one moves)
1st 2014

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Tom Kühnhackl

I'm I far from it or is that too much???
That is about as horrible a trade as I have seen. Please no more suggestion.

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06-15-2013, 11:27 PM
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Markov (yeah is old but he only has 1 year to go)
Beaulieu (another full Ahl year is highly suggested)
Collberg (small but a great sniper and good one on one moves)
1st 2014

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Tom Kühnhackl

I'm I far from it or is that too much???
No, just no.

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I'd love to add either Clarkson, Bickel (Not sure if he's UFA and who knows next season he won't be as good as he is now) Flippula could be an interesting option although he is not very physical.

I think it's time we trade Gionta. Sick of him.

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06-15-2013, 11:34 PM
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Are people feeling more open to continue the rebuild? We've got five options IMO...

1) Sign overpriced, old, over-hyped Free Agents and try and compete in the middle group
2) Do nothing impactful, no big trades or signings, and battle for 8th seed
3) Continue the rebuild, move aging assets and still potentially battle for 8th
4) Blow up the rest of the team, pull an Edmonton and hope for McDavid in 2015
5) Trade DD, Moen + 3rd to Pittsburgh for Malkin, win a Stanley Cup

I choose option #3. But also maybe #5.
I hope this is a joke

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Markov (yeah is old but he only has 1 year to go)
Beaulieu (another full Ahl year is highly suggested)
Collberg (small but a great sniper and good one on one moves)
1st 2014

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Letang
Tom Kühnhackl

I'm I far from it or is that too much???
Anyhow, to properly respond to your post, to be nice and to actually give you an explanation, this is a terrible trade for the following reasons:

1) Letang is a UFA in 2014, you're giving up a lot for a player who is going UFA in one year.
2) In the short-term, it is not clear that Letang is *that much* better than Markov. Letang had more points, yes, but he gets a lot of points off Crosby and Malkin. Whereas Letang supports the Penguins powe play, Markov drives the Canadiens power play, he is the general, not the lieutenant. Markov is also better defensively, and he had to recover from a three-year absence.
3) By the time Letang becomes indisputably and omprehensively superior to Markov, Beaulieu may be on par with Letang. Beaulieu has progressed quite well in his development, excellent post-draft year in the OHL, and excellent first year in the AHL. Quite frankly, I wouldn't do Markov+Beaulieu straight up for Letang. I'd consider Markov+Beaulieu for Letang+1st to be a lateral move.
4) Why are you excited by Tom Kühnhackl? He was a 4th rounder in the 2010 draft. As a forward, two years after his draft year, he scored 29 points in 34 OHL games, that's not good.
5) On top of that, you want to throw in our best offensive prospect (Collberg) and a 1st rounder in a very deep draft. If we do this trade, we will have a completely depleted farm system (best forward prospect gone, best defense prospect gone, 1st rounder gone).

I'll tell you what I'm willing to offer for Kris Letang relative to what he would cost: Nothing. He isn't what we need. We already have Markov, Subban, Diaz, on the pro roster, and we have Beaulieu and Nygren among the prospects. The Habs are covered in the department of defenseman who contribute to the offense. We have that nailed. This is not the area where we need to sacrifice strength to build on. It's not one of our weaknesses. On top of that, Letang is overrated from playing with Crosby and Malkin, and is going UFA in 1 year.


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Anyhow, to properly respond to your post, to be nice and to actually give you an explanation, this is a terrible trade for the following reasons:

1) Letang is a UFA in 2014, you're giving up a lot for a player who is going UFA in one year.
2) In the short-term, it is not clear that Letang is *that much* better than Markov. Letang had more points, yes, but he gets a lot of points off Crosby and Malkin. Whereas Letang supports the Penguins powe play, Markov drives the Canadiens power play, he is the general, not the lieutenant. Markov is also better defensively, and he had to recover from a three-year absence.
3) By the time Letang becomes indisputably and omprehensively superior to Markov, Beaulieu may be on par with Letang. Beaulieu has progressed quite well in his development, excellent post-draft year in the OHL, and excellent first year in the AHL. Quite frankly, I wouldn't do Markov+Beaulieu straight up for Letang. I'd consider Markov+Beaulieu for Letang+1st to be a lateral move.
4) Why are you excited by Tom Kühnhackl? He was a 4th rounder in the 2010 draft. As a forward, two years after his draft year, he scored 29 points in 34 OHL games, that's not good.
5) On top of that, you want to throw in our best offensive prospect (Collberg) and a 1st rounder in a very deep draft. If we do this trade, we will have a completely depleted farm system (best forward prospect gone, best defense prospect gone, 1st rounder gone).

I'll tell you what I'm willing to offer for Kris Letang relative to what he would cost: Nothing. He isn't what we need. We already have Markov, Subban, Diaz, on the pro roster, and we have Beaulieu and Nygren among the prospects. The Habs are covered in the department of defenseman who contribute to the offense. We have that nailed. This is not the area where we need to sacrifice strength to build on. It's not one of our weaknesses. On top of that, Letang is overrated from playing with Crosby and Malkin, and is going UFA in 1 year.
Letang would be perfect Markov replacement.. Diaz is second wave PP unit material, Beaulieu isnt there yet and still needs alot of improvement.. When he is ready, I would give him second unit PP time to start... You can also package him in a deal to get an elite stay at home defenseman..

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Letang would be perfect Markov replacement.
Yeah, if we could get him for free.

However Letang is considered a top-10 dman in the NHL, so if we want him we will have to offer a worthy package, for which I can see no viable prospect for the Habs to do so.

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I hope this is a joke
Most definitely.

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Why don't you throw in Pacioretty as well?
No Maxpac, we need to add Subban and Gallagher.
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That is about as horrible a trade as I have seen. Please no more suggestion.
Would be simpler to offer all our team for Letang according to him.
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Anyhow, to properly respond to your post, to be nice and to actually give you an explanation, this is a terrible trade for the following reasons:

1) Letang is a UFA in 2014, you're giving up a lot for a player who is going UFA in one year.
2) In the short-term, it is not clear that Letang is *that much* better than Markov. Letang had more points, yes, but he gets a lot of points off Crosby and Malkin. Whereas Letang supports the Penguins powe play, Markov drives the Canadiens power play, he is the general, not the lieutenant. Markov is also better defensively, and he had to recover from a three-year absence.
3) By the time Letang becomes indisputably and omprehensively superior to Markov, Beaulieu may be on par with Letang. Beaulieu has progressed quite well in his development, excellent post-draft year in the OHL, and excellent first year in the AHL. Quite frankly, I wouldn't do Markov+Beaulieu straight up for Letang. I'd consider Markov+Beaulieu for Letang+1st to be a lateral move.
4) Why are you excited by Tom Kühnhackl? He was a 4th rounder in the 2010 draft. As a forward, two years after his draft year, he scored 29 points in 34 OHL games, that's not good.
5) On top of that, you want to throw in our best offensive prospect (Collberg) and a 1st rounder in a very deep draft. If we do this trade, we will have a completely depleted farm system (best forward prospect gone, best defense prospect gone, 1st rounder gone).

I'll tell you what I'm willing to offer for Kris Letang relative to what he would cost: Nothing. He isn't what we need. We already have Markov, Subban, Diaz, on the pro roster, and we have Beaulieu and Nygren among the prospects. The Habs are covered in the department of defenseman who contribute to the offense. We have that nailed. This is not the area where we need to sacrifice strength to build on. It's not one of our weaknesses. On top of that, Letang is overrated from playing with Crosby and Malkin, and is going UFA in 1 year.
This is the worst proposal I have seen in months if not years.
I guess the only goal was to troll...
Most likely, Letang will resign with Pens at a lower price than his real value.

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Why?
Bring in Scuderi in summer To have

Scuderi Subban
Gorges Letang
Tinordi Bouillon
Diaz Drewsiki
(emelin)

We havemore cap space and have two perfect combination in our top4 1 Norris winner 1 Norris Finalist this year (near finalist in 2011). Letang is younger than Markov and have more NHL experience than Beaulieu. Lead to think that Nygren Pateryn and Ellis will have a chance to take Bouillon spot in a near future. Still have Diaz as a pmd. Collberg is a great young player but still another midget that has to learn the north american style hockey.

I Know that pittsburgh need to add to this but what? Shall we ask Teddy Blueger instead of Tom Kühnhackl or maybe Beau Bennett??

Letang, Scuderi and Bouillon pretty well know Therrien coaching style and this could help to build a strong minded d-core. That lead Pittsburg to gain a solid pp specialist, a young d man to build on, a young sniper, and a late 1st in 2014 (another great draft oh yeah??).

People mention that Crosby and Malkin produce Letang, can he do the same in our team. Was that the same when Jordan Staal fetch No. 8 overall pick, center Brandon Sutter and defenseman Brian Dumoulin?

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Anyhow, to properly respond to your post, to be nice and to actually give you an explanation, this is a terrible trade for the following reasons:

1) Letang is a UFA in 2014, you're giving up a lot for a player who is going UFA in one year.
2) In the short-term, it is not clear that Letang is *that much* better than Markov. Letang had more points, yes, but he gets a lot of points off Crosby and Malkin. Whereas Letang supports the Penguins powe play, Markov drives the Canadiens power play, he is the general, not the lieutenant. Markov is also better defensively, and he had to recover from a three-year absence.
3) By the time Letang becomes indisputably and omprehensively superior to Markov, Beaulieu may be on par with Letang. Beaulieu has progressed quite well in his development, excellent post-draft year in the OHL, and excellent first year in the AHL. Quite frankly, I wouldn't do Markov+Beaulieu straight up for Letang. I'd consider Markov+Beaulieu for Letang+1st to be a lateral move.
4) Why are you excited by Tom Kühnhackl? He was a 4th rounder in the 2010 draft. As a forward, two years after his draft year, he scored 29 points in 34 OHL games, that's not good.
5) On top of that, you want to throw in our best offensive prospect (Collberg) and a 1st rounder in a very deep draft. If we do this trade, we will have a completely depleted farm system (best forward prospect gone, best defense prospect gone, 1st rounder gone).

I'll tell you what I'm willing to offer for Kris Letang relative to what he would cost: Nothing. He isn't what we need. We already have Markov, Subban, Diaz, on the pro roster, and we have Beaulieu and Nygren among the prospects. The Habs are covered in the department of defenseman who contribute to the offense. We have that nailed. This is not the area where we need to sacrifice strength to build on. It's not one of our weaknesses. On top of that, Letang is overrated from playing with Crosby and Malkin, and is going UFA in 1 year.
I should have bolded my last sentence i'm looking to replace Markov and i'm not loooking at Beaulieu or a Tim Erixon (not comparing beaulieu to erixon) type of player, I want an Esthablished player who can be on a 1st pp unit.

I'm not excited yet by Kühnhackl was just looking to add piece to elabore a possibility and then ask my question. I also don,t always look at point on the sheet cuz sometime that is not all the player's bio !!

When i build that I was trying to build it on Jordan Staal trade POV but I guess I was wrong ???

And no I will never add MAX PACIORETTY to any trade proposal even for a Crosby.

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I should have bolded my last sentence i'm looking to replace Markov and i'm not loooking at Beaulieu or a Tim Erixon (not comparing beaulieu to erixon) type of player, I want an Esthablished player who can be on a 1st pp unit.
We have an established player and his name is Andrei Markov. By the time Markov declines, Beaulieu is a really great shot to be ready.

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When i build that I was trying to build it on Jordan Staal trade POV but I guess I was wrong ???
Jordan Staal is a really good fit for Carolina, so obviously they would offer a lot for him. Seeing as how we have Plekanec and Eller, we wouldn't offer the same package for Staal.

The Habs don't need an offensive dmen -- we had Kaberle riding the bench last year. What we need is a physical shutdown dman, an offensive sniper with size, that sort of thing.

If we're going to liquidate our farm system, should it not be to upgrade on a position of weakness rather than to enhance a position of strength?

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Very disappointing defencemen free agent class this summer. Bergevin will have to make a move to get someone decent. I'd love to see him try and snag Mark Stuart from the Jets. I find him underrated. Hits, fights, solid in his own zone.
I believe Jets fans get how valuable Stuart is. He would be a great addition, but it wouldn't come cheap.

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Because Letang is French and can speak French ? Who needs players who are actually good at defense.

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So Chicago will have to deciide if they buy out Roszival or let Bickell walk. Either way id submit an offer to either one

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We should build around that PK kid. Seems like he might end up being a pretty good player.

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Hey guys, how would you like getting Ponikarovsky and Steckel this summer? I'm thinking about the lineup next year and I see them as great additions.

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i hope the habs buyout karberle and sign bickell and scuderi in the offseason. also i'm hoping to god danny kristo finally makes the jump and is on the 3rd or 4th line to start.

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