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06-16-2013, 01:06 AM
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I'd also would like this defense for next year:

Phaneuf-Gunarsson
Gardiner-Scuderi/Ference
Franson-Fraser

IMO top 15-11 in the league.

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In fact, the similarities between signing Weiss and the Tim Connolly signing is pretty striking. I think that's allowed us to be wary about signing him.
How? Aside from this past season, Weiss has averaged 74gp per season. Unlike both Bozak and TC, he has scored over 20 goals a season (close to 30 once).

You want an upgrade, there you go.

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I'd let Bozak go to FA, and then pick up Horton and Weiss. Those guys would be great secondary forwards on the Leafs.
The true way to improve the team.
I don't understand the hardon for Clarkson.

If you're looking for production its:
Horton>>>MacArthur>>>>>Clarkson

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Weiss is a major improvement on Bozak.

Clarkson is not a major improvement on Mac.
BANG ON! Couldn't have said it better myself.

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Proceed to 1st round exit.
Weiss is not going to take us past round 2. Kessel needs a power forward centre not a smallish one who isn't really a winner. If anything, we need a defensively strong defenceman, and a power forward for Kadri. That number 1C may need be acquired via the draft/ trade market.

Weiss is going to demand a ridiculously contract if he leaves Florida. He's not a first liner either, and will not improve our situation in the middle. I think we need to slow down, because it was inexperience that didn't get us past Boston.

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06-16-2013, 01:58 AM
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The true way to improve the team.
I don't understand the hardon for Clarkson.

If you're looking for production its:
Horton>>>MacArthur>>>>>Clarkson
I'd rather try to sign Bickell instead. Horton isn't a power forward and is not going to be cheap to sign either. We don't need another goal scorer.

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06-16-2013, 02:01 AM
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I'd rather try to sign Bickell instead. Horton isn't a power forward and is not going to be cheap to sign either. We don't need another goal scorer.
I agree. Horton has had a wonderful playoff but he won't play at this level during the regular season, and definitely not with this kind of grit. However, Chicago would be crazy not to reup Bickell.

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I'd also would like this defense for next year:

Phaneuf-Gunarsson
Gardiner-Scuderi/Ference
Franson-Fraser

IMO top 15-11 in the league.
I'd give Franson the top pairing role instead of Gunarsson. Phaneuf needs someone who can move the puck out of his zone better than him. Otherwise, he's going to be overworked, because he's not a strong puck mover.

Phaneuf - Franson
Gardiner - Scuderi/ Ference
Gunnarson - Fraser
Blacker

I wish Fraser was a better skater, because improved mobility is what we need on the back end.

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With Nonis inquiring into obtaining the rights of Weiss might suggest contract talks with Bozak are not going well, or this is Nonis creating leverage for himself in the negotiations.
hope it's the later. I have no interest in bringing in an oft injured center. Sounds like a disaster waiting to happen.

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06-16-2013, 02:23 AM
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If we're getting Weiss, then Grabovski has to go as well. Kadri on the 1st line, Weiss on the 2nd, Colborne on the 3rd, and McClement on the 4th.

I have no interest in bringing Bozak back whatsoever, especially for what he's asking. Would much rather play Kadri on the first line, and it's about time to promote Colborne onto the Leafs on the third line.

Grabovski I'd keep if only because he's already signed and there's not much else we can do with him, however, if Nonis is serious about getting Weiss, then Grabo has to go as well. Weiss probably wants around the same amount of money as Grabo is getting now, and there's no way I wanna pay both of those guys 5 million.
I could see that occurring. If we acquire Weiss, we'll likely see Weiss on the depth scoring line, while Kadri will be groomed into a two-way centre. The fact is, Kadri is more willing to do dirty work than Weiss and still has that Gilmour-ish potential.

JVR - Kadri - Kessel ( Top Scoring)
Kulemin- Colborne - Frattin ( Shutdown)
Lupul - Weiss - X ( Depth scoring)
X - McClement - X ( Checking/ Energy)

It's obvious that in the NHL, depth scoring is very important. We need our other lines to produce in playoff conditions as well. For that reason, we would probably need a PWF such as Bickell.

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06-16-2013, 02:24 AM
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hope it's the later. I have no interest in bringing in an oft injured center. Sounds like a disaster waiting to happen.
He's missed more than 8 games only twice since the last lockout, and has played at a 50-60-point pace in 4 of the last 5 seasons, on a terrible Florida team. I'm not sure what's so disastrous about that on a short-term deal.

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Weiss is not going to take us past round 2. Kessel needs a power forward centre not a smallish one who isn't really a winner. If anything, we need a defensively strong defenceman, and a power forward for Kadri. That number 1C may need be acquired via the draft/ trade market.

Weiss is going to demand a ridiculously contract if he leaves Florida. He's not a first liner either, and will not improve our situation in the middle. I think we need to slow down, because it was inexperience that didn't get us past Boston.
Got to agree with what you are saying, but a power forward type center is going to be hard to acquire. If Nonis fails to acquire one, Weiss would be an upgrade on what we have.

More of a fall back plan if anything.

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Got to agree with what you are saying, but a power forward type center is going to be hard to acquire. If Nonis fails to acquire one, Weiss would be an upgrade on what we have.

More of a fall back plan if anything.
That line would get crushed in the playoffs, though. Bozak is poor offensively, but he's a lot better defensively than Weiss. Poor defence and very peripheral playing style is not going to work.

Kessel could perform well with Handzus in the middle. Heck, we're better off trading for a big C like Brock Nelson (Islanders) or using Joe Colborne, because our first line wasn't the missing link. Instead our second and third lines were atrocious. That's why JVR and often Bozak were being assigned more defensive minutes during the playoffs. More importantly, our depth scoring line wasn't doing anything either.

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Ya except Weiss>Connolly, Finger was just a random horrible senile signing and yes Komisarek was signed after he had a great season and never lived up to it but I can't see Clarkson disappointing like that.
Seriously? You can't see Clarkson disappointing? The guy went from a complete nobody with a career high 32 points to a random 30 goal season as a 28 year old, and even then, he only put up 46 points. Even Devils fans say he's massively overrated.

I'm not just able to see Clarkson disappointing, I'm expecting it.

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Clarkson adds to our team regardless of what people say, hes a prescence in front of the net and on the forecheck. Hes a fiesty gritty player that has the size speed and skill to compete with NHL players. Hes a great player to have, at 4 mil on the dot i would welcome him. But then again hes not a guy whos a tremendous passer and our possesion game needs to get better, but on a line with Kadri and Lupul i could see him being a 30 goal scorer. The real question mark for me is Matt Frattin, if he turns into a 30 goal scorer we have a nice top six. Ty Biggs will fit in nicely on our 3rd line in the next couple years, people may not realize it yet, but hes developing really well. Hes a very good two way player, very defensivley aware, he plays hard and is great on the forecheck/down low. He is a prescence and can protect the puck well, also not bad off the rush with good speed and a good shot. If he works on his passing game and develops into a smart puck distributor he could easily be an effective top six power forward.

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I'd give Franson the top pairing role instead of Gunarsson. Phaneuf needs someone who can move the puck out of his zone better than him. Otherwise, he's going to be overworked, because he's not a strong puck mover.

Phaneuf - Franson
Gardiner - Scuderi/ Ference
Gunnarson - Fraser
Blacker

I wish Fraser was a better skater, because improved mobility is what we need on the back end.
Rielly/Gardiner are both cornerstones of our backend moving forward. I think they cover the mobility factor pretty damn well, better then most NHL d men. Fraser is really really good at what he does for us and was a big contributor to our team, improved mobility would be ideal but getting rid of Fraser is not the answer.

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Also for those of you who are fully expecting Bozak to be leaving T.O... I really dont think your right, i think theirs a 95 percent chance Bozak resigns, whether its as the 2/3 center job shared with Kadri or the 1st is unknown... All i know is i think Nonis would sooner buyout/trade Grabo and sign Bozak to at least 1 mil less then what Grabo gets to do better in the defensive role if we aqquire the top line center.

I would way rather have Bozak controlling the play of our 3rd line then letting Grabo skate around in circles shooting from bad angles and going -10 in a playoff series, Grabos good but he needs to be playing a pure rush style. Everyone thought Kessel was gonna burn in the Carlyle system, turns out Kessel excelled in the puck possesion offensive zone system because he had played it in Boston and Grabo crashed and burned.

Bozak would be an ideal 3rd line center, he actually has very underrated offensive skills and could be a key player to making our 3rd line score goals plus it would give our 3rd line a great faceoff percentage along with a solid two way centerman who can put up points, isnt that the ideal 3rd line center?? Put him with a gritty forechecking winger like an Ashton/Biggs and with a speedy guy whos good two ways and can produce off the forecheck/cycle... So like D'amigo/Ross. Thats what i see our 3rd line being moving forward, the young marlies.

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All i know is i think Nonis would sooner buyout/trade Grabo and sign Bozak to at least 1 mil less then what Grabo gets to do better in the defensive role if we aqquire the top line center.
Grabovski puts Bozak to shame defensively. Literally the only thing you can say for Bozak is that he wins face offs.

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Everyone thought Kessel was gonna burn in the Carlyle system, turns out Kessel excelled in the puck possesion offensive zone system because he had played it in Boston and Grabo crashed and burned.
Kessel's game is the absolute furthest thing from a puck possession style. Almost all of his goals come off the rush. Grabovski has better possession numbers than Kessel does. He crashed and burned because of Coach Randy, but it wasn't because of his system.

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Bozak would be an ideal 3rd line center, he actually has very underrated offensive skills
If anything, he has very overrated offensive skill. Of all first line centres in the entire league, nobody contributes a lower point percentage than Tyler Bozak.

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and could be a key player to making our 3rd line score goals plus it would give our 3rd line a great faceoff percentage along with a solid two way centerman who can put up points, isnt that the ideal 3rd line center?? Put him with a gritty forechecking winger like an Ashton/Biggs and with a speedy guy whos good two ways and can produce off the forecheck/cycle... So like D'amigo/Ross. Thats what i see our 3rd line being moving forward, the young marlies.
Biggs - Bozak - Ross would be a fun line to watch, could be effective.

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Also for those of you who are fully expecting Bozak to be leaving T.O... I really dont think your right, i think theirs a 95 percent chance Bozak resigns, whether its as the 2/3 center job shared with Kadri or the 1st is unknown... All i know is i think Nonis would sooner buyout/trade Grabo and sign Bozak to at least 1 mil less then what Grabo gets to do better in the defensive role if we aqquire the top line center.

I would way rather have Bozak controlling the play of our 3rd line then letting Grabo skate around in circles shooting from bad angles and going -10 in a playoff series, Grabos good but he needs to be playing a pure rush style. Everyone thought Kessel was gonna burn in the Carlyle system, turns out Kessel excelled in the puck possesion offensive zone system because he had played it in Boston and Grabo crashed and burned.

Bozak would be an ideal 3rd line center, he actually has very underrated offensive skills and could be a key player to making our 3rd line score goals plus it would give our 3rd line a great faceoff percentage along with a solid two way centerman who can put up points, isnt that the ideal 3rd line center?? Put him with a gritty forechecking winger like an Ashton/Biggs and with a speedy guy whos good two ways and can produce off the forecheck/cycle... So like D'amigo/Ross. Thats what i see our 3rd line being moving forward, the young marlies.
Grabovski is a better on the defensive side, but neither are shut down centres in the mould of Bergeron. In the modern NHL, the working class checking line is being replaced with a more skilled shut down line.

Top 9 skilled
Bottom 3 blue collar.

Bozak can fit on the top line or on the depth scoring line. My problem with Boz and Grabs is they're too similar to Kadri but lack his potential. We need a PWF centre on Kessel's line and another two-way shut down centre - preferably big C ala Handzus - on a separate line. A smallish depth scoring centre is fine, but ideally, we wouldn't want to place him on a line with Kessel.

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Rielly/Gardiner are both cornerstones of our backend moving forward. I think they cover the mobility factor pretty damn well, better then most NHL d men. Fraser is really really good at what he does for us and was a big contributor to our team, improved mobility would be ideal but getting rid of Fraser is not the answer.
I agree, and Franson/ Phaneuf have the physical/ two-way play down. The two are an offensive threat on the blue line and would compliment Gardiner/ Rielly quite well. Our pairings in the near future could look like:

Phaneuf - Rielly
Gardiner - Franson
Fraser - Gunnarsson
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Aren't you doing the same thing? I mean, we don't even know if Weiss is going to have success with Kessel, JVR or not.
All I'm saying is that I don't want my team going full bore after a guy who is a 60 pt player, is likely after a big payday, and is not going to be the difference between a first round exit and a Stanley Cup.
It's stuff like this that got us in trouble in the first place.

Of course I'm also a firm believer that Tyler Bozak is extremely underrated on these boards, so take it for what it's worth.

Ideally, Bozie comes in at 3.5/4 per, and if we can get a Weiss for 4.5/5 and find a taker for Grabbo, roll with Bozak Weiss Kadri up the middle were good. I don't see any of the above happening though.

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Doesn't change the fact that 10 months from now Weiss is the next Connolly. He's a 50-60 point 2/3c on a good team. He's not significantly better than what we have and has a strong chance if becoming a huge scapegoat here.
Connolly was a scapegoat long before he came here, we just signed him cause we had o better options at C

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All I'm saying is that I don't want my team going full bore after a guy who is a 60 pt player, is likely after a big payday, and is not going to be the difference between a first round exit and a Stanley Cup.
It's stuff like this that got us in trouble in the first place.

Of course I'm also a firm believer that Tyler Bozak is extremely underrated on these boards, so take it for what it's worth.

Ideally, Bozie comes in at 3.5/4 per, and if we can get a Weiss for 4.5/5 and find a taker for Grabbo, roll with Bozak Weiss Kadri up the middle were good. I don't see any of the above happening though.
only way bozak stays here is for about 3.5 ......i hear hes kessel's best buddy ,,,only way u have bozak and kessel here together .....gotta be around 10 million combined ...

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