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06-16-2013, 01:51 PM
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It would be a gamble to keep Richards one more season and then buy him out. Sure he wants to rebound and i'm confident he will, but his contract in the salary cap world especially part 2 after the most recent lockout you can't take a chance in either trading him or him retiring before the contract is up. Plus he does not fit especially with the option to use a prospect that may be ready for NHL duties, i'm talking about Miller or Lindberg. Stepan stepped up huge this past season to a point where he has to be the #1 center now, Brassard seems to slide into the #2 or #3 spot Boyle can slide down to the #4 spot and that opens up #3, which is a perfect spot for a prospect to break into the NHL (meaning Miller or Lindberg). Also keep in mind that Hrivik, Mcilrath, Fast, and some others are supposed to get real long good looks in camp this season, which may make some other players expendable.

This is why I think Richards gets bought out now, and it is cheaper to buy him out now instead of next summer because this summer it is only 27 mill I think, next summer it is his full salary for the season and then the buyout which comes to I think 29 mill.

this is a bit off topic in this thread, but goes with my post, others become expendable like Richards, Asham, Powe, Pyatt even

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06-16-2013, 02:06 PM
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What'd be the point?

Picture your boss basically telling you "ya know, we were gonna fire you right now, but we are giving you a year, then we're definitely firing you.

There's zero good that can come out of this situation.

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06-16-2013, 02:13 PM
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What'd be the point?

Picture your boss basically telling you "ya know, we were gonna fire you right now, but we are giving you a year, then we're definitely firing you.

There's zero good that can come out of this situation.
He would also be playing for another contract essentially rather with us (if we keep him) or with another team.

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06-16-2013, 02:16 PM
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What'd be the point?

Picture your boss basically telling you "ya know, we were gonna fire you right now, but we are giving you a year, then we're definitely firing you.

There's zero good that can come out of this situation.
Excellent point... not a great motivator, not a way to rally the troops either.

But... if he puts up 85pts...

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06-16-2013, 02:19 PM
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honestly i say we keep him.... he only had 1 bad year with us and oh look at that its the year of the LOCKOUT... he obviously didn't train enough to get back into form.. give him a chance or amnesty him and watch him go sign somewhere for 3m and have a 80 point season
It has nothing to do with his play. It's purely a financial decision.

Richards has a back-diving contract. The last 3 years of the deal, he makes 1 mil per year. Do you honestly believe he'll stick around for those years? Do you honestly believe that the Rangers will want him for those years?

If we don't amnesty him, we will be stuck with him for the duration of his contract. And if he retires early, we will be hit with a huge cap penalty.

The only options are to amnesty him this summer, or amnesty him next summer. If we wait until next summer, we run the risk that he will get injured and we won't be able to buy him out. So there really is no choice.

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06-16-2013, 03:10 PM
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The team wasn't fine last season. Keeping Richards makes no sense for next season and future years. He can't keep up with the play anymore. Where he is going to play? On the 3rd line? Keeping Richards ties the Rangers hands. The Rangers need to dump all of the 4th liners except for Dorsett pretending to be 3rd liners. They need another goal scoring winger. They more depth on D. Maybe you like seeing Eminger play. More depth throughout the lineup. No Newbury and Haley. Real depth. You look at the 4 final teams. The Rangers don't measure up based on the 2013 team.
The depth gets better with Krieder with another year under his belt, Lindberg, and Fast, maybe also Miller half way through the season. The 4th line, besides Dorsett, is a joke and does need to be upgraded I do agree

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Maybe in NHL 2013 it isn't a big deal. This is reality where a guy making $7M bucks a year getting scratched on a nightly basis is a big deal. It would be an unneeded distraction and not something you me or any Rangers fan wants to see. The questions of "why wasn't Richards bought out?" would linger throughout the year. Richards was brutal the whole year. Take away the last two weeks of the season and what were Richards totals? He wasn't put in the doghouse by Torts. Richards put himself in the doghouse. Sather also said it was an organizational decision. Lets not pretend Torts was the sole reason Ricahrds got scratched. For all we know Torts was the sole reason Richards wasn't scratched earlier.


The Rangers should buy Richards out and move on. You can use the money for depth. You can also not use the money and keep it until the trade deadline.

What's more likely to happen, Richards plays great or Richards has another terrible year?
These a big boys playing out there, if seeing Brad Richards being scratched is a distraction to them then something is wrong.

Im not saying Torts was the reason he stunk for parts of the season, that was Richards. But he still put up respectable numbers in the season while slumping most of it. And I think the risk is worth the reward to let him play another season.

I think its more likely he bounces back than craps the bed again. Again he had 34 points in 46 games. The way some of you make it sound is if he had 5 points in 46 games. We arent talking about Clowe here.

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06-16-2013, 03:32 PM
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These a big boys playing out there, if seeing Brad Richards being scratched is a distraction to them then something is wrong.

Im not saying Torts was the reason he stunk for parts of the season, that was Richards. But he still put up respectable numbers in the season while slumping most of it. And I think the risk is worth the reward to let him play another season.

I think its more likely he bounces back than craps the bed again. Again he had 34 points in 46 games. The way some of you make it sound is if he had 5 points in 46 games. We arent talking about Clowe here.
He has a large cap hit. Truly detrimental, no matter how much he puts up because of the cap and recapture. We can't risk him declining further/being injured...

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06-16-2013, 03:39 PM
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Richards didn't just play bad, he played reckless and mostly without effort, which was completely disgraceful. If I was Rangers management, I wouldn't want him to pay him another dime on principal alone. The fact that long term, it's the financially responsible thing to do too, just makes it more of a no brainer.

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Richards didn't just play bad, he played reckless and mostly without effort, which was completely disgraceful. If I was Rangers management, I wouldn't want him to pay him another dime on principal alone. The fact that long term, it's the financially responsible thing to do too, just makes it more of a no brainer.
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You realize that the Rangers will still be paying him if they buy him out, right?

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He has a large cap hit. Truly detrimental, no matter how much he puts up because of the cap and recapture. We can't risk him declining further/being injured...
He hasnt really been injury prone at all in his career so the odds are against him suffering some sort of long term injury.

If he can put up 70 points for us next season that is much better than anything we will get on the market.

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But the cap hit is ugly. We will have literally a centimeter of room to work with.

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He hasnt really been injury prone at all in his career so the odds are against him suffering some sort of long term injury.

If he can put up 70 points for us next season that is much better than anything we will get on the market.
Not having injuries in the past is not an indicator of not sustaining injuries in the future. Especially when a player is getting older.

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I'll also say I love Richards. But the fact that he IS getting older and will decline if not already is a problem for this team.

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You realize that the Rangers will still be paying him if they buy him out, right?
Yes. It's called a buy out. It's the best alternative of flushing this turd.

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Not having injuries in the past is not an indicator of not sustaining injuries in the future. Especially when a player is getting older.
Hes only turned 33 in May, thats not really that old to be worried about injuries, and he doesnt play a style that puts him in much danger of them.

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Hes only turned 33 in May, thats not really that old to be worried about injuries, and he doesnt play a style that puts him in much danger of them.
No but the fact that he's getting older and that simple biological factors play into his well being makes him not as great as he was 4 years ago.

Also, you realize that players on the wrong side of 30 start to decline right?

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No but the fact that he's getting older and that simple biological factors play into his well being makes him not as great as he was 4 years ago.

Also, you realize that players on the wrong side of 30 start to decline right?
I understand that.

But we are talking one more season, not 6 more seasons. And hes actually got something to prove coming into this season.

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Doesn't mean he's going to prove it. What happens if he gets injured? That's a mighty big dead weight cap space taker upper. Then we can't buy him out.

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I understand that.

But we are talking one more season, not 6 more seasons. And hes actually got something to prove coming into this season.
And what if he gets injured and we can't buy him out? What do we do then?

What is he providing us next season that is worth the risk?

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Jimmy D is writing a big cheque - buying out Brad Richards - whether it be this year or next. As I've said before, my best guess is that the NYR get one more year of (hopefully) productivity out of Richards before they cut him loose.

We can debate this until the buy out window opens (and closes), but none of us know for sure. And even then, maybe another team buys out a significant player (Hossa?) and Sather makes the decision to cut Brad thereafter.

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He'll be bought out...

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And what if he gets injured and we can't buy him out? What do we do then?

What is he providing us next season that is worth the risk?
Well that's the question.

I say it is, i'm willing to gamble cause I think the risk is low and the reward could be high.

But I completely understand people who aren't willing to risk it and want to buy him out this summer.

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He'll be bought out...
Thats a given, will it be this year or next year is the other question.

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Hes only turned 33 in May, thats not really that old to be worried about injuries, and he doesnt play a style that puts him in much danger of them.
How many players are even over 33 in the league? Out of how many?

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