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06-16-2013, 03:13 PM
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Edler 1st conditional 3rd based on (McBain re-signing) for 5th overall pick and McBain
Likelihood of McBain re-signing is high since he'll fill. Need as. Right side Dman who can bring some offence.

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06-16-2013, 03:21 PM
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Then it's a pipe dream we'd take Nichuskin in a second if he fell to 5th. But Barkov suits us much better and if he's available we'd think long and hard. If it was a deal that we leave Nichuskin to move up to grab Barkov with Carolina then it works out. But you got Calgary to contend with.

If that is what Carolina is looking to do then why even bother moving the pick in the first place. The only reason I can see is if they feel they can have their cake and eat it too. Feaster would crash that party in a second.
The idea would be that Calgary and Edmonton would be more interested in centers and would pass on Nich for Monahan/Lindholm

If that's the case, JR would trade down to 7th because he'd still get his player and he'd grab an extra pick in the process.

If it's not the case, then he'll keep the 5th and draft Nich/Barkov/Drouin there.

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06-16-2013, 03:36 PM
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To Car:
16th OVR
58 OVR
Andrej Sekera

To Buf:
5th OVR

Gives Carolina a solid #3 Dman who can have a solid first outlet pass and strong shutdown D play. Also gives them a mid first to target a D prospect like Santini or Mccoshen (SP?) and a later second rounder.

Sabres get the chance to take Lindholm who they really like or even Drouin or Barkov if one falls, however I dont expect it.

Another Offer could be:
8th OVR
Sekera

5th OVR
Mcbain

Could work out for both teams.

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06-16-2013, 03:40 PM
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Edler 1st conditional 3rd based on (McBain re-signing) for 5th overall pick and McBain
Likelihood of McBain re-signing is high since he'll fill. Need as. Right side Dman who can bring some offence.
No thanks. Canucks have no interest in that deal. If we're lucky, that 5th overall, in a few years, reaches Edler's current level of play. Maybe eventually even improves on it, but I wouldn't count on it given the history of #3-#8 picks. And we're giving up a bunch of other assets on top of that.

Hillarious how people are so enamoured with the mystery box. Peter Griffin would be proud.

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06-16-2013, 04:06 PM
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That seems like an awful lot to pay for a draft pick that a lot of people are saying probably won't be a lot different from the #50 pick.
where did you see that?

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06-16-2013, 04:08 PM
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Reilly straight up for the pick.
some people want to be picking top 10 every year

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06-16-2013, 04:20 PM
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Hemsky (half his salary retained)
Conditional 2014 pick (3rd if Hemsky resigns, 2nd if he doesn't.)

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5th Overall

Canes get help now and in the future. Oilers get a better shot at a top center.

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06-16-2013, 04:24 PM
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Then it's a pipe dream we'd take Nichuskin in a second if he fell to 5th. But Barkov suits us much better and if he's available we'd think long and hard. If it was a deal that we leave Nichuskin to move up to grab Barkov with Carolina then it works out. But you got Calgary to contend with.

If that is what Carolina is looking to do then why even bother moving the pick in the first place. The only reason I can see is if they feel they can have their cake and eat it too. Feaster would crash that party in a second.
Not sure why you're under the impression we'd trade up for Nichushkin. Don't get me wrong, I like him and would be fine with him, but MacT has explicitly said the focus with the 7th overall pick is a center and mentioned interest in is MacKinnon, Barkov and Monahan. There are two scenarios where we trade up with Carolina.
1) We think Calgary has Monahan ahead of Lindholm. I'd be fine with Lindholm, but from what we know Monahan is MacT's guy.

2) A team behind us wants to grab Lindholm/Monahan and want to trade up with CAR. This is the trickier scenario for both teams. Does Rutherford try and play us against other teams? Can we compete with an offer he might get if it gives him immediate help (something we can't afford to give up)? I don't know enough about the Canes needs to even guess which way they go.

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06-16-2013, 04:26 PM
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Conditional 2014 pick (3rd if Hemsky resigns, 2nd if he doesn't.)

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5th Overall

Canes get help now and in the future. Oilers get a better shot at a top center.
I think the Oilers would stay at 7
Too much to give up for moving up 2 spots imo

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06-16-2013, 04:27 PM
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Nichushkin will be the wild card. Which team will pay enough and take the risk?
Washington?

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06-16-2013, 04:34 PM
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I think the Oilers would stay at 7
Too much to give up for moving up 2 spots imo
Guess it depends how badly MacT wants a specific player. I don't feel Hemsky holds great value as an individual trading piece, but in a deal like this (where a team wants help now), he does. Canes need cheap help though, so you have to take on some of the salary for it to work. And Hemmer is a UFA next Summer, so they need to ensure it's not a simple rental (hence the conditional pick).

Personally, I'm cool with any of the "Big 7" falling to us. But if MacT has his sights set on someone, it could be worth it. And I feel this is the kind of deal the Canes would be looking for if they did trade down. Not totally unreasonable IMO.

You could argue giving them the 7th overall and a 2nd rounder is fair. Just not sure if that's enough to entice the Canes to make a trade. So I dunno. Say Barkov is there at 5. Would you really not pull the trigger on the above deal?


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Hemsky (half his salary retained)
Conditional 2014 pick (3rd if Hemsky resigns, 2nd if he doesn't.)

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5th Overall

Canes get help now and in the future. Oilers get a better shot at a top center.
This is pretty much the deal I expect to be consummated on draft day. Fits what JR and MacT have said about the draft and their team needs etc. the only thing it lacks is a dmen to Carolina.

Other than that it works out perfectly for both based on team makeup and other extenuating circumstances (like MacT saying he will be moving Hemsky and Horc....he probably made those comments knowing full well where he was trading the players).

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06-16-2013, 04:46 PM
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Guess it depends how badly MacT wants a specific player. I don't feel Hemsky holds great value as an individual trading piece, but in a deal like this (where a team wants help now), he does. Canes need cheap help though, so you have to take on some of the salary for it to work. And Hemmer is a UFA next Summer, so they need to ensure it's not a simple rental (hence the conditional pick).

Personally, I'm cool with any of the "Big 7" falling to us. But if MacT has his sights set on someone, it could be worth it. And I feel this is the kind of deal the Canes would be looking for if they did trade down. Not totally unreasonable IMO.

You could argue giving them the 7th overall and a 2nd rounder is fair. Just not sure if that's enough to entice the Canes to make a trade. So I dunno. Say Barkov is there at 5. Would you really not pull the trigger on the above deal?
If Barkov was there at 5 then I would pull the trigger but that is not going to happen

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06-16-2013, 04:47 PM
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Canes get help now and in the future. Oilers get a better shot at a top center.
JR has said he would trade down if he could acquire a defenseman who could step into the lineup. No need for Hemsky.

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06-16-2013, 04:51 PM
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JR has said he would trade down if he could acquire a defenseman who could step into the lineup. No need for Hemsky.
Ah, my bad. I thought the Canes had interest in Hemsky from all the msg board chatter over the past couple years. Well, the Oilers don't have the D to move. So guess we're out. lol

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06-16-2013, 04:54 PM
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Gormley and the 12th for the 5th pick

Gormley is NHL ready, Rutherford shown interest in him leading up to the 2010 draft, the 12th pick will likely have Zadorov, Ristolainen, and Pulock still available as well as some decent 2-way centers -Horvat, Gauthier, Lazar

The Coyote would target a #1 center in Lindholm if Barkov isn't available with the 5th pick.

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Gormley and the 12th for the 5th pick

Gormley is NHL ready, Rutherford shown interest in him leading up to the 2010 draft, the 12th pick will likely have Zadorov, Ristolainen, and Pulock still available as well as some decent 2-way centers -Horvat, Gauthier, Lazar

The Coyote would target a #1 center in Lindholm if Barkov isn't available with the 5th pick.
Wow. I thought the Yotes were incredibly high on Gormley.

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Wow. I thought the Yotes were incredibly high on Gormley.
You don't think valuing him as the difference between pick 5 and pick 12 is "incredibly high" on a player?

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Gormley and the 12th for the 5th pick

Gormley is NHL ready, Rutherford shown interest in him leading up to the 2010 draft, the 12th pick will likely have Zadorov, Ristolainen, and Pulock still available as well as some decent 2-way centers -Horvat, Gauthier, Lazar

The Coyote would target a #1 center in Lindholm if Barkov isn't available with the 5th pick.
I'd say the Stars top your offer with Daley and the 10th.

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Gormley and the 12th for the 5th pick

Gormley is NHL ready, Rutherford shown interest in him leading up to the 2010 draft, the 12th pick will likely have Zadorov, Ristolainen, and Pulock still available as well as some decent 2-way centers -Horvat, Gauthier, Lazar

The Coyote would target a #1 center in Lindholm if Barkov isn't available with the 5th pick.
The bar has been set.

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Wow. I thought the Yotes were incredibly high on Gormley.
They are, but the Coyotes haven't had the typical #1 center since Maloney took over and may be willing to overpay. I do think that the scenario needs to be tweaked. IMO, Barkov would be worth it, and Lindholm needs to be tweaked. What I don't like about drafting Lindholm is that he would not come over to NA (to play) until the following season

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Skinner+Ward+McBain+Bowman+5th overall

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Gagner+Dubnyk+Smid+7th overall

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some people want to be picking top 10 every year
Some people think Reilly is the next Bobby Orr

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Skinner+Ward+McBain+Bowman+5th overall

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Gagner+Dubnyk+Smid+7th overall
lol...Canes get ripped off.

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Skinner+Ward+McBain+Bowman+5th overall

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Skinner> Gagner
Ward> Dubnyk
McBain+bowman > Smid
5 th > 7th

Legit no reason for the canes to do this except downgrade their roster.

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Some people think Reilly is the next Bobby Orr
Wait, he isn't?

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