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06-16-2013, 10:05 PM
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More thoughts:

--dmen jumping up in the rush became a Canucks hallmark after Mike Gillis was hired and he and AV had a long heart-to-heart about making the team more offensive. Offence from the defense was a big part of the Canucks' goal totals the last few seasons. Encourages pinching (unless your name's Ballard).

--Unfortunately, gap control for zone exits got really troublesome the last couple of years. I don't know how much of it was the coaches not managing to get their strategies to the players and how much was the players just spacing out and not retaining information, but in the rush to create offence, the forwards tended to leave the zone too early. The result is a lot of the time, you're looking at a lone dman sitting in his zone, staring anxiously up ice trying to find someone to pass to.

--The Canucks Army article is very informative. Great AV primer.

--Also something that got annoying: his defensive zone scheme always assumed the other team played like the Canucks do. Very, very rarely would you see man-to-man coverage; far more often than not they try to defend against the pass instead of pressuring the man. And then in the offensive zone, they again assume the other team will do the same thing, then find themselves mashed up against the wall before they can make a pass.

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More thoughts:

--dmen jumping up in the rush became a Canucks hallmark after Mike Gillis was hired and he and AV had a long heart-to-heart about making the team more offensive. Offence from the defense was a big part of the Canucks' goal totals the last few seasons. Encourages pinching (unless your name's Ballard).
I think i can speak for a lot of Rangers fans when I say this will be a welcome addition to this club. The Ranger D did some of this under Torts, but the D moving up wasnt a real function of the offense at all, just more designed to keep a low forecheck going.

I think the Rangers have to get their D more engaged, period. More shots from the point, even wristers, moving up into the play - taking some more chances using guys like Del Zotto, Mac and Staal. Even Stralman can. The Rangers have been held back in this regard for years.

The best reason that you can get away with this is Henrik Lundqvist. You can afford to give up more odd man rushes. Hell, almost all of the goals he let up in the playoffs were deflection shots, point shots through screens, on the PK... etc. He excels in the odd man rush and breakaway scenarios.

So if you can design a system that allows for more offensive presence for the defenseman, I think you'll score more goals over the course of a season while not giving up a ton more on the other side. If that system can get this team .25 to .5 more goals a game, thats all you need to give Hank to start piling up the wins.

...

But from what I gather reading up on AV and watching some profiles on him - I dont think the Rangers will look a hell of a lot different on the ice compared to Torts' teams. Maybe less grinding and punishing from a blocking perspective - but the general framework i think will stil lbe there with some needed tweaks offensively. If you recall, when Torts came in he wanted to institute his "safe is death" mantra and that quickly turned into an almost complete defensive first system due to the personnel. Granted, Torts may have stuck with it too long, but it worked. It wil lbe interesting to see if AV comes to the same conclusion - but I feel like it wont be the case considering some of the skill they added to this team recently, with Nash and Brassard in particular.


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Encouraging McD, Moore, Staal, MDZ, even Stralman to jump into the play more would make me very happy.

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Brooks says Sully is a goner.
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Meanwhile, Vigneault and Sather are attempting to construct a coaching staff. While goaltending instructor/assistant coach Benoit Allaire remains on the job, neither Jim Schoenfeld nor Mike Sullivan will return. Schoenfeld will remain as assistant GM, but Sullivan will not stay with the organization.

Rick Bowness, who was Vigneault’s lead assistant/associate coach throughout his seven-year tenure with the Canucks, signed to become the Lightning’s associate soon after he was dismissed by the Canucks.

The Blueshirts are believed to be interested in Ulf Samuelsson, who served as an assistant for five years with the Coyotes after a one-year apprenticeship in that position with the AHL Wolf Pack, but it’s unknown whether the former Rangers defenseman would be willing to leave his job as head coach of MODO of the Swedish Elite League to return to the NHL as an assistant.

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http://canucksarmy.com/2013/6/15/som...eaults-new-job
Good read from Canucks army on Vigneaut and the Rangers.
Expect Boyle to be the 3C,
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If you've missed it, Alain Vigneault is in the process of finalizing a deal to begin coaching the New York Rangers. Vigneault reportedly turned down an exceedingly lucrative offer from Jim Nill to coach the Dallas Stars in order to meet with Rangers owner Jimmy Dolan and work out the final details on his new contract. Meanwhile rumours circulate that Mark Messier may yet join Vigneault staff as an assistant, and also that the Canucks might hire the man Vigneault is suceeding.

Amidst the hubub, I have a few spare thoughts on Vigneault's new position in New York. Click past the jump to read them.

It's a Saturday and I've been travelling all day, so we'll do this in point form. First of all, I'll be curious to see what sort of term Vigneault gets on his deal. Remember, Vigneault has two years remaining on his deal with the Canucks, and that's money that he'll be forfeitting if he takes the Rangers job. Meanwhile he turned down a lucrative offer with the Stars. So yeah, expect the commitment from Dolan and the Rangers to be significant, and in the four-to-five year range. If you're struggling to understand why on Earth Vigneault would agree to let a possible replacement in Messier apprentice under him, remember, it's all about the benjamins.
During Vigneault's Canucks tenure, he was often reluctant to trust young players in big roles if they had any sort of two-way deficiencies in their game. I'm curious to see what that'll mean for Rangers roster players like Michael Del Zotto and Derrick Brassard in particular. Meanwhile I'd wager that Carl Hagelin, Brian Boyle and Derek Dorsett will quickly ingratiate themselves as Vigneault favorites. The jury is out on how Vigneault will react and deploy talented youngsters like J.T. Miller, Christian Thomas and Chris Kreider...
Vigneault's Canucks teams struggled to score early in his tenure, before morphing into offensive juggernauts for a three year stretch from 2009-10 to 2011-12. The Rangers were an anemic offensive club this past season, and were particularly awful on the power-play. Like inexcusably bad considering the talent on the roster (sound familiar?). Fixing New York's five-on-four play will be a critical challenge in Vigneault's first season with the club, and I'd expect the Rangers to bring in some sort of power-play specialist to help out. I hear Newell Brown's available.
Brian Boyle is the prototype for an "Alain Vigneault third line centre." I truly expect some Eastern Conference coaches are about to have their lunch handed to them in matchup battles next season.
It was time for the Canucks to change coaches, frankly, but if the Rangers end up with Vigneault and the Canucks end up with Tortorella - I know which club I'll consider as having "won" that particular exchange.
Rick Nash is reaching that stage in his career where he's likely to incur some diminishing returns going forward (actually it's a process that I'd argue has already begun). While Vigneault had a good deal of success prolonging the offensive peak years for the Sedin twins, I'm not sure it'll be so easy for him to do with Rick Nash. First of all, Nash is more reliant on his physical tools (his speed-size combo in particular) than the twins are. Secondly, Vigneault's "optimized zone matching" strategies are something that John Tortorella already used in New York the past couple of seasons. In some ways, I tend to think Vigneault will have fewer buttons to push in New York with Nash, then he did in Vancouver in the twins.
Vigneault spent seven years in Vancouver having his win-loss record bolstered by the second best starting goaltender in the league in Roberto Luongo. Now he'll go coach the Rangers who employ Henrik Lundqvist (the single best starting goaltender in the league). Vigneault is to National Hockey League goaltenders what Phil Jackson is to transcendant talent in the National Basketball Association. Minus the rings.
After having defended Vigneault for years as a quality coach (a position I still hold), and the right man for the job in Vancouver (a position I no longer hold), I was dismayed by his defensive deployments in the postseason. I'd argue that an Alex Edler-Kevin Bieksa pairing was a loser combination for a second pairing from the get-go. But compounding that error, in the club's first round series against San Jose, Vigneault leaned on them more heavily than he leaned on Jason Garrison and Dan Hamhuis, a pairing that was dominant over the latter half of the regular season. I'll be very curious to see if he "messes with success" when it comes to the Dan Girardi - Ryan McDonaugh pairing in New York, the way he did with the Kevin Bieksa-Dan Hamhuis twosome in Vancouver...
While Vigneault wasn't snapped up off the market quite as briskly as I'd anticipated he would be, he ultimately had options and turned down one lucrative offer from the Stars, in favour of another from the Rangers. So in a job market where only three clubs had vacancies, two of them were hot for Vigneault, and the third was the club that had just fired him. We can now see how general managers around the league graded Vigneault's performance with the Canucks, and while Vancouver's club never raised a championship banner during Vigneault tenure, it appears those in the industry admired the work Vigneault did. So did we. I'll bet he has a good deal of success in New York.
Finally, presumably Alain Vigneault will face the media when he's introduced as New York's bench boss. It'll be the first time Vigneault will have fielded questions from the media since the Canucks were swept by the Sharks almost two months ago. I hope he touts his accountability.

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Brooks has been saying a whole lot of **** since hockey stopped happening in NY. Brooks needs to eat. With all the presumed stolen lunch money he forfeits to bullies, he needs all the reads in the world.

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AV likes a 3rd line center that can get him offensive zone starts.

Is Brian Boyle good at getting offensive zone starts?

Blair Betts was tremendous at that. Good defensively and on FO's, but also great at skating the puck up ice. Manny Malhotra -- who AV loved -- is a player in the exact same mold. Since when is Brian Boyle in that mold? Like comparing Steckel to Dom Moore.

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http://canucksarmy.com/2013/6/15/som...eaults-new-job
Good read from Canucks army on Vigneaut and the Rangers.
Expect Boyle to be the 3C,

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During Vigneault's Canucks tenure, he was often reluctant to trust young players in big roles if they had any sort of two-way deficiencies in their game. I'm curious to see what that'll mean for Rangers roster players like Michael Del Zotto and Derrick Brassard in particular. Meanwhile I'd wager that Carl Hagelin, Brian Boyle and Derek Dorsett will quickly ingratiate themselves as Vigneault favorites. The jury is out on how Vigneault will react and deploy talented youngsters like J.T. Miller, Christian Thomas and Chris Kreider.
That canucksarmy place seem pretty clueless. They are more or less comparing Hodgson and Kassian with MDZ and Brassard.

MDZ and Brassard are established NHLers. MDZ's defense is not more or less than Edler's in Vancouver. People complain on MDZ' supposed brain lapses and what not, MDZ is a PMD on a team that didn't move the puck. When he got the puck people skated up ice looking away, it was not easy to try to do anything with the puck for us and at the same time, we needed just that. There is nothing wrong whatsoever with MDZ' game, he does not have elite foot speed but besides that he is as solid as you can ask a not super-solid mega star D to be. A guy in Weber in Nashville, not to mention guys like Burns in SJ and co, can be pressured. So what. If D's couldn't be pressured, we wouldn't have scored 100 goals over 82 games with Torts because we lived on pressuring D's.

I recon we will see Brassard give away the puck from time to time, but Kreider and Miller for example are players who might not be NHL ready like Hodgeson and Kassian, Brassard is definitely established. He will be a top 2 center for us.

When I read what that canucksarmy place writes its what you can expect from over entusiastic fans. They are extremely hung up on the few -- often irrelevant -- issues young fans tends to get hanged up on. If a coach plays their favorite -- extremely overrated -- kids. If a coach matches, or does not match, lines. Stuff like that...

The Power Play. If any area of the game is not coachable, it could very well be the Power Play. It is really not rocket science. Either you have the personell or you don't. I recon you can work with it and find ways, sure, but like I said, its not rocet science. I am sure its extremely easy to prove this by tracking coaches' PP stats. They would be all over the place depending on the personell they have. I've seen coaches not use the most effective set-ups on like 5 on 3 PPs, but besides that -- and especially in the NHL -- you seldom see a team set up a PP in a way that isn't in line with what the better team uses. I always gave Torts a pass for our PP. The one thing Torts deserved blame for was that our extremely destructive 5 on 5 game spilled over on the PP, when we all of a sudden tried to pass the puck to each other we just weren't comfortable. Because of that we were like 27th instead of 20th maybe. We lacked a right hand shot from the blueline and a left handed playmaker down low, hence BR was isolated and couldn't function on it. Without Richards, we didn't have the personell to have a good PP.

Look at Vancouver, they went from three concecutive top 5 PPs to being 24th when they lost their right handed shot (Salo/Samuelsson/Kesler among others).

It is relevant to describe that Alain Vignault employs more or less 2 units to get the puck up ice, and then 2 units to take advantage of those zone starts. I do hope he will lessen a little on that approch in NY, you can be more black and white with it if you have the Sedins or another super top line like that. I would like to see us balance our team more like Boston or Chicago, with more offense hidden away on the depth lines.

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I am not sold at all on Brian Boyle being an AV type of player. Can AV get Boyle in a position to on a shift by shift basis get the puck up ice and get offensive zone draws??? That has not been a strength at all of Boyle here in NY, if anything he is good cutting down on damage done while spending time in our end. Not getting the puck up ice which is a weakness of him. I can't rule out that AV manage to put Boyle in another role and that Boyle in that role starts getting the puck up ice on a regular basis, I've only seen Boyle under Torts, but I am not sold on it...

If you want 2 lines that will spend time in the attacking zone and 2 lines that are good at getting the puck up ice, what line does Carl Hagelin play on?

This is the reason AV is blamed for not playing "kids". He has very defined roles, and -- certain -- kids does not give him what he wants in those roles. We should remember that we can't bank on AV being as strict in NY as he was in VAN. His approch of having lines that got the puck up ice to the benefit of his extreme scoring line with the Sedins isn't per automatic translated to NY. We do not have a Sedin's line. But if he wants to try this approch in NY, I do not think that a Zuccarello is a good fit for a line that is supposed to get the puck up ice, just like I am sure that a young Hodgeson wasn't a fit on a line that he wanted to get the puck up ice. So for a player like Zuccarello, or Hodgeson in VAN, they would challenge for fewer positions than on a team that rolled more or less three lines that 5 on 5 had simular dutys. Both are good fits under his style, but only on the top 2 lines and not on the bottom 2 lines (if he applies the same strategy as in Vancouver).

Where in that equation does Carl Hagelin fits in? Carl Hagelin is a grey hound on ice. He is great at bring his team closer to the puck when they do not have it. That's really his strength. On the forecheck, instead of getting behind on a forecheck Hagelin manage to put so much pressure on the guy fetching the puck that the first pass is atleast affected and when the 2nd and 3rd guy jumps in, they just gets more to work with. Hagelin is getting better and better maybe, but he is not that great on the circle or at distributing the puck.

I think Hagelin under AV is hard to pin down. He might function on a unit with Step and Callahan, but how well would he work on a unit that is intended to set up shop? Callahan would of course work under any coach, but its noteworthy that on a "set up shop" unit, he would function more in a Burrows type of role. Under Torts, Cally was essential in the transition game and in our attack. Under AV with that 2+2 unit set-up, he might get a little diffrent role...

Clowe is of course a good fit on a line that gets alot of O-zone starts and that are supposed to stay there. Needless to say.

McD, Girardi, Staal, Strålman and MDZ are all five good at making a first pass and defending. The only downside with our blueline is that they haven't made that first pass in 3 years. AV needs to be given time there.

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Brown knew things weren't right when he had too many left shots.

“You have to look at the pieces of the puzzle that are necessary and we had great chemistry that first year,” he explained. “Everything gelled. This year, we were forced through injury and whatnot and changes in personnel to try and build a new group.

“When you're trying to run a power play with five left shots, which we were forced to do a lot this year, you're really swimming upstream. Seventy-seven per cent of the power-play goals are scored with at least two right shots, so that tells you a lot right there. Not to say there are exceptions to the rule, but when you have five left shots, or even four, your chances of scoring are diminished.

“Teams are so fast to get into the shot lanes these days,” Brown continued, “that if you can't take one-timers, if you aren't in position to take one-touch passes and move the puck quickly to shooters and shoot off the pass, you're at a big disadvantage. That was something we were dealing with this year.”
AV will not be pleased to play another season without a right handed power play QB. The PP was not all Torts fault, we miss a player here.

Have's and have nots
I think a AV lineup (if he keeps the strategy he had in Vancouver), would be formated something like this (Alt 1 if BR is bought out, Alt 2 if he is not bought out):

Alt 1.
Unit 1
Clowe-Stepan-Nash//The line only get O-zone starts. They take the FO in the attacking zone, and go after the puck and tries to circle it.
McD-Girardi

Unit 2.
Kreider-Brassard-Zucc//Brassard and Zucc plays a good puck-possesion game together. Decent not-go-to second line. AV's second line has not had a massive role 5 on 5 in Vancouver. Kesler had a big role, but he played both PP and PK.
MDZ-Moore

Unit 3.
Hagelin-Lindberg-Callahan//Would be the line that takes every important defensive zone draws. Especially in the 3rd period. Just get the puck out of our end and into the attacking zone. Get a FO there.
Staal-Strålman

Unit 4.
Asham/Pyatt-Boyle-Dorsett//Same as unit 3. I don't think AV would mind a strong a little stronger skaters on this unit.

Alt 2

Unit 1
Clowe-Richards-Nash
McD-Girardi

Unit 2.
Kreider-Brassard-Zucc//Is the second a little bit more offensive minded unit, but would be the 3rd line in terms of ice time.
MDZ-Moore

Unit 3.
Hagelin-Stepan-Callahan//As above, get the puck up ice and get FO's there.
Staal-Strålman

Unit 4.
Asham/Pyatt-Boyle-Dorsett

Analysis
Both alt's are built on us retaining Clowe. Without him, or even with him, we are still a little short on puck protection ability. Zucc and Brass aren't overly strong on the puck. Neither is Stepan. We are not a top heavy team in that sense.

I recon Boyle could function on a line with Hagelin and Callahan, but he is not Malhotra II. Lindberg is probably not ready for the role he is in alt 1...

Our PP would have the same flaws it has had for a while now.


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Good stuff Ola. People have been passing the Canucks army article around like a bible on doomsday. There are a few criticisms that have been made on Torts that I disagree with and the same criticisms are being made on AV which made me suspicious of how accurate anyone is. Lots of canucks fans have been pleasant enough to drop by to offer their take on the matters but imagine for a second what kind of information on Tortorella they would get if the same demography that likes to go to different boards dropped by their board. Everything is much more subtle when the stuff on the paper translate over to coaching behind the bench and at the end of the day, more than half of all traits in coaches are largely identical and it's just a combination of flaws and strengths. Besides, a coach can look entirely different on a different team just as a player can be entirely different on a different team or even a different line.

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I read that Cancucks Army blog on Saturday. You can tell that person is not very familiar with the Rangers personnel.

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In Vancouver, with Bowness as his top assistant, Vigneault installed a defense-first foundation to a team that had lacked discipline, won the 2007 Jack Adams Award and, as the Canucks added more offensive talent, simultaneously afforded twins Henrik and Daniel Sedin and the growing stable of talent significant freedom to operate.

Striking that balance led to six Northwest Division titles and two Presidents’ trophies, and though he was fired following this season after two consecutive first-round playoff exits, Vigneault’s offensive success surely must resonate with Blueshirts forwards.

“You’ve got to let your players play, you’ve got to let them run, and at the same time you can command commitment to team defense, which we were able to do and then went to the Finals,” Bowness said.

“We never lost our focus on team ‘D’, but we certainly loosened the reins up and let them run a little bit as time went on.”
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/ho...#ixzz2WSuCqpaD

The Rangers already have a defensive foundation. They can defend. Vigneault will make some tweaks but the foundation is there. He needs to loosen the reins

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Can we please change the thread title. They havent officially hired him yet.

We will wind up jinxing this and something devastating will happen.

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Can we please change the thread title. They havent officially hired him yet.

We will wind up jinxing this and something devastating will happen.
Messier is getting a second chance interview today, they gave him the "right answer" sheet to take home and study over the weekend. ..

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I can see it now. AV's contract negotiations fall through and Messier gets hired instead .

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I can see it now. AV's contract negotiations fall through and Messier gets hired instead .
Or AV's contract negotiations fall through and Ruff gets hired instead!


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or av's contract negotiations fall through and ruff gets hired instead!

please no. No ruff.

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Eh, was out of town and just saw this news today. I have no strong feelings on this either way. AV was the entirely predictable choice, assuming Sather didn't go the Messier route. I have no big problems with AV, but am not convinced he will be an upgrade over Torts. And am still not thrilled with the timing on firing Torts or the choice to do so considering the options that were available/likely. Lateral move at best. Can only wait and see what happens.

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This I like. A lot.
You won't when our dmen make a fail read, join the rush or pinch at a poor time, and end up giving up a **** ton more odd man rushes the other way than you've seen in the past few seasons.


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Kesler was injured the majority of the year; he's a huge part of their PP.
So what you're saying is that personnel matters, and that even a good coach can't work miracles without the right pieces? Novel concept.

But I guess AV gets a pass, and other already forgotten coaches don't.


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Got rid of Torts AND got the best coach available. Also no Messier. Good start to the offseason for ol' Glenny. Now just avoid the FA market, trade DZ for a young forward, and we're ready to go for next season.
And then who is your 6th d? And what happens if/when just one of the top 4 dmen gets injured? This team doesn't have nearly the NHL-ready depth on d that it seems like people think it does.

Unless Sather is seeking an upgrade for a big shot from the point or a real PP QB, he shouldn't mess with the defense imo. It is perhaps the only part of this roster (beyond goalie) where the personnel aren't significantly lacking and you don't have guys playing above where they should in the lineup.

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I would've rather kept Torts and just had someone else running the powerplay. Even if it was Newell Brown.

And the people who actually would make a coaching change based AT ALL on how he deals with the media are lost. Just focused on the wrong things.

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From today's 30 Thoughts with lots of Rangers/Vigneault stuff...

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17. Another former head coach who may have decisions to make is Glen Gulutzan. He is considered a strong candidate for Toronto's AHL job, but some NHL teams are looking at him as an assistant. I wouldn't be surprised if Vigneault considers him.
http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/opin...nhl-draft.html

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So what you're saying is that personnel matters, and that even a good coach can't work miracles without the right pieces? Novel concept.



Callahan is a great PP player in front of the net, like Kesler.

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I would've rather kept Torts and just had someone else running the powerplay. Even if it was Newell Brown.

And the people who actually would make a coaching change based AT ALL on how he deals with the media are lost. Just focused on the wrong things.
But that wasn't going to happen. Torts was not going to allow another person into his circle. He is stubborn and egotistical. He was not going to hire a PP coach. I liked what Torts was able to do during his time here, but it was time to go.

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I would've rather kept Torts and just had someone else running the powerplay. Even if it was Newell Brown.

And the people who actually would make a coaching change based AT ALL on how he deals with the media are lost. Just focused on the wrong things.
Except he got canned because the players got stuck of him, not how he handled the media. Keeping him was not an option. Probably didn't deserve to get fired based on results.

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Except he got canned because the players got stuck of him, not how he handled the media. Keeping him was not an option. Probably didn't deserve to get fired based on results.
Yes, although I do wonder if Sather was more predisposed to listen to the players because of some of the things that went on with the media. Especially the Sam Rosen incident.

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Yes, although I do wonder if Sather was more predisposed to listen to the players because of some of the things that went on with the media. Especially the Sam Rosen incident.
Any one care to explain?

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