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06-16-2013, 09:41 PM
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If Laughton is going to be on the fourth line I would rather sign Raymond like someone mentioned earlier for 2.5 per and sign Gagne for 2.5 mil for one year and roll with

Hartnell-Giroux-Voracek
Raymond-Schenn-Simmonds
Gagne-Couts-Read
Talbot-Laughton-Rinaldo

I really just do not want to sign a bunch of over the hill guys or players looking for big money and long term

I also think Gagne and Hartnell positions are extremely switchable due to Hartnells performance this year and the fact Giroux has turned into more of a playmaker.

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06-16-2013, 09:56 PM
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I also think Gagne and Hartnell positions are extremely switchable due to Hartnells performance this year and the fact Giroux has turned into more of a playmaker.
The offense i truly want would look like this. I really want Couts to be the 2nd line center and Laughton on the third line

Schenn-Giroux-Simmonds
Hartnell-Couts-Voracek
Raymond-Laughton-Read
Talbot-Hall-Rinaldo

the only other thing I would want to do would be to trade Read + 2014 First + for Ryan have

Schenn-Giroux-Ryan
Harntell-Couts-Voracek
Raymond-Laugton-Simmonds
Talbot-Hall-Rinaldo

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06-16-2013, 10:19 PM
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Isn't he doing terrible on the Pens?
He wasn't really used well from what I gather. He did pretty well in the regular season, and even in the playoffs too up until the Bruins series. He's still a player most teams will want, and while I believe he'll retire a Flame, he likely has 4-7 more years left to play, so I'd feel comfortable offering him 3 years.

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I also think Gagne and Hartnell positions are extremely switchable due to Hartnells performance this year and the fact Giroux has turned into more of a playmaker.
Much of Hartnell's performance can be chalked up to his broken leg. I really don't think Gagne should be on the top line anymore, unless he somehow recaptures his form. The only guys who should bump Hartnell from line 1 are Simmonds and Schenn if he figures wing out, unless we get someone like Jagr, Iginla, or Wheeler.

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06-16-2013, 10:42 PM
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If Laughton is going to be on the fourth line I would rather sign Raymond like someone mentioned earlier for 2.5 per and sign Gagne for 2.5 mil for one year and roll with

Hartnell-Giroux-Voracek
Raymond-Schenn-Simmonds
Gagne-Couts-Read
Talbot-Laughton-Rinaldo

I really just do not want to sign a bunch of over the hill guys or players looking for big money and long term
This is my thinking to. Whether it's Raymond, Clarkson, Stalberg, or someone else, the opening is LW to Schenn at 2C - which is what it should have been instead of Briere lining up a C.

Hartnell-Giroux-Voracek
XXXXXXXX-Schenn-Simmonds
Gagne-Couts-Read
Talbot-Laughton-Rinaldo


XXXXXX could be a number players, either UFAs or even our own prospects.

Read did well at 2LW and so did Gagne.

You are looking for either a 2LW or 3RW

Could McGinn, Noebels, Akeson or Cousins surprise? Or will Brad Richards, Raymond, etc get signed?

I'm torn. I think a really skilled, fast sniper could get loads of chances playing with Schenn and Simmonds. But Hartnell also looked great with them. Should we move him down and find an LW named Jagr to play with G and V?

Homer, have a good next month please, everything is riding on it.

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06-16-2013, 11:36 PM
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Dont know if its a sure thing Gagne is back

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06-16-2013, 11:43 PM
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Dont know if its a sure thing Gagne is back
True, but if we trade a forward like Read for a goalie, we'll need to add a couple guys and that increases the chances of Gagne coming back. I actually thought he looked really good as the defensive conscience for Giroux and Voracek, plus he can keep up with them on rushes

I'm not against bringing him back, but I'm not convinced of it either.

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06-16-2013, 11:45 PM
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I don't think we can replace briere. We need the cap space to get our guys signed to long term deals.

There are (2) players on the Hawks I am really liking:

Viktor Stalberg
Bryan Bickell

I think one of them might be a good option to add some depth and promote a few guys instead of breaking the bank on free agents.

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06-17-2013, 12:31 AM
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I think the Flyers will replace Briere's spot with more size even if it means less scoring. I wouldn't mind the Flyers taking a conservative approach resigning Gagne and giving McGinn along look. If he fails then trade a 2nd at the deadline for a PF if they have a legit shot at a long playoff run.

Read - Giroux - Simmonds
Hartnell - Schenn - Voracek
Gagne - Coots - McGinn/Talbot
Talbot/McGinn - Laughlin- Rinaldo
Rosewood

I think Read and Simmonds can open some space for Giroux with their speed and Read has shown he can finish.

If Schenn is going to stay at center he needs someone that can carry the puck on his line. Hartnell and Schenn can both finish from the slot as well as clean up the junk goals,

Coots is still young and can exercise his offensive skills with decent line mates without the pressure of being a 2nd line center.

Possibly, a minor move like picking up Malone. He seems like a possible amnesty candidate in TB.

Read - Giroux- Simmonds
Hartnell - Schenn - Voracek
Gagne - Coots - Malone

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06-17-2013, 01:19 AM
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IDK if there's an offseason preview/moves thread, but this is the current hot topic, so what do you think about this?

FORWARDS
Blake Wheeler ($4.000m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)
Scott Hartnell ($4.750m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Wayne Simmonds ($3.975m)
Simon Gagne ($2.250m) / Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Scott Laughton ($1.107m)
Maxime Talbot ($1.750m) / Matthew Lombardi ($1.000m) / Zac Rinaldo ($0.750m)
DEFENSEMEN
Mark Streit ($4.000m) / Braydon Coburn ($4.500m)
Kimmo Timonen ($6.000m) / Luke Schenn ($3.600m)
Nicklas Grossmann ($3.500m) / Erik Gustafsson ($1.100m)
David Rundblad ($2.000m) / Chris Pronger ($4.941m)
GOALTENDERS
Jonathan Bernier ($2.000m)
Steve Mason ($1.500m)
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(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $65,308,095; BONUSES: $2,800,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $1,791,905

Rundblad will have to be "sent down" on paper for game 1 until we bump Pronger's contract to LTIR because it's slightly over the cap, but within the offseason cap.

Wheeler and Rundblad are RFAs. Wheeler will be tough to acquire, but WPG has a lot of guys needing to be re-signed this offseason. I feel like he can be a great replacement for Briere, and he's only 26. Rundblad is supposedly prepared to flea to the KHL, so the Flyers should just snatch him up.

Roster is proposed with Read traded for Bernier, and Meszaros traded for anything (picks)

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06-17-2013, 01:32 AM
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Playing Laughton on the 4th line would be retarded

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Playing Laughton on the 4th line would be retarded
Why would that be "retarded"? He has to start out somewhere and with the possibilites of injuries, trades, and him playing well there will be opportunities to increase his ice time.

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Playing Laughton on the 4th line would be retarded
huh?

it seemed to work well for Coots.

playing on a crash line with Rinaldo and Talbot/McGinn/Rosewood would allow him to play a simple game while he gets his feet under him.

McGinn - Laughton - Rinaldo reminds me of a younger Carcillo - Betts - Asham.

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huh?

it seemed to work well for Coots.

playing on a crash line with Rinaldo and Talbot/McGinn/Rosewood would allow him to play a simple game while he gets his feet under him.

McGinn - Laughton - Rinaldo reminds me of a younger Carcillo - Betts - Asham.
One of coots or Schenn wont be here next year

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Thanks for the update, Paul.

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Why would that be "retarded"? He has to start out somewhere and with the possibilites of injuries, trades, and him playing well there will be opportunities to increase his ice time.
He should either be 3C or go back to juniors IMO

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He should either be 3C or go back to juniors IMO
I don't know about the 3C, but Juniors IMO won't do him any good at his point. He needs to be on the NHL roster, he needs to be logging minutes and getting his feet wet. I think throwing too much responsibility at him would be in poor taste. I'd rather see him grow as a player, where anything he gives us on the 4th would be an upgrade over whats there now.

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He should either be 3C or go back to juniors IMO
I disagree

for the most part, our ES lines are rolled with Lavy. You give Laughton the 4th line centerspot and PK time at the start and you go from there. He should be fine. That's what he was getting at the start of this season and he was getting between 9 and 15 minutes a night

Worked with Couturier

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Why are some people considering putting Couturier on the wing? That makes zero sense.

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Why are some people considering putting Couturier on the wing? That makes zero sense.
You mean Schenn?

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This lineup likely isn't going to happen, because Brunner will most likely be resigned by Detroit, but...

Buyouts:
Bryz
Briere

Trade:
Matt Read for Johnathan Bernier

Sign:
Dany Heatley: 3 years 3 million per
Damien Brunner: 5 years 4.5 million per


Heatley-Giroux-Voracek
Hartnell-Schenn-Simmonds
Gagne-Couturier-Brunner
Rinaldo-Laughton-Talbot
Rosehill

Timonen-Coburn
Streit-Schenn
Gustafsson-Grossmann
Gervais

Bernier/Mason
Mason/Bernier

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Is Heatley even healthy enough to get bought out?

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I wouldnt want Heatley

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I disagree

for the most part, our ES lines are rolled with Lavy. You give Laughton the 4th line centerspot and PK time at the start and you go from there. He should be fine. That's what he was getting at the start of this season and he was getting between 9 and 15 minutes a night

Worked with Couturier
This is open to debate. Did it REALLY work with Coots? Everyone complains about his lack of offense. Part of it is role, part of it is because he was rushed.

Might he not have developed his offensive game even more in the Q, given one more year? Worked wonders for Huberdeau...

I'm not convinced Laughton NEEDS to play in the NHL this year. Another year in Jr as 1C (instead of 2C behing Jenner), a trip to the WJC as team leader, a playoff run, etc. might turn him from a two way checker to a scorer with more chance to blossom offensively.

Not saying he can't or won't play for the Flyers, but if you are developing offensive players for the future, playing 4th line minutes and doing PK work in the NHL might not be the only school possible.

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Couturier was fine in his time in the AHL and just ran into the sophmore slump when he came back to the Flyers.

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I feel that guys like Jagr, Iginla, and Heatley are out of the question. Just my opinion.


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IDK if there's an offseason preview/moves thread, but this is the current hot topic, so what do you think about this?

FORWARDS
Blake Wheeler ($4.000m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)
Scott Hartnell ($4.750m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Wayne Simmonds ($3.975m)
Simon Gagne ($2.250m) / Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Scott Laughton ($1.107m)
Maxime Talbot ($1.750m) / Matthew Lombardi ($1.000m) / Zac Rinaldo ($0.750m)
DEFENSEMEN
Mark Streit ($4.000m) / Braydon Coburn ($4.500m)
Kimmo Timonen ($6.000m) / Luke Schenn ($3.600m)
Nicklas Grossmann ($3.500m) / Erik Gustafsson ($1.100m)
David Rundblad ($2.000m) / Chris Pronger ($4.941m)
GOALTENDERS
Jonathan Bernier ($2.000m)
Steve Mason ($1.500m)
-----
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $65,308,095; BONUSES: $2,800,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $1,791,905

Rundblad will have to be "sent down" on paper for game 1 until we bump Pronger's contract to LTIR because it's slightly over the cap, but within the offseason cap.

Wheeler and Rundblad are RFAs. Wheeler will be tough to acquire, but WPG has a lot of guys needing to be re-signed this offseason. I feel like he can be a great replacement for Briere, and he's only 26. Rundblad is supposedly prepared to flea to the KHL, so the Flyers should just snatch him up.

Roster is proposed with Read traded for Bernier, and Meszaros traded for anything (picks)
I would love to have Wheeler. Big body and he's got good hands.

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