HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Eastern Conference > Atlantic Division > Toronto Maple Leafs
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Notices

Phaneuf 11th in Norris voting

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old
06-17-2013, 07:20 AM
  #26
egd27
#freethebigpicture
 
egd27's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Toronto
Posts: 3,738
vCash: 500
Just another stat....I watch the games.

egd27 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-17-2013, 07:55 AM
  #27
blue82
BELEAF (win or lose)
 
blue82's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Leaf Nation
Posts: 2,002
vCash: 500
this should shut some people up for about...2 weeks

blue82 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-17-2013, 07:59 AM
  #28
ACC1224
Steelers 1 - 1
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Posts: 28,267
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Apologist View Post
Seems I lost my Avatar bet (I said he'd be top ten) but hey, not bad for a guy who's not even a number one d.

Those ahead:
Subban, Suter, Letang, beauchemin, Chara, Keith, OEL, weber, doughty, kronwall.
Can you really put any stock into a list that has Subban as #1?

ACC1224 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-17-2013, 08:21 AM
  #29
ULF_55
Global Moderator
 
ULF_55's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Mountain Standard Ti
Posts: 55,747
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by ACC1224 View Post
Can you really put any stock into a list that has Subban as #1?
What you want to see are the names that are always there.

There are probably a top tier, the same players always in consideration, a secondary tier, players who make the list year after year, but never contend for the award, and then the career year defenders.

Pretty obvious when you have Chara, Weber, Suter, Lidstrom, Pronger type of players and then players like Mike Green.

Is Yandle a top 5 defender? Perhaps for 1 year he was.

__________________
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bA3LN_8hjM8.

Vaive and Ludzik on collapse, and Phaneuf.
ULF_55 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-17-2013, 08:23 AM
  #30
johnny_rudeboy
Registered User
 
johnny_rudeboy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Karlstad
Country: Sweden
Posts: 11,004
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by ACC1224 View Post
Can you really put any stock into a list that has Subban as #1?
Subban is far from my favourite player, I think he is overrated. But this season he deserved his award since he have been really good. But then Chara and Weber had a down year, Karlsson was out injured for most of the season and for some reason Suter did not get enough votes. I think this will be PK´s only Norris.

johnny_rudeboy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-17-2013, 08:28 AM
  #31
mydnyte
Registered User
 
mydnyte's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Country: Italy
Posts: 10,324
vCash: 500
I would love the Norris to go to the best Defense man, not the best offensive defense man.

they need a 2nd trophy, the Orr trophy for best offensive d-man, and leave Norris for d-men that can actually defend (though Chara would be a lock till he retires)

mydnyte is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-17-2013, 08:29 AM
  #32
Porn*
Registered User
 
Porn*'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: In your nightmares
Country: Israel
Posts: 33,899
vCash: 500
Send a message via MSN to Porn*
Quote:
Originally Posted by johnny_rudeboy View Post
Subban is far from my favourite player, I think he is overrated. But this season he deserved his award since he have been really good. But then Chara and Weber had a down year, Karlsson was out injured for most of the season and for some reason Suter did not get enough votes. I think this will be PK´s only Norris.
agreed. I actually thought suter deserved the Norris.

Porn* is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
06-17-2013, 08:30 AM
  #33
johnny_rudeboy
Registered User
 
johnny_rudeboy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Karlstad
Country: Sweden
Posts: 11,004
vCash: 500
And yes, it is fun to see Dion getting Norris votes since he deserves them. 11th among d-man is not bad at all. Still a lot of things he needs to improve but he have just started peaking as an overall d-man. The crash and bang style he got famous for could not last and it is nice to see he turning in to a solid 2-way d-man the coach and his team mates can rely on in every situation. That is what you pay top dollars for not the getting out of position to hammer some one and cause the other team to score.

johnny_rudeboy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-17-2013, 08:50 AM
  #34
ULF_55
Global Moderator
 
ULF_55's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Mountain Standard Ti
Posts: 55,747
vCash: 500
Letang is solidly a top 10 defenseman, and he's coming up UFA after 2014 season.

If a top 20 player (Phaneuf) is worth 6-7 million per season, Letang will likely be looking for 7.5-8.5 per season.

Penguins got some work to do, with Malkin, Neal and Crosby already taking 23 million of their cap.

ULF_55 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-17-2013, 09:18 AM
  #35
rogie
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 188
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by ACC1224 View Post
Can you really put any stock into a list that has Subban as #1?
As much as I would put in a list that has Phaneuf at number 10 or so!

rogie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-17-2013, 09:20 AM
  #36
81Leafs50
Registered User
 
81Leafs50's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Toronto
Country: Canada
Posts: 917
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Apologist View Post
There are a few of those here. Still hear 'trade Phaneuf' more often than not.
Like the previous person said, there are dumb people everywhere.

In the last 2 seasons Dion Phaneuf has scored 21 goals, tied for 4th in the NHL.

Considering the amount of PP and PK minutes he accumulates and who he goes up against on a nightly basis it is absurd to think Phaneuf isn't a #1 d-man.

81Leafs50 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-17-2013, 09:27 AM
  #37
GordieHoweHatTrick
Registered User
 
GordieHoweHatTrick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Toronto
Posts: 12,881
vCash: 500
Its about the best he's ever going to be because he's never going to usurp the guys in front of him on that list. Meanwhile, the younger guys behind him will begin catching up. Enjoy it while you can.

GordieHoweHatTrick is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-17-2013, 09:34 AM
  #38
thinkinfeller
Registered User
 
thinkinfeller's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 1,071
vCash: 500
There are an awfull lot of tail feathers on display in this thread, I'm not sure why. Voting on individual awards of achievement for regular season play does not and should not mitigate Dion's piss poor playoff performance.

Phaneuf is a selfish player with very low hockey I.Q. Any defenceman on his teams 1st powerplay unit will eventually recieve consideration for the Norris - there's nothing to see here, and any suggestion that Phaneuf will be considered for Team Canada at the Sochi games is ridiculous.

For clarity, I'm a big fan of this team and the players on it's roster. I think Leafs fans have a lot to look forward to, but I sincerely hope that Phaneuf is not a permanent fixture on our budding blueline.

thinkinfeller is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-17-2013, 09:46 AM
  #39
Sundinisagod
Weed
 
Sundinisagod's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Zagreb
Country: Croatia
Posts: 7,540
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheLeastOfTheBunch View Post
He had a great regular season. Looked a bit off in the playoffs.

Get him a legit #2. Was hard seeing him alongside plugs like Holzer, Kostka, etc.

This x 1000

Sundinisagod is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
06-17-2013, 10:03 AM
  #40
Parkdale
Registered User
 
Parkdale's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Toronto
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,087
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by thinkinfeller View Post
There are an awfull lot of tail feathers on display in this thread, I'm not sure why. Voting on individual awards of achievement for regular season play does not and should not mitigate Dion's piss poor playoff performance.

Phaneuf is a selfish player with very low hockey I.Q. Any defenceman on his teams 1st powerplay unit will eventually recieve consideration for the Norris - there's nothing to see here, and any suggestion that Phaneuf will be considered for Team Canada at the Sochi games is ridiculous.

For clarity, I'm a big fan of this team and the players on it's roster. I think Leafs fans have a lot to look forward to, but I sincerely hope that Phaneuf is not a permanent fixture on our budding blueline.
Finally a post I can agree with!

Parkdale is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
06-17-2013, 10:04 AM
  #41
GrabsOverHabs
Registered User
 
GrabsOverHabs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 176
vCash: 500
Phaneuf does some things well and he does some things poorly. Not surprised he was 11th on the Norris list but I also feel he deserves some of the criticism he has received.

GrabsOverHabs is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-17-2013, 10:39 AM
  #42
The Iceman
Registered User
 
The Iceman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 1,252
vCash: 500
So did we still win the Beauchemin trade.....yeah I guess so

The Iceman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-17-2013, 10:44 AM
  #43
Mess
Global Moderator
 
Mess's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Country: Canada
Posts: 59,990
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Phion Keneuf View Post
Overpaid pylon. 6.5 mil for 11th best Dman?

Trade this knuckle headed caveman.
8th highest cap among NHL dmen, 9th overall in Dman scoring a 11th ranked in Norris voting as best dman.

Those figures equate well in bang for your cap buck analysis, and what you would hope for by the financial commitment made in a player.

Phaneuf is entering the last year of his contract, and this will help him in future contract negotiations as his value in Norris voting a bargaining chip to validate his status among his peers at the position.

__________________
Signature: There is no greater demonstration of Fan patience then to suggest to "Play the Kids " and be willing to accept the consequences of those actions..
Mess is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-17-2013, 11:05 AM
  #44
EscapeGoat
We The North
 
EscapeGoat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: The Hockey Mecca
Country: Canada
Posts: 3,092
vCash: 500
Sounds about right. He's a great defenceman that faces tough competition and with terrible defensive partners.

EscapeGoat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-17-2013, 11:19 AM
  #45
Al14
Registered User
 
Al14's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Nepean
Country: Canada
Posts: 8,613
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by LMFAO View Post
gotta be a total dumbass to say Phaneuf isnt a number one D
I just may be a Dumbass.

Phaneuf is NOT a true #1 AAA defenseman IMHO.

He's not that great in the D zone. He doesn't clear the front of the net like a true #1 D should be able to. He chases the puck carrier, usually from behind, swiping at the puck far too much. He stands around watching far too much as well. He seems to have problems clearing the puck out of the D zone as well. For these reasons, I really don't like him as a true #1 D.

He's a highly-touted offensive defenseman and he's pretty darn good offensively, but, that alone does NOT make him a #1 D. A more accurate shot from the point would elevate his scoring stats immensely.

He's a feared open ice hitter, but, sometimes he chases a hit and that takes him out of position defensively.

The more minutes he plays, the worse he seems to get. Yes, other players make mistakes too when their TOI is too high, but, it seems to be magnified with Phaneuf.

He's a decent skater, but not a great skater. If he had more speed, the bone headed pinches at the O-zone blue line and his forays to attempt an open ice hit, would not be as much of a problem.

He's also overpaid at 6.5. And, that surely DOES NOT make him a #1 D either.

The Norris trophy is no longer awarded to the D that is the best at defending! It appears to be an award for a D that contributes the best scoring from the D position.

I'd like to see him paid somewhere between 4.5 and 5.5 million tops. He would also be great if he were paired with a true #1 A D or was used as a #2 A D.

This is my opinion and if that makes me a Dumbass then, so be it!!!

Al14 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-17-2013, 11:27 AM
  #46
DirtyDion03
**** Brooklyn
 
DirtyDion03's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Country: Canada
Posts: 20,251
vCash: 166
Quote:
Originally Posted by Al14 View Post
I just may be a Dumbass.

Phaneuf is NOT a true #1 AAA defenseman IMHO.

He's not that great in the D zone. He doesn't clear the front of the net like a true #1 D should be able to. He chases the puck carrier, usually from behind, swiping at the puck far too much. He stands around watching far too much as well. He seems to have problems clearing the puck out of the D zone as well. For these reasons, I really don't like him as a true #1 D.

He's a highly-touted offensive defenseman and he's pretty darn good offensively, but, that alone does NOT make him a #1 D. A more accurate shot from the point would elevate his scoring stats immensely.

He's a feared open ice hitter, but, sometimes he chases a hit and that takes him out of position defensively.

The more minutes he plays, the worse he seems to get. Yes, other players make mistakes too when their TOI is too high, but, it seems to be magnified with Phaneuf.

He's a decent skater, but not a great skater. If he had more speed, the bone headed pinches at the O-zone blue line and his forays to attempt an open ice hit, would not be as much of a problem.

He's also overpaid at 6.5. And, that surely DOES NOT make him a #1 D either.

The Norris trophy is no longer awarded to the D that is the best at defending! It appears to be an award for a D that contributes the best scoring from the D position.

I'd like to see him paid somewhere between 4.5 and 5.5 million tops. He would also be great if he were paired with a true #1 A D or was used as a #2 A D.

This is my opinion and if that makes me a Dumbass then, so be it!!!
Shows you have no idea what you're talking about. Dion has one of the best shooting percentages for defensemen.. And how can he chase all the time but watch the play all the time too?

__________________
http://i57.tinypic.com/28b4abo.jpg
DirtyDion03 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-17-2013, 11:33 AM
  #47
Al14
Registered User
 
Al14's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Nepean
Country: Canada
Posts: 8,613
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by mydnyte View Post
I would love the Norris to go to the best Defense man, not the best offensive defense man.

they need a 2nd trophy, the Orr trophy for best offensive d-man, and leave Norris for d-men that can actually defend (though Chara would be a lock till he retires)
Good idea!!!

The Orr Trophy, awarded to the best offensive defenseman overall each season.

The Norris Trophy, awarded to the best defensive defenseman overall each season.

Al14 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-17-2013, 11:34 AM
  #48
Grant
LL Genius
 
Grant's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: London
Country: Canada
Posts: 12,790
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by DirtyDion03 View Post
Shows you have no idea what you're talking about. Dion has one of the best shooting percentages for defensemen.. And how can he chase all the time but watch the play all the time too?
7th best shooting percentage among the defensemen with 5+ goals and one of those with a better percentage is Brent Burns.

Grant is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-17-2013, 11:39 AM
  #49
SmoggyTwinkles
Registered User
 
SmoggyTwinkles's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 813
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Iceman View Post
So did we still win the Beauchemin trade.....yeah I guess so
Haha. We just made the playoffs for the first time in almost a decade, and with a fairly young core at that.

Would you rather have a young Gardiner and Lupul or a 33 year old workhorse D man at this point in the Leafs "re-tool"?

Happy for Beauchemin though, I liked him when he was here quite a bit. I think he'd have done well under Carlyle's system, hey he's only got 2 more years maybe he'll be a fit here in a couple more when we're hopefully making deep runs in the playoffs

SmoggyTwinkles is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-17-2013, 11:40 AM
  #50
LeafOfBread
van Dreamsdyk
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Mississauga, ON
Country: Canada
Posts: 13,119
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Guy Boucher View Post
Beauch was good in Toronto too. Toronto fans are just merciless on their defenseman though.
I liked him, but Wilson misused him. Had Beauchemin still been here when Carlyle came along, Phaneuf-Beauch would easily be one of the best pairings in the NHL. Beauchemin was great under Carlyle, I even remember a quote from Carlyle where he said that after Beauchemin came back to Anaheim he was kind of struggling at the beginning and Carlyle asked "What's wrong Frankie?", Beauchemin didn't know how to answer, and it took a little while before he adjusted back to his old self.

Anyway, I laugh at people that want to get rid of Phaneuf, he's great, and imo should be ahead of Kronwall on that list too.

LeafOfBread is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:50 AM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. ©2014 All Rights Reserved.