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Carolina "some players who were previously untouchable may no longer be untouchable"

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06-17-2013, 11:48 AM
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If our GM is counting on a #5 pick, 18YO who has never stepped on the NHL ice to make a guy who has proven he can score 30 in the NHL "available", then he has been reading these boards too much.

Plus, I will be quite surprised if Rutherford even picked Nichushkin over guys like Monahan or Lindholm.
I was just throwing it out there. As an outside fan, I don't really see the need to deal Skinner now - if he's even on the market.

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06-17-2013, 11:50 AM
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If our GM is counting on a #5 pick, 18YO who has never stepped on the NHL ice to make a guy who has proven he can score 30 in the NHL "available", then he has been reading these boards too much.

Plus, I will be quite surprised if Rutherford even picked Nichushkin over guys like Monahan or Lindholm.
I fully expect Carolina to draft Nurse whether they keep their pick or trade down to do it.

If Gleason is available Detroit could really use to him offer some stability on the blueline what do you think Carolina would want for Gleason?

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I'd love Ward to TOR or WPG. Hell, would love Skinner too.

Maybe Buff for Skinner +?

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Kesler for Skinner Faulk and a 1st?
You have to be kidding me. I don't think Carolina would move even one of those assets for Kesler.

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06-17-2013, 11:52 AM
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Skinner + 5th overall....... (+)???

For

Spezza.... (+)?

Not a fan of either team but Ottawa gets even younger!!

This may be so far off that ill add a

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06-17-2013, 11:53 AM
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Skinner is the only guy who makes sense.
I wouldn't say only guy. We have no idea who Rutherford thought was untouchable. For instance, other guys that even though I wouldn't call them untouchable, Rutherford might have considered them as very unlikely to trade:

Ruutu (JR gave him a NMC for instance)
Gleason (JR has called him a "core" guy for a few years and he's an A)
Dalpe (JR said last trade deadline that Dalpe wasn't available and wouldn't trade him)
Murphy (JR wouldn't even discuss him last year in the J. Staal trade)

etc...

Doesn't fit my definition of untouchable, but my definition really doesn't count

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06-17-2013, 11:57 AM
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I want Skinner with the ! I line with him and Gallagher on it would be crazzyyy.

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Sorry to burst everyone's bubble, but the untouchable tag has been applied to Gleason, Ruutu and (puke) LaRose in the past. He is likely counting those.

Skinner will only be traded for a young top 4 defenseman. Myers makes sense, but we also aren't including the 5th overall. And Buffalo would have to add; Myers has drastically underachieved.

The Skinner + McBain for M. Staal makes sense. We might even swap out the 5th overall for Skinner (the 5th overall will make much less money over the next three years and could be NHL ready).

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06-17-2013, 11:59 AM
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I was just throwing it out there. As an outside fan, I don't really see the need to deal Skinner now - if he's even on the market.
I agree. My concern is that Rutherford has a history of trading youth for help now and that's what makes me nervous.

Justin Williams for Erik Cole
Andrew Ladd for Tuomo Ruutu
Jack Johnson for Tim Gleason
3 first round picks for Glen Wesley

I think trading Skinner now will be a trade that the Canes will come to regret and in the not too distant future.

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Probably means Skinner is available. Ward? not likely.

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06-17-2013, 12:00 PM
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That's nice, let me know when Myers plays like a top 4 defenseman
This season under Rolston, last season, season before that, season before that.

Let me know when Skinner plays enough games to actually develop.

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I wouldn't say only guy. We have no idea who Rutherford thought was untouchable. For instance, other guys that even though I wouldn't call them untouchable, Rutherford might have considered them as very unlikely to trade:

Ruutu (JR gave him a NMC for instance)
Gleason (JR has called him a "core" guy for a few years and he's an A)
Dalpe (JR said last trade deadline that Dalpe wasn't available and wouldn't trade him)
Murphy (JR wouldn't even discuss him last year in the J. Staal trade)

etc...

Doesn't fit my definition of untouchable, but my definition really doesn't count
Yeah. I was going by my/HF's standard untouchable "definition". I was more getting at the fact that no way in hell we move Ward or Faulk. We all saw what happened to the team when they went down.

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Skinner for Larsson, possibly?

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Staal + for Skinner +

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06-17-2013, 12:02 PM
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One of Skinner or Ruutu won't be with the team come training camp.

I'd bet my house on it.

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06-17-2013, 12:03 PM
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What would Carolina want from Detroit for Ruutu and or Gleason?

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06-17-2013, 12:09 PM
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Skinner + 5 for Giordano + 6 + 67

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06-17-2013, 12:11 PM
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Yea I didn't mean 1 for 1 sorry I should have said that but I meant as the main pieces in a trade.
and I can see it expanding from there.
Maloney did say a week (?) ago that they have a deal to move up in the draft was "on the table". This would make sense for the Coyotes POV. Would hate trading Yandle and wonder if the 'Canes would retain some of Skinner's salary.

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Let me know when Skinner plays enough games to actually develop.
He's missed a total of 24 out of 212 games in his first 3 seasons. 89% of your teams games isn't enough to actually develop?

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One of Skinner or Ruutu won't be with the team come training camp.

I'd bet my house on it.
I'll take that bet lol...I rent!

I'd like something around Buff for Skinner +. I'd go as far to trade firsts with the Canes.

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06-17-2013, 12:13 PM
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Let me know when Skinner plays enough games to actually develop.
2010: Skinner--> 82 games; Myers-->80 games
2011: Skinner--> 64 games; Myers-->55 games
2012: Skinner--> 42 games; Myers-->39 games

You were saying?

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06-17-2013, 12:15 PM
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What would Carolina want from Detroit for Ruutu and or Gleason?
A top 4 defenseman and a 3C (with prospects/picks going either way to balance out value accordingly)

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06-17-2013, 12:15 PM
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Skinner to the Jets!

But man that would cost a lot. I have no idea where to start, as I don't know the Canes needs.

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06-17-2013, 12:18 PM
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I agree. My concern is that Rutherford has a history of trading youth for help now and that's what makes me nervous.

Justin Williams for Erik Cole
Andrew Ladd for Tuomo Ruutu
Jack Johnson for Tim Gleason
3 first round picks for Glen Wesley

I think trading Skinner now will be a trade that the Canes will come to regret and in the not too distant future.
Agreed. Carolina had a crappy year, but they are not a bad team. Injuries can make any team take a swan dive in any given year.

It looks to me that Carolina is kind of sitting pretty. They're going to get one hell of a prospect at #5 and the team already has a ton of talent. As long as they don't suffer a multitude of injuries again next year, they're going to be dangerous.

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06-17-2013, 12:21 PM
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A top 4 defenseman and a 3C (with prospects/picks going either way to balance out value accordingly)
Moving a top 4 defensmen is no problem but the 3rd line center is tricky. Helm is still having health issues and they dont really know what's wrong or how to fix it yet so Detroit cant really afford to move Andersson.

Let's try this then what do you want for just Ruutu?

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