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06-17-2013, 04:58 PM
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I think your math is a little off.
fixed. math was never my strong suit... i'm very left sided hahaha.

i have NO idea why that didn't come across as odd to me whilst typing. apparently mark streit is the new bobby orr.

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i really don't understand why everyone is so angry about this deal. is it a little high? yeah, it is, but it's really not that bad. the free agent market is extremely thin this summer, even with the potential buyout candidates. they felt like they needed to add a veteran puck mover and they did that.

this is also a guy who has 241 points in his last 367 games played (1.5 ppg) and was one of the lone bright spots for the isles in their 6 playoff games (5 points)
I just don't like the extra year. I don't care about how much money he got. He's overpaid by 1.25mil. Big deal. I just to like he +35 contract with the term. The good news is he's a young 35.

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0.67 ppg....

Goodluck with the cap hit Philly.

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All things considered I'd much rather sign Streit to this deal and give up virtually nothing for him than trade one of our good young guys for another dman.

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0.67 ppg....

Goodluck with the cap hit Philly.
what does that have to do with anything

and its not bad, am i drunk or something? why is this such a huge deal?

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Looks like we're already 2.55 mil over the cap...assuming the 10% is based on 64.3 million that still leaves room for a ~4mil contract, which seems unlikely because that ~ is on the - side of the 4; so it would go over by default. If it's still based on 70mil things get a little more nerve racking.

I guess I'll run to the Drano store to stock up, just in case.
10% is based on $64.3m (so $70.73m), but Pronger should count on the cap during the summer as I understand it. Also players that are signed for 2013-2014 or RFA's that are qualified count towards the summer cap proportionally to the # of days they were on the NHL roster during the 2012-2013 season. Even if you don't think they'll be on the opening day roster.


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and LTIR mitigates some if this should it happen.

The whole 35+ thing is really only a big issue if he wants to walk away.

Just last week, everyone was worried about kimmos end, well we have basically extended that window now 3 more years...it's really not that big of a deal.

I'd rather pay ms 5.5 than carle that.

No players traded, no picks dealt...it's a win.
The LTIR thing could be an issue. A straight reading of the CBA implies that the salary of injured players is counted during the offseason. This is based on the CBA 16.11(a) statement that "A Player who finishes an NHL Season on the Injured Reserve List and continues to be injured and unable to perform his duties as a hockey Player by reason of the same injury at the time he reports to the Club's Training Camp in the next League Year, will again be eligible to be placed on the Club's Injured Reserve List.". That implies there is no Injured Reserve list during the offseason, hence no LTIR exception to invoke during the summer.

If that were the case then an LTIR Pronger and Streit would have a combined cap hit larger than the +10% offseason cushion. Which would hamper the Flyers ability to assemble a cap limit team before training camp begins.

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what does that have to do with anything

and its not bad, am i drunk or something? why is this such a huge deal?
It's not. Outsiders seem to think the Flyers are in/will be in cap trouble while Flyers love to overreact to everything.

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I just don't like the extra year. I don't care about how much money he got. He's overpaid by 1.25mil. Big deal. I just to like he +35 contract with the term. The good news is he's a young 35.
If it was three years at the same price I wouldn't have cared at all.

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Know what would be cool? If from here on out, the Flyers could go ahead and develop their own Dmen so this sort of nonsense isn't a nearly annual occurrence.

The usual Flyers offseason is when the organization basically starts whacking away at the UFA Pinata to see which defenseman tumbles out, at which point they immediately overpay them.

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what does that have to do with anything

and its not bad, am i drunk or something? why is this such a huge deal?
It isn't now but it's really going to hurt in 2 years.

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I knew the melts in this thread would be hilarious.

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This is risky as ****, but if we manage to trade Read for Bernier, all of a sudden our team's looking pretty damn good.

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if it was 1 million less, I'm guessing most would be happy. Will 1 million really have THAT much impact?

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Its not a bad deal cause of the $$$ its a bad deal because its a LONG term deal and he is very injury prone.

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Its not a bad deal cause of the $$$ its a bad deal because its a LONG term deal and he is very injury prone.
very injury prone? what are you talking about? he's missed like 30 games in the past 7 years including none in the past 3

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Its not a bad deal cause of the $$$ its a bad deal because its a LONG term deal and he is very injury prone.
Most of us aren't happy with the deal but we don't have to make up things to make it sound even worse.

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Streit's agreement will also include a limited no-trade. He would submit a list of teams he would be willing to move to.

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This is risky as ****, but if we manage to trade Read for Bernier, all of a sudden our team's looking pretty damn good.
Streits gonna be hit in the eye in his 2nd game and be placed on LTIR, ending his career.

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Am I the only one who isn't completely surprised by his number and term? Puck moving defensemen get PAID on the open market. Sure it would be nice if we could develop our own puck movers, but it's not like those guys wouldn't cost a lot to retain either. I mean hell, Dan Boyle is making 6.6 million a year, Brian Campbell is at 7.1, and freakin Matt Carle makes 5.5. There's three examples off the top of my head that are worse. This is what happens in a league where there's a shortage of one type of player. They get overpaid, even if you want to consider this overpayment.

Let's at least the guy get through one year of the deal before we start declaring this the worst contract ever.

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Imagine if Pronger continues to improve and is forced to either play or retire in the next couple of years. It's easy to say his cap hit is covered by LTIR but he wouldn't be the first concussed player to come back.

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Streit's agreement will also include a limited no-trade. He would submit a list of teams he would be willing to move to.
Of course it does.

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Of course it does.
meh

it means nothing

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if it was 1 million less, I'm guessing most would be happy. Will 1 million really have THAT much impact?
Considering his age and the length, it's realistically 2 million more. That's a decent roster player on most teams.

For reference, we signed Pronger to a 4.9 million dollar cap hit when he was 35 and the cap was 59.4 million. That was 8.2% of our cap. Streit is signed for 8.5% of the Flyers cap. Streit is nowhere near as good as Pronger. This is a badddddd contract.

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Considering his age, it's realistically 2 million more. That's a decent roster player on most teams.

For reference, we signed Pronger to a 4.9 million dollar cap hit when he was 35 and the cap was 59.4 million. That was 8.2% of our cap. Streit is signed for 8.5% of the Flyers cap. Streit is nowhere near as good as Pronger. This is a badddddd contract.

Wow.

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Imagine if Pronger continues to improve and is forced to either play or retire in the next couple of years. It's easy to say his cap hit is covered by LTIR but he wouldn't be the first concussed player to come back.
If Pronger passed a physical by the time his deal runs up that would be a miracle.

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