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06-17-2013, 12:12 PM
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STL: Oshie, Stewart, Prospect or Pick

PIT: Letang, Sutter
The Blues have absolutely no need for Letang.

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STL: Oshie, Stewart, Prospect or Pick

PIT: Letang, Sutter
We don't want Letang he's an UFA after the season and wants huge money. The Blues already have Pietrangelo, Shattenkirk and Polak on the right side.

You should look at team needs before offering a team a player they don't need.

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06-17-2013, 12:29 PM
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Now you have Perron, Stewart, Tarasenko, and Ryan all who aren't great defensively to put it nicely; Schwartz who we don't know what to expect in his sophomore season, could be good, but he could slump; and Steen as our top 9 wingers. How do you expect to continue to play the same way we have with 4 of those 6 being liabilities defensively at times?

We do need to upgrade the scoring, but not at the expense of the reason why we are able to play the way we do. We don't need to be loaded with 2-way players, but we need more than the usual amount to be successful.
No offense, but who expects their first two lines to be checking lines? Isn't that the purpose of your 3rd line? Make a 3rd line out of Steen, Sobotka, and Porter. Once again, you can move Perron....and perhaps Perron and Stewart for a playmaking center. The first line checking line sent us packing in the first round. Lost last year too. Try a new system. You have to score goals to beat the other team. Defense wasn't the problem in the playoffs. Scoring was. Are you telling me you would not trade Oshie and a 3rd for Ryan? If you wouldn't, then we have no need to continue this conversation. Sit up in the rafters in your Oshie jersey during the regular season and golf during the playoffs.

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06-17-2013, 12:33 PM
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No offense, but who expects their first two lines to be checking lines? Isn't that the purpose of your 3rd line? Make a 3rd line out of Steen, Sobotka, and Porter. Once again, you can move Perron....and perhaps Perron and Stewart for a playmaking center. The first line checking line sent us packing in the first round. Lost last year too. Try a new system. You have to score goals to beat the other team. Defense wasn't the problem in the playoffs. Scoring was. Are you telling me you would not trade Oshie and a 3rd for Ryan? If you wouldn't, then we have no need to continue this conversation. Sit up in the rafters in your Oshie jersey during the regular season and golf during the playoffs.
Who said anything about checking lines? We are one of the top teams because of our defense and system. We are that good defensively because we get commitment from our forwards to the defensive side. Remember when we were on that awful stretch and getting smoked by other teams? That was because the forwards weren't committed defensively and we tried to open the game up. Even after the moves you proposed, we still won't be on the level of teams who can win with their offense and you took away a big reason why we were so good defensively.

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06-17-2013, 12:38 PM
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I don't know that I've ever seen anyone on these boards consider a trade that wasn't an overpayment working in their teams favor. With that being said, JR isn't Doug Armstrong and generally doesn't get it right anyway. We have plenty of bodies that can replace Oshie's role (Sobotka being one of them). Just seeing what other posters see as his value.
We don't really have anyone that can replace Oshie's role because outside of Schwartz, Oshie is now our best distributor with McDonald gone. We need distributors as much as we need goal scorers. We'd just be creating another hole.

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06-17-2013, 01:21 PM
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Better think twice, STL has a few RFAs a few teams wouldnt mind having on their team. I wouldnt be surprised if they lost one to an offersheet. Im actually surprised that STL didnt lock up these guys early. Is there a reason for this?
Poor decision, if they didn't attempt... Then again, they may have tried unsuccessfully.

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....Thomas Vanek?
I would. Once again, we would add a legit sniper.

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Oshie for Stastny+

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Oshie for Stastny+
Not a chance. Stastny is overpaid and will be a UFA next year. Not to mention he is in the same division. Only way Stastny comes to the Blues in a trade is at the deadline and the Avs are still struggling and just want to get something out of him instead of nothing when he hits UFA, and even then it will only be like a 2nd+mid to low level prospect.

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Yes no one can do exactly what Philly did. but again a team that is strapped for CASH can still be put in a rough spot

Example a Player signs a front loaded contract 14, 14, 9.1, 9.1, 7, 7, 7 though the cap hit maybe be affordable at 9.6 under the cap the ownership may not be able to pay the player an actual 14 Mil for 2 straight years. under the new system is much better for smaller markets but its still possible to bankrupt an organization. I dont recall the number of teams that lost money last year but it was a pretty good bit. i beleive it was 13 teams operated at a loss last FULL year.
There isn't a team out there that would offer that.

If Philly does that, then Giroux demands the same thing and they are screwed.

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06-17-2013, 06:22 PM
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Yes no one can do exactly what Philly did. but again a team that is strapped for CASH can still be put in a rough spot

Example a Player signs a front loaded contract 14, 14, 9.1, 9.1, 7, 7, 7 though the cap hit maybe be affordable at 9.6 under the cap the ownership may not be able to pay the player an actual 14 Mil for 2 straight years. under the new system is much better for smaller markets but its still possible to bankrupt an organization. I dont recall the number of teams that lost money last year but it was a pretty good bit. i beleive it was 13 teams operated at a loss last FULL year.
Pretty sure you can't make $14M then three years later make $7.

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Better think twice, STL has a few RFAs a few teams wouldnt mind having on their team. I wouldnt be surprised if they lost one to an offersheet. Im actually surprised that STL didnt lock up these guys early. Is there a reason for this?
Because the blues were focused during the season and knew they had 24m+ to spend in the offseason.

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LA offers Brown and Vey for Oshie.

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LA offers Brown and Vey for Oshie.
I want Dustin Brown nowhere near this team.

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LA offers Brown and Vey for Oshie.
Would LA really trade Brown?

I'd have to look at Brown's cap and contract, but it looks like a solid deal!

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I want Dustin Brown nowhere near this team.
For his non hit on schwartz?

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LA offers Brown and Vey for Oshie.
Done. No take backs.

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For his non hit on schwartz?
Since you brought that up, you mean the knee and attempted chicken wing right? Yeah that's part of it. He's a dirty, dirty player. I don't want anybody like that on my team. To be clear though, it's not just that play. It's his entire history of being a cheap shot artist.

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I want Dustin Brown nowhere near this team.
Seriously? That's a steal for St. Louis, we make that trade immediately.

I don't like the guy either but Brown on St. Louis would be insane.

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Seriously? That's a steal for St. Louis, we make that trade immediately.

I don't like the guy either but Brown on St. Louis would be insane.
He'a better than Oshie, but he's not THAT much better.

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Since you brought that up, you mean the knee and attempted chicken wing right? Yeah that's part of it. He's a dirty, dirty player. I don't want anybody like that on my team. To be clear though, it's not just that play. It's his entire history of being a cheap shot artist.
Entire history? You mean the 4-5 questionable hits he's had in his entire career right? This guy's no Matt Cooke. He plays hard and sometimes misses. But hey, if you hate him you hate him.

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Entire history? You mean the 4-5 questionable hits he's had in his entire career right? This guy's no Matt Cooke. He plays hard and sometimes misses. But hey, if you hate him you hate him.
He's had far more than 4-5 questionable hits. He's a dirty player.

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He's had far more than 4-5 questionable hits. He's a dirty player.
He's not. If I'm st. Louis I make that trade.

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I'll bite.

Anaheim:

Bobby Ryan

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TJ Oshie
2nd or 3rd Pick.
I'd probably do this as well.

I adore Oshie, I think he's an animal for his size, with good hands to boot. He also has more years under contract and is cheaper. Ryan is obviously a very good goalscorer, but I'd take Oshie for him.

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I guarantee if someone asks Brown with no cameras if he's dirty, he'll give a smirk. To me there is a difference between regular dirty and reckless dirty, Brown is regular dirty

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