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06-17-2013, 05:42 PM
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Or traded for a conditional 6th pick, then turn into a top 4 defender elsewhere.
I'm sure you could get a conditional pick that goes up if he plays a certain amount of games or gets a certain amount of points.

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Or traded for a conditional 6th pick, then turn into a top 4 defender elsewhere.
Ehhhh I'm OK with that. His cap hit is high, and he's a proven injury risk. Gus is much cheaper and we need to learn how to develop Dmen from within anyways.

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Gus is not getting moved after what he did in the WC. I bet the plan was to use Streit as a stopgap. Finally make Gus a regular in the lineup while that franchise defenseman we draft this years takes time to develop in the lower leagues. Instead of trading away Schenn or Couts for that dman. I can only hope.

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I'm fine with this contract, Streit will be good.

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Andddd we see what happens when we dont develop our own defenders.

How about, for once, we draft a defender and develop him.

Check the other thread, apparently we're ok in this area. Nothing to worry about.

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I've given up on him ever playing again but there's still a very small chance he passes a physical and walks away taking us off the hook before his deal runs up.
It's an age 35+ contract, his cap hit stays even if he walks/retires. That would be an even worse outcome for the Flyers if it happened since they couldn't use LTIR on him then.

Then again if Wang's still around maybe he'd trade for him.

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So he's not gonna be a bad player 3 years from now, but 4 years from now he will?

Some of you guys I dont understand. I could see people being pissed if they were expecting a 3 year contract and he got a 5 year contract. But a 4 instead of a 3 is just trivial.

IMHO there's nothing wrong with this if he can be a good player for us through 3-4 years. And since we have the ability to trade him, if management starts to see him slip in years 2-3-4, I'm sure a trade will be doable to get him off the books.

He's a good addition to our club. Period.
But most people don't think he'll be a good player even 3 years from now, it's just that we were willing to stomach 3 years if that was the cost of signing him. 4 years is much harder to take.

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06-17-2013, 05:52 PM
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Check the other thread, apparently we're ok in this area. Nothing to worry about.
If they draft d heavily in the first 3 rounds for the next few yrs absolutely there's nothing to worry about.

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06-17-2013, 05:58 PM
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It's an age 35+ contract, his cap hit stays even if he walks/retires. That would be an even worse outcome for the Flyers if it happened since they couldn't use LTIR on him then.

Then again if Wang's still around maybe he'd trade for him.
Yeah I completely wasn't thinking that but there will always be cheap owners in the NHL so it could actually benefit us more than hurt us.

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Check the other thread, apparently we're ok in this area. Nothing to worry about.
No ever said it was fine. You're argument of using drafts from 20 years ago when probably a good amount of our FO and scouting department wasn't even here at that time was silly. Most said they would like for Homer to hold onto these picks and actually draft some defensemen in the first three rounds before they concede into this whole "the Flyers can't develop defensemen" theory.

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06-17-2013, 06:03 PM
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I don't think it's nearly as bad as people are making it out to be. I don't think the 5.25 is bad, but I would have preferred 3 years, but hey what can you do. Besides who knows where the cap will be in 3 years it could be up at 75 million for all we know

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06-17-2013, 06:09 PM
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buyouts coming shortly to fit him in? deal is not done yet.

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06-17-2013, 06:11 PM
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buyouts coming shortly to fit him in? deal is not done yet.
They can't officially announce until the playoffs are over but most seem to think that Bryz and Briere get the axe.

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Considering his age and the length, it's realistically 2 million more. That's a decent roster player on most teams.

For reference, we signed Pronger to a 4.9 million dollar cap hit when he was 35 and the cap was 59.4 million. That was 8.2% of our cap. Streit is signed for 8.5% of the Flyers cap. Streit is nowhere near as good as Pronger. This is a badddddd contract.
It's not really fair to compare it to the cap circumventing deal Pronger got, the likes of which have been outlawed.

But it should have only been three years. Holmgren is putting the long term cap health of the team in jepoardy just to keep his job.

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06-17-2013, 06:26 PM
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Jeez some of you are impossible to please. All year long we complain about the team's lack of a puck moving defenseman. When they finally acquire one without moving any major pieces, you still have something to complain about. So they signed him for a year longer than we wanted, so what? That's the price that we, and any other team was gonna have to pay.

Our team is better because of this. Be happy.

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06-17-2013, 06:29 PM
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Considering his age and the length, it's realistically 2 million more. That's a decent roster player on most teams.

For reference, we signed Pronger to a 4.9 million dollar cap hit when he was 35 and the cap was 59.4 million. That was 8.2% of our cap. Streit is signed for 8.5% of the Flyers cap. Streit is nowhere near as good as Pronger. This is a badddddd contract.
To be fair Pronger's contract was also 3 years longer, if it was a 4 year term like Streit's it would have been a much higher cap hit. That said, I don't like the contract. The money isn't horrible, but that extra year could be a killer.

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Streit should be required to wear a visor if he doesn't already.

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If the alternative was paying big for a top-4 defender (Couturier/B. Schenn++) then I am happy. Don't care much for the contract but with Kimmo leaving next season Streit is basically just a replacement for him. Solid puckmover, hope the deal doesn't end up like Tomas Kaberle's, which is basically worst case scenario IMO.

Briere ($6.5) + Bryz ($5.7) + Meszaros? ($4.0) + Pronger on LTIR ($5)
= $21.2, $17.2 if Meszaros isn't moved

#1 Timonen
#2 L. Schenn
#3 Streit
#4 Coburn
#5 Grossmann
#6 Meszaros/Gustafsson

Much improved if they can stay healthy. Luke Schenn and Gustafsson are the wildcards as if they continue to elevate their games we could have a pretty good defense.

No doubt there will be a lot of negativity around the team and Holmgren, which is a shame. Not sure why people have to be so negative all the time about something made for entertainment and has no real effect on people's lives...

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06-17-2013, 06:36 PM
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Streit should be required to wear a visor if he doesn't already.

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06-17-2013, 06:37 PM
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I dont care about the amount, but the length is the important factor. Should have been a 3 yr deal.

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06-17-2013, 06:41 PM
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I think the Flyers will survive this contract. It is by no means a good contract, but it also isn't as bad as many are making it out to be. There is some risk in the four year deal. No doubt about it. But there is also the potential for reward. I'm fine with the contract. Lets see what happens at the draft.

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06-17-2013, 06:43 PM
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That cap hit is so ****ing bad. I figured it'd be a 2 year contract, 3 at MOST at 5 million, not 4.

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Sergei Gonchar got a two year contract at $5m and he's 39. There was no way Streit would take a two year deal in Philly when New York already offered him three years at $4.75m.

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very injury prone? what are you talking about? he's missed like 30 games in the past 7 years including none in the past 3
I guess you missed this in Streit's profile:

2011/04/10 -- Missed all 82 games of the regular season (left shoulder injury).

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