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06-17-2013, 03:56 PM
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Ok I'll just let it go. Apparently we are really good at drafting defensemen and have a bunch of all stars in waiting. I think the goalie draftees are even better. Way to go Flyers! Keep up the good work.
we don't have any high picks, that's the problem. Of the few high picks we have made over the last 5 years, all of them (not Laughton) are playing in the league. That is better than some can say.

I can't fault homer for what happened before he was GM.

I think he will draft whoever he thinks is best, which is a philosophy I agree with.

A poster named appleyard did some analysis showing that like 5% of 3rd round picks play more than 200 games in the NHL. Not good to build your farm around 3rd rounders and below.

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06-17-2013, 05:56 PM
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Friedman: Kings G Jonathan Bernier is switching agents to Pat Brisson. Among Brisson's clients are Mark Streit, who just signed with Philly, and...

Claude Giroux, who is working on an extension there. Get ready for some Flyers rumours with Bernier.
6:42pm - 17 Jun 13

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06-17-2013, 06:14 PM
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The best scenario is to go in with a Mason/Bernier tandem and the winner is the starting goalie. It will make me happy because these are two young goalies with starting potential and competition brings out the best.

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06-17-2013, 06:21 PM
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The best scenario is to go in with a Mason/Bernier tandem and the winner is the starting goalie. It will make me happy because these are two young goalies with starting potential and competition brings out the best.
Well Kings fans are expecting the moon for Bernier (like top prospects/young players and high draft picks). I'm fairly confident this will be one of those situations where one fanbase will be pretty disappointed when the day actually comes.

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06-17-2013, 06:26 PM
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Well Kings fans are expecting the moon for Bernier (like top prospects/young players and high draft picks). I'm fairly confident this will be one of those situations where one fanbase will be pretty disappointed when the day actually comes.
The thing HFboards doesn't understand is young goalies don't get very high returns. They think somehow they will get a potenti high end forward when that is not how it works.

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06-17-2013, 06:30 PM
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The thing HFboards doesn't understand is young goalies don't get very high returns. They think somehow they will get a potenti high end forward when that is not how it works.
Yup, for some reason most of them think Lombardi holds all the cards for a big time return. I don't see them doing much better than Read and a pick.

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06-17-2013, 06:33 PM
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Yup, for some reason most of them think Lombardi holds all the cards for a big time return. I don't see them doing much better than Read and a pick.
Teams could just wait and offer sheet him.

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Teams could just wait and offer sheet him.
They claim Lombardi would match any offer that doesn't net them at least a 1st and 3rd compensation TIFWIW.

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They claim Lombardi would match any offer that wouldn't net them at least a 1st and 3rd compensation.
Yeah all that would do is make Bernier a disgruntled player. They don't need that. They also need to sign other players. Dean Lombardi is a smart guy and he knows this.

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They claim Lombardi would match any offer that doesn't net them at least a 1st and 3rd compensation TIFWIW.
I don't know too much about Bernier other than people have been clammoring about him for a while on this board. Is he worth a 1st and 3rd?

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06-17-2013, 06:44 PM
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I don't know too much about Bernier other than people have been clammoring about him for a while on this board. Is he worth a 1st and 3rd?
Catlike reflexes. He has the potential to be that guy who can win a game all by himself. He also can play the puck like a boss(something that is unappreciated as it helps the defense not get forechecked to death like ours has for along time). Havent had a goalie could handle the puck since Hextall. We finally got one in Mason but Bernier is just better with a higher upside. Yes he's worth it.

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06-17-2013, 06:47 PM
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I don't know too much about Bernier other than people have been clammoring about him for a while on this board. Is he worth a 1st and 3rd?
Nope. If he was, he would be playing elsewhere already

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06-17-2013, 06:49 PM
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Nope. If he was, he would be playing elsewhere already
Depends on the first. A low one yes. A high first? Hell no.

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Yeah all that would do is make Bernier a disgruntled player. They don't need that. They also need to sign other players. Dean Lombardi is a smart guy and he knows this.
When you think Bernier can net you the return of players like Yakupov, Eberle, MPS, Couturier, Niño etc. I don't think there's much logic behind anything.

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Canucks fans and their proposals of Luongo to the Flyers. Can't believe they still think they can trade him with that awful contract and still get good value for it.

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Nope. If he was, he would be playing elsewhere already
I think he's closer to a Bob return than a Varlamov return like most seem to think on the main boards. Just because the Avs totally botched that doesn't mean other teams will make that mistake.


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06-17-2013, 06:59 PM
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I fully expect Bernier to be a flyer by July 5th.

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06-17-2013, 07:03 PM
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For what it's worth. A wedding this past weekend, Kyle brodziak was there....

He was asked ( by what may or may not have been me ) what teams he would like to play for if the opportunity came about.... His answer : the flyers. He had no idea I was a flyers fan.

How do we get him

Edit: I know he is under contract, didn't know amount tho

Edit 2: I'd be willing to NOT being back gags and bring him in.

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06-17-2013, 07:06 PM
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Since Streit is signed, how about we bought out Bryz and Briere, trade Read for Bernier and then look like this:

CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.750m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)
Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Wayne Simmonds ($3.975m)
Simon Gagne ($2.250m) / Scott Laughton ($1.107m) / Jason Akeson ($0.900m)
Zac Rinaldo ($0.750m) / Maxime Talbot ($1.750m) / Tye McGinn ($0.775m)
Jay Rosehill ($0.675m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.000m) / Luke Schenn ($3.600m)
Mark Streit ($5.250m) / Braydon Coburn ($4.500m)
Nicklas Grossmann ($3.500m) / Erik Gustafsson ($1.000m)
Chris Pronger ($4.941m) /
Bruno Gervais ($0.825m) /
GOALTENDERS
Jonathan Bernier ($2.500m)
Steve Mason ($1.500m)
OTHER
Buyout: Oskars Bartulis ($0.100m)
Buyout: Danny Briere ($0.000m)
Buyout: Ilya Bryzgalov ($0.000m)
------
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,133,095; BONUSES: $2,960,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $4,126,905

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Since Streit is signed, how about we bought out Bryz and Briere, trade Read for Bernier and then look like this:

CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.750m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)
Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Wayne Simmonds ($3.975m)
Simon Gagne ($2.250m) / Scott Laughton ($1.107m) / Jason Akeson ($0.900m)
Zac Rinaldo ($0.750m) / Maxime Talbot ($1.750m) / Tye McGinn ($0.775m)
Jay Rosehill ($0.675m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.000m) / Luke Schenn ($3.600m)
Mark Streit ($5.250m) / Braydon Coburn ($4.500m)
Nicklas Grossmann ($3.500m) / Erik Gustafsson ($1.000m)
Chris Pronger ($4.941m) /
Bruno Gervais ($0.825m) /
GOALTENDERS
Jonathan Bernier ($2.500m)
Steve Mason ($1.500m)
OTHER
Buyout: Oskars Bartulis ($0.100m)
Buyout: Danny Briere ($0.000m)
Buyout: Ilya Bryzgalov ($0.000m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,133,095; BONUSES: $2,960,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $4,126,905
Looks pretty thin on the wings. If Read is traded for Bernier, I'm sure we'll go for some UFA wing depth. I'd hope for Ryder. I think we'll actually go for someone like Ryder even if we keep Read.

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06-17-2013, 07:27 PM
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I don't think coots is ready for second line center just yet and two rookies in Akeson and Laughton I third line?!?! We are way too young. We need a grizzly vet or two up front. I'd rather trade 2nd round pick then read. I really feel like trading Read would be a huge mistake. On the level of Sharp. Raymond and Clutterbuck as ufas interest me. Brodzaik would be a very solid pickup but he's signed and is important piece in minny.

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06-17-2013, 07:31 PM
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Coburn + 11th overall for 5th overall + 35th overall?

I'm not really for trading Coburn but we could land an NHL ready player with the 5th overall pick and package the 35th + 41st to move back into the first and take a defensemen.
The only way I would move coburn for a first round pick is if we keep our first rounder. But if coburn plus our second and maybe a ahl player gets the fifth pick I would do it. Don't know if that is enough value tho. Also coburn straight up for a top 15-20 pick if a guy like morin is still there I would definitely do it. I know Coburn is a valuable piece for us this season but if we could get one of nurse monahan or lindholm and one of morrisey pulock etc its a no brainer. Or if we could get two of morrisey pulock ristolainen morin, etc.. It is a done deal in my mind. We need to stock up on quality prospects and this seems like the perfect draft to do it. Other wise keep coburn and our first and pick bpa

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I don't think coots is ready for second line center just yet and two rookies in Akeson and Laughton I third line?!?! We are way too young. We need a grizzly vet or two up front. I'd rather trade 2nd round pick then read. I really feel like trading Read would be a huge mistake. On the level of Sharp. Raymond and Clutterbuck as ufas interest me. Brodzaik would be a very solid pickup but he's signed and is important piece in minny.
Only problem with clutterbuck is that I think he is still and RFA. Correct me if I am wrong. I think he would look great on the third line next to Couts or Laughton but we really don't need to be giving up anymore picks/assets.

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The only way I would move coburn for a first round pick is if we keep our first rounder. But if coburn plus our second and maybe a ahl player gets the fifth pick I would do it. Don't know if that is enough value tho. Also coburn straight up for a top 15-20 pick if a guy like morin is still there I would definitely do it. I know Coburn is a valuable piece for us this season but if we could get one of nurse monahan or lindholm and one of morrisey pulock etc its a no brainer. Or if we could get two of morrisey pulock ristolainen morin, etc.. It is a done deal in my mind. We need to stock up on quality prospects and this seems like the perfect draft to do it. Other wise keep coburn and our first and pick bpa
I don't think you're getting the 5th overall pick for Coburn as the center pieces.

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I don't think coots is ready for second line center just yet and two rookies in Akeson and Laughton I third line?!?! We are way too young. We need a grizzly vet or two up front. I'd rather trade 2nd round pick then read. I really feel like trading Read would be a huge mistake. On the level of Sharp. Raymond and Clutterbuck as ufas interest me. Brodzaik would be a very solid pickup but he's signed and is important piece in minny.
Yea. I know he is a key piece in minny. But it would be nice to have him here.

I would like to see on our 3rd line - if we don't keep/retain gags - a big wing who can play in a more d minded role but also chip in on the offence. Clutterbuck would be sweet but I don't feel as a 3rd liner he will/can produce O

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