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06-17-2013, 07:54 PM
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Isles fan here:

Here is what Streit is right now:

Positives

- Smart puck mover
- Good shot from the point on the PP
- Sees the ice very well
- Good guy in the room

Negatives:

- Has slowed down tremendously. Pitt forwards regularly beat him to the puck / spot in the playoffs
- Virtually no physical presence - in front of the net or corners
- Defensive positioning is poor. Combination of slowing down and and not being able to compete physically, especially since the injury two years ago.

Here is what it is going to take to sign him: 4 yrs min (Isles offered 3) in the range of
$20-22MM (Isles offered close to $15MM).

Bottom line: Play him on the PP and not more than 12-14 mins per night, you will be fine. He CANNOT play top 4 mins anymore. By the end of the playoffs, he was on the 3rd pair for the Isles, QB ing the PP. That is where he belongs and is most effective.

See above re: contract terms. Pretty much what I thought. This contract will not be good maybe as early as the second part of NEXT YEAR.....

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Sergei Gonchar got a two year contract at $5m and he's 39. There was no way Streit would take a two year deal in Philly when New York already offered him three years at $4.75m.
Then you don't sign him.

Does Streit make us a cup contender next season? No. So what's the point? He is just going to decline each year.

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06-17-2013, 07:59 PM
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See above re: contract terms. Pretty much what I thought. This contract will not be good maybe as early as the second part of NEXT YEAR.....
So Matt Carle 2.0?

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Wow. A 4 year deal. I hope this one doesnt bite our ass.

Now to buy out 2 players so we have space.

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06-17-2013, 08:04 PM
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Then you don't sign him.

Does Streit make us a cup contender next season? No. So what's the point? He is just going to decline each year.
That doesn't help the team either though. It is six of one, half dozen of the other. If he walked the Flyers would still have a big hole to fill. They could have left it open or tried to fill it elsewhere. Would that have been better? I'm not too sure. Maybe Couturier would have been traded for Yandle? Is that better? This is not as bad as people are making it out to be. Certainly not ideal, but the extra year is not the end of the world.

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Then you don't sign him.

Does Streit make us a cup contender next season? No. So what's the point? He is just going to decline each year.
So do nothing until we're "ready to contend"? We'll never be ready to contend with that logic.

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That doesn't help the team either though. It is six of one, half dozen of the other. If he walked the Flyers would still have a big hole to fill. They could have left it open or tried to fill it elsewhere. Would that have been better? I'm not too sure. Maybe Couturier would have been traded for Yandle? Is that better? This is not as bad as people are making it out to be. Certainly not ideal, but the extra year is not the end of the world.

Oh yes it is as bad as people make it out to be. This is a borderline awful deal. The guy had nothing left in the tank in the Pitt series. Good luck playing this guy 16-20 mins a nite

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So Matt Carle 2.0?
Streit has a shot that's more powerful than your grandmother's, so he's a little different than Matt Carle.

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06-17-2013, 08:12 PM
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Now lets be honest. Islander fans are saying Pitt forwards were beating them to the outside? Pitt forwards do this to every team and defense in the league. Stretch passes and speed is what that team is all about. Boston shut them down with a amazing neutral zone defense. Limited their fast break opportunities and made them play a slower game. So can we stop saying Crosby, Malkin, dupuis, and others were Beating him, because they do it to everyone.

Now I will not criticize the contract until he plays. Every player has their downsides and every player has their positives. It's the coaches job to play him in those spots. Streit will also provide leadership for the young defenders and forwards. Something you can't calculate in dollars signs. One major plus is he only played over in the NHL for 8 years, so his body isn't all that bad.

Lets see how he performs before we go apepoop or start drinking drano(looking at you beef). If he sucks then we can all proceed to rip homer and him a new one

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That doesn't help the team either though. It is six of one, half dozen of the other. If he walked the Flyers would still have a big hole to fill. They could have left it open or tried to fill it elsewhere. Would that have been better? I'm not too sure. Maybe Couturier would have been traded for Yandle? Is that better? This is not as bad as people are making it out to be. Certainly not ideal, but the extra year is not the end of the world.
Sometimes the best deals are the ones you don't make. You just have patience until something comes your way.

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Oh yes it is as bad as people make it out to be. This is a borderline awful deal. The guy had nothing left in the tank in the Pitt series. Good luck playing this guy 16-20 mins a nite
Thanks for the info, go worry about your own team.

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Then you don't sign him.

Does Streit make us a cup contender next season? No. So what's the point? He is just going to decline each year.
The point is to make the playoffs and have some cover for when Kimmo retires. I wish it was a three year deal, but it's obvious why Holmgren did whatever he had to to sign Streit. If they miss the playoffs again, he's gone.

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06-17-2013, 08:18 PM
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The point is to make the playoffs and have some cover for when Kimmo retires. I wish it was a three year deal, but it's obvious why Holmgren did whatever he had to to sign Streit. If they miss the playoffs again, he's gone.
Streit isn't going to come close to filling in for Timonen. We better pray the Flyers select the right defender and develop him well.

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06-17-2013, 08:23 PM
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Sometimes the best deals are the ones you don't make. You just have patience until something comes your way.
I'd rather have a GM that takes risks than one that sits on his ass and does nothing.

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Wow, the amount of people overreacting is absolutely terrible. HELLO...This is a Defender who is the Captain of his team. Has anyone seen the market for top defenders the last few years? An Offensive Defensemen, which is what everyone has been wanting...we got him, he's not making 7M a year, and we are still *****ing.

It's just hard to understand sometimes. Form your own opinion after watching him play an actual game and boohoo about the money later. We got a top defender to bridge the gap for the future signed at a little bit of an overpayment and a contract that takes him to 39, but the difference we are talking in terms of what you wanted to pay was jody shelley money. Honestly, who gives a damn.

I'd rather overpay for a guy and actually be able to get out of our own zone rather then having to depend on a guy like Lilja or Foster.

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I'd rather have a GM that takes risks than one that sits on his ass and does nothing.

This. Minus Bob.

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I'd rather have a GM that takes risks than one that sits on his ass and does nothing.
It's not a risk. It's flat out absurd. He gave too much money and too many years to mediocre soon to be 36 year old defender. Where is the upside in that?

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06-17-2013, 08:29 PM
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what does that have to do with anything

and its not bad, am i drunk or something? why is this such a huge deal?
It's not such a huge deal. Homer is just an easy target. Not underservedly so, of course.

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Sometimes the best deals are the ones you don't make. You just have patience until something comes your way.
But again, that could have the same negative effect. There is risk and reward in both. This team was severely lacking a PMD last season. The Flyers got arguably the best PMD on the market (RFAs excluded). Did they overpay? Sure. Is that worse than getting nothing? Maybe, maybe not. You have to take risks. Not every deal is going to be great.

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It's not a risk. It's flat out absurd. He gave too much money and too many years to mediocre soon to be 36 year old defender. Where is the upside in that?
He makes our team better. There's your upside.

Also, we didn't trade Couturier, Schenn, or Read.

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Streit isn't going to come close to filling in for Timonen. We better pray the Flyers select the right defender and develop him well.
We should have been praying for that regardless. Signing Streit actually makes that a little more likely since they will at least have 2 or 3 years to let someone develop.

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Streit + Couturier/Schenn > Yandle or any other option they were looking at. Yes, even at $5.25M/year.

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I know this will change, but it is amusing. Flyers are -$7,802,262 in cap space.

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