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06-17-2013, 09:16 PM
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How does a player who was bumped down to the 3rd pairing make our team any better? We already have a top PP, his presence is redundant. They need a young two way dman.

Also the problem is overpaying for a dinosaur like Streit makes it more difficult to retain all of Giroux, Schenn, Couturier, and Read next season. So he *might* have bought another season with them. Big deal. What's going to happen when he realizes Streit is not the answer similar to the Eminger acquisition several years back? Bad deals beget bad deals.
It's a terrible contract most here admit that but you sound like a poster on the main boards now with this reach.

Read was always a real possibility to leave next year even before this deal. The other three will get resigned assuming they don't get traded (mostly looking at Couturier here).

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06-17-2013, 09:18 PM
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Why Homer...why? Why do the hockey Gods want me to suffer?

I mean, having to buy out Bryz and Briere's awful contracts isn't enough? Or trading away the Vezina winner?

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06-17-2013, 09:23 PM
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Yikes. I was kind of down on Homer after last off season, and this is not a good start to this one.

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Does Homer even negotiate? Seems like everybody gets whatever they want... From Shelley to Bryz, Timonen to Streit.. . An xtra yr? Sure. More money? Absolutely. No-movement clause? You got it!

It's a joke. This team is in trouble as long as Homer is the one giving out contracts.

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I think somebody's slowly and gradually been beating Homer with the stupid stick every time he's about to make a trade or signing and has now had the stupid stick shoved up his butt hole.

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06-17-2013, 09:26 PM
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Why Homer...why? Why do the hockey Gods want me to suffer?
Let it go. You suffer because you're a Flyer fan. That's it. If it's a boring offseason you want, cheer for a team whose GM is too timid to ever make a deal.

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06-17-2013, 09:33 PM
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How does a player who was bumped down to the 3rd pairing make our team any better? We already have a top PP, his presence is redundant. They need a young two way dman.

Also the problem is overpaying for a dinosaur like Streit makes it more difficult to retain all of Giroux, Schenn, Couturier, and Read next season. So he *might* have bought another season with them. Big deal. What's going to happen when he realizes Streit is not the answer similar to the Eminger acquisition several years back? Bad deals beget bad deals.
How is his presence redundant? Name another good PMD defenseman on the Flyers who isn't named Kimmo Timonen. They need someone else on the backend who can move the puck out of the defensive zone until they can get that young, two way defender.

You really think their gonna have problems retaining those players. Giroux is gonna get a huge deal, Read will get a decent payday, but nothing earthshattering. Schenn and Couturier haven't done anything to justify a big contract. Kimmo, Bryz, Briere, and Mez will be off the books by then. They'll have plenty of room.

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06-17-2013, 09:39 PM
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How does he make us better? What?

Um, by replacing Huskins/Lilja/revolving door in the lineup? That's not an improvement?

Sure, we already have Timonen. Now we have two excellent puck movers. Is that supposed to be a problem?

EDIT: I can't get over this. I'm actually laughing. It's like Ottawa saying they don't want Subban because they already have Karlsson. It would be redundant!
This.

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Don't like the $$ or the length, at least we didn't trade Couts or Schenn

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I really wish we could send Gervais packing and just keep Huskins.

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How is his presence redundant? Name another good PMD defenseman on the Flyers who isn't named Kimmo Timonen. They need someone else on the backend who can move the puck out of the defensive zone until they can get that young, two way defender.

You really think their gonna have problems retaining those players. Giroux is gonna get a huge deal, Read will get a decent payday, but nothing earthshattering. Schenn and Couturier haven't done anything to justify a big contract. Kimmo, Bryz, Briere, and Mez will be off the books by then. They'll have plenty of room.
In case you hadn't noticed, the Flyers biggest problem was at ES. Streit doesn't exactly help with that and he is going to continue to decline. They need someone who can carry the play at ES, not a guy who is evolving into more of a PP specialist.

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After next season sign we would have something like this. Briere and Bryz boughtout. Timonen and mez gone and pronger on LTIR. Schenn gets 3 million of actual dollars since his deal right now is mostly bonues. Couts gets 3 million, but could be less. Giroux gets 7.5 and read gets 4. Gustafson will probably sign a two year deal this season for around 1.25 per

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That leaves 11 mil for a 3rd line winger, 4th line winger, two goalies and a defenseman.

That really isnt that bad.

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In case you hadn't noticed, the Flyers biggest problem was at ES. Streit doesn't exactly help with that and he is going to continue to decline. They need someone who can carry the play at ES, not a guy who is evolving into more of a PP specialist.
Who should we have gotten instead

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Who should we have gotten instead
Blum? Ellis?

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In case you hadn't noticed, the Flyers biggest problem was at ES. Streit doesn't exactly help with that and he is going to continue to decline. They need someone who can carry the play at ES, not a guy who is evolving into more of a PP specialist.
He played 20+ minutes a night for the Isles this year. He's not as bad as you're making him out to be. If he can make good passes out of the zone and not turn the puck over, I'll be happy.

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Blum? Ellis?
What picks or players would we have to trade for them

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He played 20+ minutes a night for the Isles this year. He's not as bad as you're making him out to be. If he can make good passes out of the zone and not turn the puck over, I'll be happy.
He turns the puck over more than Matt Carle.

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He turns the puck over more than Matt Carle.
You got a stat to back that up?

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What picks or players would we have to trade for them
Read should get it done for Blum, and I believe less would be required for Ellis.

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And then we have a glaring need for forwards. We would only have 6 proven top 9 forwards

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You got a stat to back that up?
http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.h...tssPlayerStats

http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.h...tssPlayerStats

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Despite Holmgren's musings, Capgeek already has Streit's numbers up.

Reposting a previous line-up with Streit in place, and carrying Pronger's salary and Bryzgalov. All I did was resign Hall and Gagne and keep Laughton in the OHL (my little bugaboo).

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The upside is he makes the team better, now the Flyers have 2 PMD, and 2 QB's on the PP, AND Couts, B+L Schenn are still here so I'm way happy

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And then we have a glaring need for forwards. We would only have 6 proven top 9 forwards
Our forwards look good on paper but didnt produce this year. Schenn, Coots, Hartnell, and they want to ship out Read who actually produced this year, same with JVR year b4.

People putting Schenn on top line with Giroux...dont see that happening.

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In case you hadn't noticed, the Flyers biggest problem was at ES. Streit doesn't exactly help with that and he is going to continue to decline. They need someone who can carry the play at ES, not a guy who is evolving into more of a PP specialist.
And you don't think Streit at ES won't be a step up over Lilja or Lauridsen or Foster or Gervais? Better than Gustafsson and Meszaros, too. Stop comparing him to Timonen. He's not replacing Timonen.

He can log 20+ minutes regularly, and no matter his deficiencies, that helps our D core. Plain and simple.

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He turns the puck over more than Matt Carle.
And so do Boyle, Subban, Carlson, Seabrook, Weber, Chara, etc. etc.

All good puck moving defenders have high turnovers by the nature of the job.

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